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Lack of trains on the drain
Hi,
Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them to get out". I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-) Luke |
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wrote in message ps.com... Hi, Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them to get out". I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-) Luke ### There are FIVE trains down the drain. (no pun intended!) The intention being to increase the service with the fifth train, but as this requires 100% availibility don't hold your breath that this will happen every day/week/ever! |
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I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it could
generate revenue. The only other issue I have with the W&C service is, the ventilators on the trains are stuck on "-" which I think means closed! Air con would be nice too (for the platforms and the tunnel), surely a self contained line like this with two stations should be easy enough to do? "Londoncityslicker" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Hi, Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them to get out". I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-) Luke ### There are FIVE trains down the drain. (no pun intended!) The intention being to increase the service with the fifth train, but as this requires 100% availibility don't hold your breath that this will happen every day/week/ever! I'm a daily user of the line. And it's a joke that they can't get this line right. Surely it's the simplest line. Two station. five trains. Backwards and forwards all day. How on earth will they upgrade a whole line. The improvments obviously haven't worked. New signalling not always working. Trains not always working. The refurbished carriages are fine but they weren't too bad anyway. The addition of CCTV of course is welcome but on a small line with mostly high flyers using the service. I can't see crime being a huge issue on the W&C. Bank Station has had a little revamp. A bit brighter. Waterloo doesn;t seemed to have changed much. You would have thought they would fully refurbish and modernise the stations. Bloomberg boards or Reuters tickers would be a great idea for instance. They really missed the opportunity to really improve the stations. |
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vtk wrote: I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it could generate revenue. It would be a lot of money to spend just for the very small minority of people who would give a rats behind about stock prices. Far better to spend it on something thats useful to everyone , not just people on 6 figure salaries (not everyone who works in the Bank area are traders). B2003 |
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I mean provide the space for the likes of Bloomberg and FT etc, and they pay
for the tickers and pay to use the space. "Boltar" wrote in message ups.com... vtk wrote: I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it could generate revenue. It would be a lot of money to spend just for the very small minority of people who would give a rats behind about stock prices. Far better to spend it on something thats useful to everyone , not just people on 6 figure salaries (not everyone who works in the Bank area are traders). B2003 |
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On 22 Sep 2006 10:51:43 -0700, "Boltar"
wrote: vtk wrote: I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it could generate revenue. It would be a lot of money to spend just for the very small minority of people who would give a rats behind about stock prices. Far better to spend it on something thats useful to everyone , not just people on 6 figure salaries (not everyone who works in the Bank area are traders). Obviously they would be paid for by Reuters or one of the other companies with an interest in getting their market data services onto traders' desks, just like all the stuff outside Canary Wharf Jubilee station. Anyway I thought there did used to be some ticker displays on the travelators at Bank, or did I imagine that? |
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On 22 Sep 2006 10:54:57 -0700, "
wrote: As for the trains, I agree with a previous poster: what's the point in fitting C.C.T.V. cameras (if that's what's happened) to these trains, and given that they were relatively new, "overhaul" seems premature to say the least. Marc. I think the overhaul was more about "behind the scenes" or "undercarriage" stuff. These five units having been isolated on the W&C had apparently become very different to the supposedly identical 1992 stock on the Central Line - e.g. I don't think the motor mods that had to be done to the whole Central Line fleet when they started dropping off had ever been done to the W&C stock; and a whole series of similar in-cab and underfloor alterations that had been done to the Central stock meant that the drivers could no longer drive each others' trains. So to enable possible driver rotations in future (because driving the W&C is boring as hell so they want to look at just spending a few months at a time on it), and to keep costs down by applying the same fixes and spares to both sets in future, they had to do a lot of "catching up" work on the W&C stock. Also this project originally was just a track/signalling replacement project that was going to mean a couple of years of medium length disruptions. Metronet put the idea to TfL that if they could close the line for the whole summer, they could do the job quicker and cheaper (they split the expected saving half and half with TfL if I remember rightly) and in to the bargain Metronet said they would do the platform works and lift the trains out for the overhaul now (they would have had to come out in the next five years or so for a heavy overhaul anyway). So it should have been a win-win-win situation for Metronet, TfL, and the passengers too, but unfortunately Metronet seem to have done only a 90% job as usual. |
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Londoncityslicker wrote:
The addition of CCTV of course is welcome but on a small line with mostly high flyers using the service. I can't see crime being a huge issue on the W&C. I suspect the total amount stolen on the line since 1898 is less than the cost of the CCTV... and the limited opening hours must pretty much preclude any violence too. |
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Peter Frimberley wrote:
I think the overhaul was more about "behind the scenes" or "undercarriage" stuff. These five units having been isolated on the W&C had apparently become very different to the supposedly identical 1992 stock on the Central Line - e.g. I don't think the motor mods that had to be done to the whole Central Line fleet when they started dropping off had ever been done to the W&C stock I don't think that last bit is correct..... the W&C was shut for a while when the Central Line was shut. Since it was a safety mod you would expect it to be done on all 92 stock at the same time (even though the ATO largely caused the problem by putting more stress on the brackets than a human driver would). |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:50:28 +0100, Peter Frimberley wrote:
