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Planned upgrade for rail routes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301610.stm

Plans to upgrade rail services on some of London's busiest commuter
routes have been unveiled.
Network Rail announced a strategy for cross-London rail routes which
included new, longer and more frequent trains.

The move is to meet an anticipated 17% rise in passengers on the routes
over the next 10 years as well as an increase in freight.

Network Rail said the plans would "make the most effective and efficient
use of the capacity on London's railway".

Improvements to signalling, track, bridges and platforms were also put
forward by Network Rail.

The proposals referred to the north London line from Richmond to
Woolwich; the Gospel Oak to Barking line; the west London line from
Willesden to Clapham; and parts of the south London line between
Battersea Park and South Bermondsey.

Network Rail chief executive John Armitt said: "London's orbital routes
face passenger growth... but will also remain a key route for freight
traffic."

In a separate announcement, the Bombardier company said it had been
awarded a UKP223m contract with Transport for London to provide new
electric trains on the East London Line and the North London Railway.

The 100mph Electrostars will be introduced by May 2009.


Related TfL press release:
TfL awards UKP223m new trains contract
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...-releases-cont
ent.asp?prID=882


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Paul G wrote:
Planned upgrade for rail routes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301610.stm

....
In a separate announcement, the Bombardier company said it had been
awarded a UKP223m contract with Transport for London to provide new
electric trains on the East London Line and the North London Railway.

The 100mph Electrostars will be introduced by May 2009.


Is it really sensible/cost-effective to have 100mph capability for
these, rather than modify (presumably re-gear) for better acceleration
- or have a lower-spec traction package? I can't imagine that there's
much chance of the units exceeding 50mph, unless they operate on other
(non-TfL) routes at some point in the future.

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Paul G wrote:
Planned upgrade for rail routes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301610.stm
...
In a separate announcement, the Bombardier company said it had been
awarded a UKP223m contract with Transport for London to provide new
electric trains on the East London Line and the North London Railway.

The 100mph Electrostars will be introduced by May 2009.


Is it really sensible/cost-effective to have 100mph capability for
these, rather than modify (presumably re-gear) for better acceleration
- or have a lower-spec traction package? I can't imagine that there's
much chance of the units exceeding 50mph, unless they operate on other
(non-TfL) routes at some point in the future.


Perhaps it's cheaper that way, as they can just supply another
off-the-shelf electrostar. What is the top speed of a 376? I'm
guessing that is what these trains will end up being.

Robin
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Paul G wrote:
In a separate announcement, the Bombardier company said it had been
awarded a UKP223m contract with Transport for London to provide new
electric trains on the East London Line and the North London Railway.

The 100mph Electrostars will be introduced by May 2009.


Related TfL press release:
TfL awards UKP223m new trains contract
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...-releases-cont
ent.asp?prID=882


So they're getting 24 3-car Electrostars for the North London Railway,
replacing 23 3-car 313s and 3 3-car 508s? That's not much of a capacity
upgrade - some might even call it the opposite.

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What is the top speed of a 376? I'm guessing that is what these trains
will end up being.


IIRC, they're 75mph.




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John B wrote:

So they're getting 24 3-car Electrostars for the North London Railway,
replacing 23 3-car 313s and 3 3-car 508s? That's not much of a
capacity upgrade - some might even call it the opposite.


That was my immediate thought. It's all very wooly and unclear. It certainly
looks as if it's replacement on like-for-like basis *unless* by North London
Railway they mean the North London Line (Richmond to Stratford) on its own,
releasing the current 313s to strengthen Euston to Watford and West London
Line services or increase frequency? One presumes that these new
Electrostars will be 376s with the AC commissioned.


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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
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John B wrote:

So they're getting 24 3-car Electrostars for the North London Railway,
replacing 23 3-car 313s and 3 3-car 508s? That's not much of a
capacity upgrade - some might even call it the opposite.


That was my immediate thought. It's all very wooly and unclear. It

certainly
looks as if it's replacement on like-for-like basis *unless* by North

London
Railway they mean the North London Line (Richmond to Stratford) on its

own,
releasing the current 313s to strengthen Euston to Watford and West London
Line services or increase frequency? One presumes that these new
Electrostars will be 376s with the AC commissioned.

Closure of Stratford to North Woolwich, pending transfer of Stratford -
Canning Town to DLR, and eventual transfer of Custom House - Silvertown to
Crossrail, will release one unit, and presumably better availability of new
units might squeeze another diagram. TfL also hope to extend the Barking -
Gospel Oak service to Clapham Junction, taking over the WLL, and this
implies acquiring a fleet of diesel units (as well as alterations at Gospel
Oak), unless TfL can get someone to pay for wiring Barking to Gospel Oak.
This could release two emu diagrams from the WLL. But the real need on the
NLL is for longer trains, and this requires platform lengthening, notably at
Willesden Junction HL. Options in the procurement from Bombardier presumably
allow for the NLL units to be extended to 4 car.

Peter


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Peter Masson wrote:
TfL also hope to extend the Barking -
Gospel Oak service to Clapham Junction, taking over the WLL, and this
implies acquiring a fleet of diesel units (as well as alterations at Gospel
Oak), unless TfL can get someone to pay for wiring Barking to Gospel Oak.

Electrification of the GOBLIN route is envisaged as part of the opening
of the new Thames Gateway Container Port on the former Shell site in
Thurrock. The governmet approved the port last month. TfL will not
however get a totally free ride on this IIAIC

This could release two emu diagrams from the WLL. But the real need on
the
NLL is for longer trains, and this requires platform lengthening, notably at
Willesden Junction HL. Options in the procurement from Bombardier presumably
allow for the NLL units to be extended to 4 car.

Options in the press release speak of further trains and additional
coaches

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Any idea if these trains will be air conditioned?



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