London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
Hi all
I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. Regards David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
Surely the tube planner is as effective as this.
What I want is how best to travel from Tottenham Hale to Camden Town? Simple question? OK so Victoria Line from Tottenham Hale to ?? Kings Cross OR Euston Actually the solution I like the best is to sit in the front carriage of the tube train from TH to Euston. Then use what I call the stairs short cut (right by the front of the train on arrival at Euston) to the bank Branch of the Northern Line. Northenr Line to Camden Town The reverse is similar. Always get a Bank Branch train from camden Town. Sit in the rear most carriage and then at Euston use the short cut stairs (right by the rear carriage) to the Victoria Line Northbound. This saves having to go up to "high level" (which you end up doing if you use a charing cross train) and then down again at Euston. Any other ideas? Martin Underwood wrote: ezusbo wrote in message : Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. Looks good. Maybe you should make it clearer which is the station at which you have to change, by doing one or other of the following: - display the change station in the colours of both lines (left hand side of box in old colour; right hand side in new colour) - repeat the station name: one box in the colour of the old line and then the same name in a box below in the colour of the new line The first suggestion is probably the better one. |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
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London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
Martin Underwood wrote:
ezusbo wrote in message : Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. Looks good. Maybe you should make it clearer which is the station at which you have to change, by doing one or other of the following: - display the change station in the colours of both lines (left hand side of box in old colour; right hand side in new colour) - repeat the station name: one box in the colour of the old line and then the same name in a box below in the colour of the new line The first suggestion is probably the better one. Acknowledged, will try to do that in version 2. I have a day job, so this is only a hobby. Thank you for your input. David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:08:12 +0100, Martin Underwood wrote: ezusbo wrote in message .com: Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. Looks good. Maybe you should make it clearer which is the station at which you have to change, by doing one or other of the following: - display the change station in the colours of both lines (left hand side of box in old colour; right hand side in new colour) - repeat the station name: one box in the colour of the old line and then the same name in a box below in the colour of the new line The first suggestion is probably the better one. I'd prefer the second, but certainly the current position could be confusing to someone not used to the tube. I don't find the integrated map working using Firefox. Hi I tested this using Firefox, so it should work better than IE, in fact. With IE, I could not get the overlays to work properly, whereas they show up correctly in Firefox. I use version 1.5, which version do you have and what problem do you encounter ? David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
wrote:
Surely the tube planner is as effective as this. What I want is how best to travel from Tottenham Hale to Camden Town? Simple question? OK so Victoria Line from Tottenham Hale to ?? Kings Cross OR Euston Actually the solution I like the best is to sit in the front carriage of the tube train from TH to Euston. Then use what I call the stairs short cut (right by the front of the train on arrival at Euston) to the bank Branch of the Northern Line. Northenr Line to Camden Town The reverse is similar. Always get a Bank Branch train from camden Town. Sit in the rear most carriage and then at Euston use the short cut stairs (right by the rear carriage) to the Victoria Line Northbound. This saves having to go up to "high level" (which you end up doing if you use a charing cross train) and then down again at Euston. Any other ideas? Martin Underwood wrote: ezusbo wrote in message : Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. Looks good. Maybe you should make it clearer which is the station at which you have to change, by doing one or other of the following: - display the change station in the colours of both lines (left hand side of box in old colour; right hand side in new colour) - repeat the station name: one box in the colour of the old line and then the same name in a box below in the colour of the new line The first suggestion is probably the better one. That is an awesome suggestion, and to implement it will require knowledge of the station layouts too. I am not sure if this stuff is available on the web though, not to mention the challenge in programming that algorithm into the web page. David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
What I want is how best to travel from Tottenham Hale to Camden Town?