I think the overhaul was more about "behind the scenes" or "undercarriage" stuff. These five units having been isolated on the W&C had apparently become very different to the supposedly identical 1992 stock on the Central Line - e.g. I don't think the motor mods that had to be done to the whole Central Line fleet when they started dropping off had ever been done to the W&C stock; and a whole series of similar in-cab and underfloor alterations that had been done to the Central stock meant that the drivers could no longer drive each others' trains. So to enable possible driver rotations in future (because driving the W&C is boring as hell so they want to look at just spending a few months at a time on it), and to keep costs down by applying the same fixes and spares to both sets in future, they had to do a lot of "catching up" work on the W&C stock. Why didn't they go all the way and install ATO? |
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Peter Frimberley wrote:
So it should have been a win-win-win situation for Metronet, TfL, and the passengers too, but unfortunately Metronet seem to have done only a 90% job as usual. Used it yesterday to have a look, and while Bank station and the trains were looking very slick, Waterloo is still a dump; they haven't removed the old NSE red panelling in places, and the stairway (wouldn't it have been a good time for some accessibility work - or is there a lift already and I haven't seen it?) looked unfinished with metal panels on one side and the old wall on the other. Neil |
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The W&C has been worked off the main Leytonstone depot drivers' rota for years. Also the 1992TS on the W&C was "grounded" along with the main fleet following the Chancery Lane derailment and similarly returned to service after suitable modifications. Although I believe the accessibility "humps" are probably a trial pending installation on the rest of the system, surely the stairs leading from the arrival platform at Waterloo means that disabled travel is only possible in the northbound (officially "eastbound") direction? i.e. you can go from Waterloo to Bank in a wheelchair but never get back! Also wouldn't it have been better the raise the height of all of the platforms (or lower the track) to allow level access throughout? No doubt the disability lobby will soon be claiming discrimination on the grounds that they can only access one set of doors per train. |
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In article . com,
" writes I used the "revamped" service yesterday afternoon, and noticed no discernible difference, save for the raised platform area in the middle at each station. A huge amount of cost and inconvenience for no discernible improvement: as I said on this forum before the work even started! That's the trouble with construction-company-led P.F.I. contracts of this sort: a huge amount of money spent on cosmetic "improvements", Um, it sounds like they *haven't* spent a load of money on cosmetic "improvements". for which huge amounts are paid, rather than the basic service improvement. The basic task was to replace the track and signalling. Shaving seconds off the round-trip time on the line means an extra train or two per hour, increasing the number of passengers that can be carried per hour. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On 25/09/2006 18:34, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article . com, " writes I used the "revamped" service yesterday afternoon, and noticed no discernible difference, save for the raised platform area in the middle at each station. A huge amount of cost and inconvenience for no discernible improvement: as I said on this forum before the work even started! That's the trouble with construction-company-led P.F.I. contracts of this sort: a huge amount of money spent on cosmetic "improvements", Um, it sounds like they *haven't* spent a load of money on cosmetic "improvements". for which huge amounts are paid, rather than the basic service improvement. The basic task was to replace the track and signalling. Shaving seconds off the round-trip time on the line means an extra train or two per hour, increasing the number of passengers that can be carried per hour. Having been unable to use the drain Monday morning (09:00) due to a stalled/failed train at the Waterloo end) I did get my ride home last night, and ride into work this morning on it. As others have said - for 5 months and 2 weeks it looks like a poor job to me. Yes the ride is *much* smoother now (And that's a nice thing) but; The platforms at each end have been given a lick of paint (if that), had the raised area installed (Which is only a decking like surface), and the raised kerbing along the platform edge. The trains are filthy (externally) again - mostly pidgin droppings as before. The clock at the Waterloo end (Departures) is *still* wrong - if I get a spare moment I'll mention it to them tonight on my way home. I'm yet to suffer a signal/TC failure, but give it a week or 2 (I was away when the line reopened) And I'm still waiting for 1 very heavy rain, 2 a thunderstorm to see what happens. All in all for the extra time and hassle it added to my daily trip I'm not that impressed at all. /grumble over/ |
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On 22 Sep 2006 10:54:57 -0700, "
wrote: A huge amount of cost and inconvenience for no discernible improvement: as I said on this forum before the work even started! That's the trouble with construction-company-led P.F.I. contracts of this sort: a huge amount of money spent on cosmetic "improvements", for which huge amounts are paid, rather than the basic service improvement. Who cares what the stations look like cosmetically? Their purpose is for us to spend as little time in them as possible after all! Shows your usual lack of transport knowledge/understanding. Closure of the Drain involved: a) Replacement of all track between stations (not within them) b) Some re-wiring c) Major overhaul of all traind d) Deep clean of stations and platform humps. Many of the things the Tube needs replaced - like new track - are not visibile to passengers but are very expensive and make a big difference. Not replacing/upgrading the track means eventually you can't operate a service. Rob. -- rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk |
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The boastful "Investing in the Tube" posters still displayed on the W&C ysterday still claim "all signals replaced". |
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I wouldnt imagine theres enough room to start a fight!
Rob John Rowland wrote: Londoncityslicker wrote: The addition of CCTV of course is welcome but on a small line with mostly high flyers using the service. I can't see crime being a huge issue on the W&C. I suspect the total amount stolen on the line since 1898 is less than the cost of the CCTV... and the limited opening hours must pretty much preclude any violence too. |
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On 29/09/2006 11:17, Rob wrote:
I wouldnt imagine theres enough room to start a fight! Rob Snip Depends which way you go at what time. I go Bank - Waterloo in the mornings against the flow - and we (usually) have plenty of room and seats to chose from. You do have to watch out for the (sometimes quite big) piles of news papers on the floor (and getting stuck in the doors) and you normally have to open the windows (Since people are still to scared to open windows for some odd reason) - They all pour off at bank hot and smelly on a nice warm day, you get on and wonder why all the windows are closed. Its a shame there is no 'CD'/'RA' down there - Every once in a while I get blocked by the rush of people getting off only to get to a door that closes in my face. Since the drivers still play ping pong there, soon as the back desk is closed the front one is opened and its down to the driver how long he wants to give people to get off/on. Grr |
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