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My son bought a Priv Day Travelcard from Baker Street Tube station this
morning and it had 4 yellow arrows at the bottom? Could someone please
tell me what this means, or are all tickets being issued like this.
With a Staff Oyster, havent bought a normal ticket in months!


I went to East London last Friday from Harrow and my ticket had yellow
triangles on the bottom.
And when I returned on Sunday from East London the ticket I brought had
green triangles on. I have noticed that East London seems to have green
triangles. And North West green.
Do any other areas have different colours?
Do they mean anything?
Is it to identify the area the ticket was brought in for gate staff?

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:51:33 +0100, CJG
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Do any other areas have different colours?


I believe it's as follows:

Yellow = West
Red = North
Green = East
Blue = South

Zone 1 stations shouldn't have any triangles.

Do they mean anything?
Is it to identify the area the ticket was brought in for gate staff?


Yup...If you bought, for example, a Zone 2 to 6 Travelcard at
Cockfosters at the Northern end of the Piccadilly, and got to Bow Road,
in the Eastern sector, for example, in less than an hour (Piccadilly
Line to Kings Cross St Pancras, then Hammersmith & City Line) it would
raise suspicion that you had travelled via Zone 1...If, however, you
took over 2 hours, and could give a logical route (e.g. Piccadilly Line
to Finsbury Park, Victoria Line to Highbury & Islington, Silverlink to
Stratford, Docklands Light Railway to Bow Church), you'd be let through.

HTH,

Barry

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"Barry Salter" wrote in message
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Is it to identify the area the ticket was brought in for gate staff?


Yup...If you bought, for example, a Zone 2 to 6 Travelcard at
Cockfosters at the Northern end of the Piccadilly, and got to Bow Road,
in the Eastern sector, for example, in less than an hour (Piccadilly
Line to Kings Cross St Pancras, then Hammersmith & City Line) it would
raise suspicion that you had travelled via Zone 1...If, however, you
took over 2 hours, and could give a logical route (e.g. Piccadilly Line
to Finsbury Park, Victoria Line to Highbury & Islington, Silverlink to
Stratford, Docklands Light Railway to Bow Church), you'd be let through.


I read that and, whilst I understand that in terms of principle the
staff/company ought to be well within their rights, I'd be shocked if they
actually refused passage on such a basis.

Is there a chart of "minimum possible permissible journey times"? (Surely
not.)

K


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I read that and, whilst I understand that in terms of principle the
staff/company ought to be well within their rights, I'd be shocked if
they actually refused passage on such a basis.

If you have a valid ticket. Or a ticket which seems to be valid then you
should be allowed to pass through the gate. No matter how long it took
to travel from your destination.
Rather amusing at Harrow this evening. Peak time. Everyone trying to get
home or somewhere. Both main ticket machines out of order. Only one
person selling tickets (as well as selling tickets to people on the
other side of gates without tickets). Of course there were the legally
required (according to L.U. safety handbook) three L.U. Idle staff by
the ticket gate. And a massive queue for the one open ticket office.
Then some bright spark had the idea to open the manual gate and let
everyone travel for nothing and buy a ticket at their destination. Saved
me 3.40 as there is never anyone to check tickets at the station I was
going to. So cheers London Underground for your incompetence, saved me a
few quid.
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Saved me 3.40 as there is never anyone to check tickets at the station
I was going to. So cheers London Underground for your incompetence,
saved me a few quid.


If you were honest, you could have purchased your ticket from the
machine at your destination - but you decide not to do so and publicly
admit your guilt as well. How odd.

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Rather amusing at Harrow this evening. Peak time. Everyone trying to get
home or somewhere. Both main ticket machines out of order. Only one
person selling tickets (as well as selling tickets to people on the
other side of gates without tickets). Of course there were the legally
required (according to L.U. safety handbook) three L.U. Idle staff by
the ticket gate. And a massive queue for the one open ticket office.
Then some bright spark had the idea to open the manual gate and let
everyone travel for nothing and buy a ticket at their destination. Saved
me 3.40 as there is never anyone to check tickets at the station I was
going to. So cheers London Underground for your incompetence, saved me a
few quid.


Hopefully this is something the new management will change. It is
ridiculous that some staff are not trained to work in the ticket office, or
refill the change in the ticket machines.

At my local station the guy manning the ticket barriers sits in his
'assistance' box with his back to the barriers, completely oblivious to
people with luggage or prams trying to get through the side gate. I once
asked him why the ticket office was shut in the middle of the day. He
replied that the ticket seller 'was busy'. I asked him how he could be busy
with the ticket office shut and the guy shouted at me 'look, i'm doing the
best I can here, we're short staffed' ... at which point he went back to
his box to read his Metro ...


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Dave wrote:
If you were honest, you could have purchased your ticket from the
machine at your destination - but you decide not to do so and publicly
admit your guilt as well. How odd.


Get real. How many people would do that? Just you I think.

Perhaps London Underground have done their sums and *overall*, their
"apparent incompetence" plan of allowing ticket purchase 80% of the time and
not worrying about the 20% that get away gets them more money than paying
people to allow/enfore ticket purchase 100% of the time, so be it. It's
simple economics.


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Cal Nihoni writes
If you were honest, you could have purchased your ticket from the
machine at your destination - but you decide not to do so and publicly
admit your guilt as well. How odd.


Get real. How many people would do that?


So you're dishonest. What else would you steal?

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In message , Dave
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If you were honest, you could have purchased your ticket from the
machine at your destination - but you decide not to do so and publicly
admit your guilt as well. How odd.


And L.U. could have provided enough resources at Harrow to be able to
sell tickets to everyone who needed one.


There were enough resources. They were just doing the wrong things.


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CJG writes
If you were honest, you could have purchased your ticket from the
machine at your destination - but you decide not to do so and publicly
admit your guilt as well. How odd.


And L.U. could have provided enough resources at Harrow to be able to
sell tickets to everyone who needed one.


So if you had a trolley full of shopping at your local supermarket, but
not every single checkout was in operation - would you leave without
paying whilst taking all the goods and claim it was the supermarket's
fault? Or would that be considered theft?

*If* there was absolutely no opportunity for you to purchase a ticket at
your destination, then (and only then) would I say you had a point. If
you had an opportunity to purchase a ticket at your destination, but
chose not to do so simply because there wasn't someone there to *make*
you buy one - that makes you a thief.

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