Simple question? snip Then use what I call the stairs short cut (right by the front of the train on arrival at Euston) to the bank Branch of the Northern Line. Northenr Line to Camden Town The reverse is similar. Always get a Bank Branch train from camden Town. Sit in the rear most carriage and then at Euston use the short cut stairs (right by the rear carriage) to the Victoria Line Northbound. This saves having to go up to "high level" (which you end up doing if you use a charing cross train) and then down again at Euston. That's handy, that. On a slightly different note, am I right in thinking that it's a cross-platform interchange for Southbound Victoria/Southbound Bank Branch, and the same for Northbound? -- "For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
On 13 Jun 2006 08:18:11 -0700, "ezusbo"
wrote: Martin Underwood wrote: ezusbo wrote in message : I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. I tried a trip on the program from Waterloo to Shoreditch and it gave a route beautifully. It shows you'll have to keep up the editing too! I'm glad I finally visited Shoreditch on the day it closed - what an atmospheric place. Paul |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:49:22 GMT, "AstraVanMan"
wrote: That's handy, that. On a slightly different note, am I right in thinking that it's a cross-platform interchange for Southbound Victoria/Southbound Bank Branch, and the same for Northbound? You would be correct. It's only really designed for southbound Northern to southbound Victoria and Northbound Victoria to the Northbound Northern Line. Come from the "wrong" direction and you go through Kings Cross twice. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
ezusbo wrote:
That is an awesome suggestion, and to implement it will require knowledge of the station layouts too. I am not sure if this stuff is available on the web though, not to mention the challenge in programming that algorithm into the web page. You could use Roger Collings' "Way Out Tube Map" (printed, at bookstores) for reference, which actually gives the ordinal number of the carriage next to the exit or interchange for each station. But I doubt that would be fair use of the map data unless you asked the publisher or checked for yourself throughout the network. According to the map, taking the 2nd carriage on southbound Victoria line trains is even closer to the exit at Euston ... Regards, Johannes |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
In message , Paul Llanberis
writes I tried a trip on the program from Waterloo to Shoreditch and it gave a route beautifully. It shows you'll have to keep up the editing too! I'm glad I finally visited Shoreditch on the day it closed - what an atmospheric place. I was able to call in at the end of a busy day, too. (I'd only ever used the station once before.) There was a lovely relaxed atmosphere there, with photographers good-humouredly exchanging words with staff and a slight party atmosphere. It was like some of the nicer aspects of the Routemaster farewell days without the slightly frenetic feeling that went with some of them! -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Paul Llanberis writes I tried a trip on the program from Waterloo to Shoreditch and it gave a route beautifully. It shows you'll have to keep up the editing too! I'm glad I finally visited Shoreditch on the day it closed - what an atmospheric place. I was able to call in at the end of a busy day, too. (I'd only ever used the station once before.) There was a lovely relaxed atmosphere there, with photographers good-humouredly exchanging words with staff and a slight party atmosphere. It was like some of the nicer aspects of the Routemaster farewell days without the slightly frenetic feeling that went with some of them! -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk Shoreditch closed ? I just had it reliably from this guy sitting opposite me who lives in Shoreditch that they are only closing the rail one, the underground version is being built which will be on the East London line. So if I wait long enough, my route finder will be relevant again :-) David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
ezusbo wrote: Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. An interesting idea. I tried Warren Street to Euston Square . The fastest route between these two is on foot, but the planner suggested three routes - one from WS to KCSP (Victoria line) then Circle to Euston Sq. That one is vaguely sensible. The others routes were Warren Street to Victoria, then clockwise on the circle to ES, or northern line to Embankment, then clockwise to ES. Can I assume that where a journey can be done with only one change it will go for that even if it is much longer than a journey involving two or more changes? Simon |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
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London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
wrote:
ezusbo wrote: Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. An interesting idea. I tried Warren Street to Euston Square . The fastest route between these two is on foot, but the planner suggested three routes - one from WS to KCSP (Victoria line) then Circle to Euston Sq. That one is vaguely sensible. The others routes were Warren Street to Victoria, then clockwise on the circle to ES, or northern line to Embankment, then clockwise to ES. Can I assume that where a journey can be done with only one change it will go for that even if it is much longer than a journey involving two or more changes? Simon Hi Simon This is correct. The route finder is optimised for the least number of stops. It makes the assumption that we do not like changing, as it involves walking between platforms. Sometimes this gives you the optimal route, sometimes it does not. This is why I offer you the top three routes to choose from. However, the system at the moment does not have the knowledge about the short walk between Warren Street and Euston Square, or Lancaster Gate to Paddington, or Wimbledon to South Wimbledon etc. I am working on it ... :-) David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
