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Carry too much on tube
I was on the Victoria line tonight and to be honest it was crowded, but
the main problem wasn't the number of people, it's the amount they all seem to carry with them these days. Back pack culture ! Everyone seems to need a backpack and then of course a laptop clutched under their armpit. All this carried high up where there is no room anyway. Then when people get on or off all this junk get stuck on other peoples similar loads and gets stuck.... they get angry and snappy with each other, and it becomes unpleasant. How much of this stuff is really needed ? Plus of course we're using energy resources to move all this flotsam around the city. How about a campaign to encourage people for their own comfort and the comfort of their fellow passengers, not to carry non essential baggage at peak times ? -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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"Edward Cowling London UK" wrote in message ... I was on the Victoria line tonight and to be honest it was crowded, but the main problem wasn't the number of people, it's the amount they all seem to carry with them these days. Back pack culture ! Everyone seems to need a backpack and then of course a laptop clutched under their armpit. All this carried high up where there is no room anyway. Then when people get on or off all this junk get stuck on other peoples similar loads and gets stuck.... they get angry and snappy with each other, and it becomes unpleasant. How much of this stuff is really needed ? Plus of course we're using energy resources to move all this flotsam around the city. How about a campaign to encourage people for their own comfort and the comfort of their fellow passengers, not to carry non essential baggage at peak times ? -- Edward Cowling London UK Having a back pack jammed into your chest for a few stops is very unpleasent. The biggest problem though has to be those cases with wheels and a telescopic handle. They seem to be getting larger and larger with the weight increasing relative to the size. The exit stratagy from the tube seems to follow the same pattern. Lug the bag of, stop, pull out the handle, weave there way to the escalator, stop, push in the handle, lug bag on the escalator, get of escalator, stop, pull out handle and then get stuck in the ticket barriers. Entering the underground follows a similar pattern. First push down the handle. I wont go on. A station i use every working day is Kings Cross underground, i use the exit into the main line station. The stairs to a person with one of these cases as big as themselves must look like Everest. Having helped a few people to the top with there luggage my arm muscles are developing nicely but my back is suffering. Regards Clyde |
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clyde dempster wrote:
A station i use every working day is Kings Cross underground, i use the exit into the main line station. The stairs to a person with one of these cases as big as themselves must look like Everest. Having helped a few people to the top with there luggage my arm muscles are developing nicely but my back is suffering. Two new lifts at KX (one in the old ticket hall, which takes you from the top of the escalators up to subway level and the street, and one in the new ticket hall, which leads from the platforms to subway level) mean there is no need to carry heavy cases up steps from the tube any more. Most people probably dont know they exist. At the very least there should be a sign in the mainline station directing people to the lift. PaulO |
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On 29/09/2006 13:56, Paul Oter wrote:
clyde dempster wrote: A station i use every working day is Kings Cross underground, i use the exit into the main line station. The stairs to a person with one of these cases as big as themselves must look like Everest. Having helped a few people to the top with there luggage my arm muscles are developing nicely but my back is suffering. Two new lifts at KX (one in the old ticket hall, which takes you from the top of the escalators up to subway level and the street, and one in the new ticket hall, which leads from the platforms to subway level) mean there is no need to carry heavy cases up steps from the tube any more. Most people probably dont know they exist. At the very least there should be a sign in the mainline station directing people to the lift. PaulO There is/was a rule about taking big objects (including cases) on the LUL over a certain size. I'm sure that would be fun for LUL to try and enforce, but maybe they should - I would make life so much nicer for those people who don't want running over and blocking by 4' rolling cases But then every now and again I see a (proper) bike on places like the Victoria Line - and they shouldn't be let into the station, let alone on the train. Fun fun. |
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Q wrote: On 29/09/2006 13:56, Paul Oter wrote: clyde dempster wrote: A station i use every working day is Kings Cross underground, i use the exit into the main line station. The stairs to a person with one of these cases as big as themselves must look like Everest. Having helped a few people to the top with there luggage my arm muscles are developing nicely but my back is suffering. Two new lifts at KX (one in the old ticket hall, which takes you from the top of the escalators up to subway level and the street, and one in the new ticket hall, which leads from the platforms to subway level) mean there is no need to carry heavy cases up steps from the tube any more. Most people probably dont know they exist. At the very least there should be a sign in the mainline station directing people to the lift. PaulO There is/was a rule about taking big objects (including cases) on the LUL over a certain size. I'm sure that would be fun for LUL to try and enforce, but maybe they should - I would make life so much nicer for those people who don't want running over and blocking by 4' rolling cases But then every now and again I see a (proper) bike on places like the Victoria Line - and they shouldn't be let into the station, let alone on the train. Fun fun. There is a very simple solution to the issue of backpacks. If people took the bloody things off their backs and put them down by their feet then they actually wouldn't take up any extra space. As the op says when you get a carriage full of Quasimodos you lose half the usable standing space. Kevin |
