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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:11:20 +0100, John Rowland wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5031222.stm

Your subject line is a little misleading - there are still hurdles to
clear before it goes ahead.

Agree - perhaps 'West London Tram _planning_ to go ahead'?

The plans are then still subject to the Transport Secretary approval - see
Liverpool, SE Hants etc etc

Paul

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Paul Scott wrote:

The plans are then still subject to the Transport Secretary approval - see
Liverpool, SE Hants etc etc

It's in London - that won't be a problem.
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Chris Johns

"Paul Scott" wrote:

The plans are then still subject to the Transport Secretary approval - see
Liverpool, SE Hants etc etc


The plans are much more likely to gain DfT approval if the DfT does
not have to pay for it. As the West London Tram would be funded by
TfL, the DfT are more likely to approve it than if the money had to
come from their own budget.

Tony Polson wrote:

The plans are much more likely to gain DfT approval if the DfT does
not have to pay for it. As the West London Tram would be funded by
TfL, the DfT are more likely to approve it than if the money had to
come from their own budget.

There is also the the important point that the WLT is a genuine
transport scheme, the purpose of which is to address the need for
improved public transport in a busy established corridor.

In this respect it is markedly different from several of the schemes
that have failed to secure funding, and which were seen as part of
regeneration strategies.

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Tony Polson wrote:

The plans are much more likely to gain DfT approval if the DfT does
not have to pay for it. As the West London Tram would be funded by
TfL, the DfT are more likely to approve it than if the money had to
come from their own budget.

There is also the the important point that the WLT is a genuine
transport scheme, the purpose of which is to address the need for
improved public transport in a busy established corridor.

In this respect it is markedly different from several of the schemes
that have failed to secure funding, and which were seen as part of
regeneration strategies.


Which "several of the schemes" do you mean?

But on another thread, I don't know London well, but one point strikes
me as exemplary: The planners have made great efforts to give their
new route interchange with surface and underground rail. If such
efforts had been consistently made in the past, we would be a lot
better off now.

Michael Bell




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Michael Bell wrote:

The planners have made great efforts to give their
new route interchange with surface and underground rail.

Except where the route crosses the North London Line.

"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Michael Bell wrote:

The planners have made great efforts to give their
new route interchange with surface and underground rail.

Except where the route crosses the North London Line.

Which is where ?
I thought the WL Tram scheme was supposed to
follow the alignt of the [26]07 bus approx
from SBG to Uxbridge. Where does this cross the NLL ?

Mind you, the NLL doesn't seem to interconnect with other
services pretty sensibly anyway. I've always thought there should be a
Northern Line station just underneath Camden Road NLL.

Richard [in SG19]



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Richard M Willis wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Michael Bell wrote:
The planners have made great efforts to give their
new route interchange with surface and underground rail.
Except where the route crosses the North London Line.

Which is where ?
I thought the WL Tram scheme was supposed to
follow the alignt of the [26]07 bus approx
from SBG to Uxbridge. Where does this cross the NLL ?

A few hundred metres south of Acton Central.

Mind you, the NLL doesn't seem to interconnect with other
services pretty sensibly anyway. I've always thought there should be a
Northern Line station just underneath Camden Road NLL.

Too close to Camden Town. There used to be a station called South
Kentish Town between Camden Town and Kentish Town (somewhere near the
junction of Castle Road and Kentish Town Road IIRC), but that was closed
a long time ago.

Some alternative plans drawn up by Arup for the reconstruction of Camden
Town station included a possible underground link from the north end of
the High Barnet branch platforms to Camden Road station - it's not as
far as the walk along the surface.


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Richard M Willis wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in
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Michael Bell wrote:

The planners have made great efforts to give their
new route interchange with surface and underground rail.

Except where the route crosses the North London Line.

Which is where ?

http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll...,0.019956&om=1

Acton Central Station is on the south side of Churchfield Road, unmarked on
this map.

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There is also the the important point that the WLT is a genuine
transport scheme, the purpose of which is to address the need for
improved public transport in a busy established corridor.

And also one where the existing transport was failing. Oldham
Metrolink, for example, would have replaced an entirely adequate (if
not particularly fancy) train service with a tram that would be more
expensive at the point of use (though admittedly require a lower
operating subsidy - but I wonder how long it'd take to even out given
the capital cost of construction?), potentially slower and potentially
of lower capacity.

I think not everyone is unhappy that it didn't go ahead.

Neil