Paul Weaver wrote: wrote: An interesting idea. I tried Warren Street to Euston Square . The fastest route between these two is on foot, but the planner suggested three routes - one from WS to KCSP (Victoria line) then Circle to Euston Sq. That one is vaguely sensible. Whit City to Hammersmith, correct route is walk all the way, or the 72 or 220 bus, but aside from that, you can walk to shepherds bush H&C, then 2 stops, or avoiding walking at all, go via Ealing or Notting Hill (cheaper via ealing, x-platform at acton town if theres a picc. waiting) The routes given were firstly backwards (Hammersmith at the top). First one was via Ealing, great. Second one via Holborn, and the third was via H&C to Liverpool Street! It can support 3 lines though, Amersham to New Cross for example. Be nice if it included instructions of where to stand, connection times, limited services, and take all that into aco**** when route-finding Taken on board, will try to improve it for the future, but it will take me a bit of time to catch up with TFL :-o In order to incorporate Rail, buses, walks and exit locations, I need information on how to source them from the public domain, as I can not afford the royalty for something I am offering for free. Does anyone know where I can get them from ? David |
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London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
"ezusbo" wrote in message In order to incorporate Rail, buses, walks and exit locations, I need information on how to source them from the public domain, as I can not afford the royalty for something I am offering for free. Does anyone know where I can get them from ? Why not have a place on the web site where visitors can voluntarily fill in the gaps on this sort of thing, or at least have the ability to provide messages like "XXX is not the best place to change between AAA and BBB; use ZZZ instead, as the former has platform predictability problems". If you get enough people corroborating those things, you can use them to optimise the way your engine finds "appropriate" routes. Richard [in SG19] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
Richard M Willis wrote: "ezusbo" wrote in message In order to incorporate Rail, buses, walks and exit locations, I need information on how to source them from the public domain, as I can not afford the royalty for something I am offering for free. Does anyone know where I can get them from ? Why not have a place on the web site where visitors can voluntarily fill in the gaps on this sort of thing, or at least have the ability to provide messages like "XXX is not the best place to change between AAA and BBB; use ZZZ instead, as the former has platform predictability problems". If you get enough people corroborating those things, you can use them to optimise the way your engine finds "appropriate" routes. Richard [in SG19] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com OK, another fantastic idea. Give me a couple of days and I will at least add the "shorter to walk" alternatives and the "Have your say" forums for each route. David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
ezusbo wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote: In order to incorporate Rail, buses, walks and exit locations, I need information on how to source them from the public domain, as I can not afford the royalty for something I am offering for free. Does anyone know where I can get them from ? If you can come up with an storage format, something like below, you could get people to fill it in gradually, and have people collaberate it. Basically for every station have a list of lines with directions (i.e. 6 entries for Oxford Circus), and exits (numbers, destinations etc) and how they connect to every other line and exit. STATION: Charing Cross FROM: Bakerloo Line South TO: Charing Cross Station Exit EXIT: First carriage TIME: 2 min STATION: Charing Cross FROM: Bakerloo Line South TO: Trafalger Squate Station Exit EXIT: First carriage TIME: 2 min STATION: Oxford Circus FROM: Central Line East TO: Bakerloo Line South EXIT: Last carriage TIME: 2 min STATION: Oxford Circus FROM: Central Line East TO: Bakerloo Line North EXIT: Last carriage TIME: 3 min STATION: Oxford Circus FROM: Central Line East TO: Victoria Line South EXIT: Last carriage TIME: 2 min STATION: Oxford Circus FROM: Central Line East TO: Victoria Line North EXIT: Last carriage TIME: 3 min STATION: Oxford Circus FROM: Bakerloo Line North TO: Central Line East EXIT: 3rd carriage from end TIME: 2 min STATION: Oxford Circus FROM: Bakerloo Line North TO: Central Line West EXIT: 3rd carriage from end TIME: 2 min STATION: Oxford Circus FROM: Bakerloo Line North TO: Victoria Line North EXIT: Cross platform |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
wrote: On 13 Jun 2006 08:20:56 -0700, ezusbo wrote: wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:08:12 +0100, Martin Underwood wrote: ezusbo wrote in message .com: Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. ........... I don't find the integrated map working using Firefox. Hi I tested this using Firefox, so it should work better than IE, in fact. With IE, I could not get the overlays to work properly, whereas they show up correctly in Firefox. I use version 1.5, which version do you have and what problem do you encounter ? That's odd, David. When using Firefox 1.5.0.4 I get a pop-up with geometric designs and mainly blank squares. This is very odd, can you access http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.518811,-0.082119 ? (it should bring up Liverpool Street Station). I am simply passing the map rendering bit to Google, and this has been known to work pretty well on most browsers. Does anyone else using this site have this problem on Firefox too ? David |
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David Tran wrote:
wrote: I don't find the integrated map working using Firefox. I am simply passing the map rendering bit to Google, and this has been known to work pretty well on most browsers. Does anyone else using this site have this problem on Firefox too ? Nope, work (windows) and home (linux), works fine. 1.5.0.4, sepcifically (home) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060508 Firefox/1.5.0.4 |
