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Hi,

Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the
driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line
caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this
has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them
to get out".

I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-)

Luke


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Hi,

Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the
driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line
caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this
has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them
to get out".

I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-)

Luke

### There are FIVE trains down the drain. (no pun intended!) The intention
being to increase the service with the fifth train, but as this requires
100% availibility don't hold your breath that this will happen every
day/week/ever!


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Hi,

Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the
driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line
caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this
has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them
to get out".

I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-)

Luke

### There are FIVE trains down the drain. (no pun intended!) The intention
being to increase the service with the fifth train, but as this requires
100% availibility don't hold your breath that this will happen every
day/week/ever!


I'm a daily user of the line.
And it's a joke that they can't get this line right.
Surely it's the simplest line. Two station. five trains. Backwards and
forwards all day.
How on earth will they upgrade a whole line.

The improvments obviously haven't worked.
New signalling not always working. Trains not always working.

The refurbished carriages are fine but they weren't too bad anyway.
The addition of CCTV of course is welcome but on a small line with
mostly high flyers using the service. I can't see crime being a huge
issue on the W&C.

Bank Station has had a little revamp. A bit brighter. Waterloo doesn;t
seemed to have changed much. You would have thought they would fully
refurbish and modernise the stations. Bloomberg boards or Reuters
tickers would be a great idea for instance.

They really missed the opportunity to really improve the stations.

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I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it could
generate revenue.

The only other issue I have with the W&C service is, the ventilators on the
trains are stuck on "-" which I think means closed!

Air con would be nice too (for the platforms and the tunnel), surely a self
contained line like this with two stations should be easy enough to do?



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Hi,

Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the
driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line
caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this
has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them
to get out".

I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-)

Luke

### There are FIVE trains down the drain. (no pun intended!) The

intention
being to increase the service with the fifth train, but as this requires
100% availibility don't hold your breath that this will happen every
day/week/ever!


I'm a daily user of the line.
And it's a joke that they can't get this line right.
Surely it's the simplest line. Two station. five trains. Backwards and
forwards all day.
How on earth will they upgrade a whole line.

The improvments obviously haven't worked.
New signalling not always working. Trains not always working.

The refurbished carriages are fine but they weren't too bad anyway.
The addition of CCTV of course is welcome but on a small line with
mostly high flyers using the service. I can't see crime being a huge
issue on the W&C.

Bank Station has had a little revamp. A bit brighter. Waterloo doesn;t
seemed to have changed much. You would have thought they would fully
refurbish and modernise the stations. Bloomberg boards or Reuters
tickers would be a great idea for instance.

They really missed the opportunity to really improve the stations.





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vtk wrote:
I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it could
generate revenue.


It would be a lot of money to spend just for the very small minority
of people who would give a rats behind about stock prices. Far better
to spend it on something thats useful to everyone , not just people
on 6 figure salaries (not everyone who works in the Bank area are
traders).

B2003

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Londoncityslicker wrote:
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Hi,

Last night I was travelling southbound on the Victoria line when the
driver informed us that there were "delays on the Waterloo & City line
caused by, I'm told, a lack of available trains. I'm not sure how this
has happened as there's four down there and there's no track for them
to get out".

I'm assuming the reliability of the trains has not been optimal? :-)

Luke

### There are FIVE trains down the drain. (no pun intended!) The intention
being to increase the service with the fifth train, but as this requires
100% availibility don't hold your breath that this will happen every
day/week/ever!


I'm a daily user of the line.
And it's a joke that they can't get this line right.
Surely it's the simplest line. Two station. five trains. Backwards and
forwards all day.
How on earth will they upgrade a whole line.

The improvments obviously haven't worked.
New signalling not always working. Trains not always working.

The refurbished carriages are fine but they weren't too bad anyway.
The addition of CCTV of course is welcome but on a small line with
mostly high flyers using the service. I can't see crime being a huge
issue on the W&C.

Bank Station has had a little revamp. A bit brighter. Waterloo doesn;t
seemed to have changed much. You would have thought they would fully
refurbish and modernise the stations. Bloomberg boards or Reuters
tickers would be a great idea for instance.

They really missed the opportunity to really improve the stations.


I used the "revamped" service yesterday afternoon, and noticed no
discernible difference, save for the raised platform area in the middle
at each station.

A huge amount of cost and inconvenience for no discernible improvement:
as I said on this forum before the work even started! That's the
trouble with construction-company-led P.F.I. contracts of this sort: a
huge amount of money spent on cosmetic "improvements", for which huge
amounts are paid, rather than the basic service improvement. Who cares
what the stations look like cosmetically? Their purpose is for us to
spend as little time in them as possible after all!

As for the trains, I agree with a previous poster: what's the point in
fitting C.C.T.V. cameras (if that's what's happened) to these trains,
and given that they were relatively new, "overhaul" seems premature to
say the least.

Marc.

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I mean provide the space for the likes of Bloomberg and FT etc, and they pay
for the tickers and pay to use the space.

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vtk wrote:
I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it

could
generate revenue.


It would be a lot of money to spend just for the very small minority
of people who would give a rats behind about stock prices. Far better
to spend it on something thats useful to everyone , not just people
on 6 figure salaries (not everyone who works in the Bank area are
traders).

B2003



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On 22 Sep 2006 10:51:43 -0700, "Boltar"
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vtk wrote:
I definitely like the idea of having tickers at the station, and it could
generate revenue.


It would be a lot of money to spend just for the very small minority
of people who would give a rats behind about stock prices. Far better
to spend it on something thats useful to everyone , not just people
on 6 figure salaries (not everyone who works in the Bank area are
traders).


Obviously they would be paid for by Reuters or one of the other
companies with an interest in getting their market data services onto
traders' desks, just like all the stuff outside Canary Wharf Jubilee
station.

Anyway I thought there did used to be some ticker displays on the
travelators at Bank, or did I imagine that?
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On 22 Sep 2006 10:54:57 -0700, "
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As for the trains, I agree with a previous poster: what's the point in
fitting C.C.T.V. cameras (if that's what's happened) to these trains,
and given that they were relatively new, "overhaul" seems premature to
say the least.

Marc.


I think the overhaul was more about "behind the scenes" or
"undercarriage" stuff. These five units having been isolated on the
W&C had apparently become very different to the supposedly identical
1992 stock on the Central Line - e.g. I don't think the motor mods
that had to be done to the whole Central Line fleet when they started
dropping off had ever been done to the W&C stock; and a whole series
of similar in-cab and underfloor alterations that had been done to the
Central stock meant that the drivers could no longer drive each
others' trains. So to enable possible driver rotations in future
(because driving the W&C is boring as hell so they want to look at
just spending a few months at a time on it), and to keep costs down by
applying the same fixes and spares to both sets in future, they had to
do a lot of "catching up" work on the W&C stock.

Also this project originally was just a track/signalling replacement
project that was going to mean a couple of years of medium length
disruptions. Metronet put the idea to TfL that if they could close the
line for the whole summer, they could do the job quicker and cheaper
(they split the expected saving half and half with TfL if I remember
rightly) and in to the bargain Metronet said they would do the
platform works and lift the trains out for the overhaul now (they
would have had to come out in the next five years or so for a heavy
overhaul anyway).

So it should have been a win-win-win situation for Metronet, TfL, and
the passengers too, but unfortunately Metronet seem to have done only
a 90% job as usual.


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