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wrote:
On 14 Jun 2006 09:00:34 -0700, David Tran wrote: I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. ........... I don't find the integrated map working using Firefox. Hi I tested this using Firefox, so it should work better than IE, in fact. With IE, I could not get the overlays to work properly, whereas they show up correctly in Firefox. I use version 1.5, which version do you have and what problem do you encounter ? That's odd, David. When using Firefox 1.5.0.4 I get a pop-up with geometric designs and mainly blank squares. This is very odd, can you access http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.518811,-0.082119 ? (it should bring up Liverpool Street Station). It doesn't do so for me :-( - even whitelisting the whole site. Hi Hum Does it work under IE ? If not, then maybe it is your firewall settings, otherwise, I am not sure. As I indicated, I tested this under Firefox, and Paul said in his reply that it works under his Firefox too. Trouble with Google Maps is it uses AJAX technology, and the page source is not accessible to even investigate the problem :-( David |
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ezusbo wrote: Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. An interesting idea. I tried Warren Street to Euston Square . The fastest route between these two is on foot, but the planner suggested three routes - one from WS to KCSP (Victoria line) then Circle to Euston Sq. That one is vaguely sensible. The others routes were Warren Street to Victoria, then clockwise on the circle to ES, or northern line to Embankment, then clockwise to ES. Can I assume that where a journey can be done with only one change it will go for that even if it is much longer than a journey involving two or more changes? Simon I have added the followings "on foot" paths: Warren Street to Euston Square Lancaster Gate to Paddington Bank to Monument Hope you all like walking :-) Any other walking shortcuts you know ? Please let me know. David |
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Martin Underwood wrote:
ezusbo wrote in message : Hi all I have developed a facility which allows you to find out the best routes between two London Underground stations, try searching for it at http://public.ok2life.com/tube/routes. The routes found are colour coded to indicate line changes and National Rail stations where available. There is also integrated Google Maps to show you the surrounding area of each station along the paths found. Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. Looks good. Maybe you should make it clearer which is the station at which you have to change, by doing one or other of the following: - display the change station in the colours of both lines (left hand side of box in old colour; right hand side in new colour) - repeat the station name: one box in the colour of the old line and then the same name in a box below in the colour of the new line The first suggestion is probably the better one. I have sort of implemented the second suggestion, as it is easier to do programatically. Let me know what you think. David |
London Underground route finder for your journey with GoogleMaps
David Tran wrote:
Any other walking shortcuts you know ? Please let me know. http://rodcorp.typepad.com/rodcorp/2..._tube_map.html -- Michael Hoffman |
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ezusbo wrote:
Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. If you choose edgware road circle to pimlico, it doesn't suggest walking to edgware road bakerloo. And Bayswater to Queensway doesn't suggest walking :) I like the station name completion. Tim |
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Tim wrote: ezusbo wrote: Let me know if you have any suggestion/comment for improvement. If you choose edgware road circle to pimlico, it doesn't suggest walking to edgware road bakerloo. And Bayswater to Queensway doesn't suggest walking :) I like the station name completion. Tim I have added walk paths for some, but walking is not always a preferred option for all. Maybe the next version I will add support for opting in or out of walking. Also, a lot of stations around Liverpool Street station are within walking distance of each other anyway :-) David |
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"David Tran" wrote in message I have added walk paths for some, but walking is not always a preferred option for all. Maybe the next version I will add support for opting in or out of walking. Also, a lot of stations around Liverpool Street station are within walking distance of each other anyway :-) Why isn't "walking" "a preferred option for all" ? On the examples quoted at least, the walks underground to change lines are going to be at least as long as the surface walks to an alternative station. Richard [in SG19] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
London Underground route finder for your journey with Google Maps
Richard M Willis wrote: "David Tran" wrote in message I have added walk paths for some, but walking is not always a preferred option for all. Maybe the next version I will add support for opting in or out of walking. Also, a lot of stations around Liverpool Street station are within walking distance of each other anyway :-) Why isn't "walking" "a preferred option for all" ? On the examples quoted at least, the walks underground to change lines are going to be at least as long as the surface walks to an alternative station. Richard [in SG19] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I guess you are right if you live in London. If you are visiting London, surely you put more trust in the Tube system, rather than your sense of direction in the outside world :-) The Google Map popup for each station does show the stations in the vicinity, so I guess the walking option has always been there, in a way. David |
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