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Q wrote: There is/was a rule about taking big objects (including cases) on the LUL over a certain size. I'm sure that would be fun for LUL to try and enforce, but maybe they should - I would make life so much nicer for those people who don't want running over and blocking by 4' rolling cases I've seen posters reminding people of this rule at Tottenham Hale. They were aimed at people trying to take flat-pack furniture home from IKEA Edmonton. Simon |
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Two basic rules govern the size of what you can take on the tube -
nothing over 2 metres (hence the old posters with that guy and his inflatable crocodile) and nothing you cannot carry yourself. One of the main flaws in this design, and indeed a major obstacle in improving matters) is that LU has links to Heathrow, as well as other mainline stations with airport connections, and thousands of people use the tube to get to airports every day - with those annoying trolley bags! The other week a fella turned up at work with a surfboard of all things. He was flying from Heathrow and needed to take the board on the plane... well, he should have checked before travelling, but still it doesn't feel right, particularly late of an evening, to turn someone down for carrying something that is about a mm over 2 metres. Incidentally I didn't, but I warned him he'd probably not get far into town with it... |
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incidentally, this should provide information for anyone who's
interested. most people aren't even aware that it exists. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...eptember06.pdf |
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In message . com,
" writes incidentally, this should provide information for anyone who's interested. most people aren't even aware that it exists. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...ditions-of-Car riage-September06.pdf Brilliant, and I'm sure many items carried on the tube fall into the "likely to cause an injury category". It's about time London Underground started enforcing these rules. -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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I'd go as far as saying, during peak times, all large luggage should be
banned, as should prams and people who don't know where they are going. The rule should be, if your journey is not to/from work or totally necessary then you should not travel at peak time. "Edward Cowling London UK" wrote in message ... I was on the Victoria line tonight and to be honest it was crowded, but the main problem wasn't the number of people, it's the amount they all seem to carry with them these days. Back pack culture ! Everyone seems to need a backpack and then of course a laptop clutched under their armpit. All this carried high up where there is no room anyway. Then when people get on or off all this junk get stuck on other peoples similar loads and gets stuck.... they get angry and snappy with each other, and it becomes unpleasant. How much of this stuff is really needed ? Plus of course we're using energy resources to move all this flotsam around the city. How about a campaign to encourage people for their own comfort and the comfort of their fellow passengers, not to carry non essential baggage at peak times ? -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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In message , vtk
writes I'd go as far as saying, during peak times, all large luggage should be banned, as should prams and people who don't know where they are going. Yes, a guy with a machete to cut through the gormless tourists at Oxford Circus...... now that is an idea :-) -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:42:17 +0100, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote: I was on the Victoria line tonight and to be honest it was crowded, but the main problem wasn't the number of people, it's the amount they all seem to carry with them these days. Back pack culture ! Everyone seems to need a backpack and then of course a laptop clutched under their armpit. All this carried high up where there is no room anyway. Then when people get on or off all this junk get stuck on other peoples similar loads and gets stuck.... they get angry and snappy with each other, and it becomes unpleasant. How much of this stuff is really needed ? Plus of course we're using energy resources to move all this flotsam around the city. How about a campaign to encourage people for their own comfort and the comfort of their fellow passengers, not to carry non essential baggage at peak times ? Yesterday I was on the District Line from Embankment to Victoria. The number of backpackers with packs 1/2 their size was immense. When they turn, they risk cold-cocking other passengers who can't dodge them. I often wear a small backpack, but take it off when boarding buses or Tube trains. These packs are too big to remove and carry. There are rules against bicycles at certain times of day and on certain lines. Why not a "Backpacks must be carried" rule? Chris "Especially since you have to carry dogs on the escalators." Hansen -- Chris Hansen | chrishansenhome at btinternet dot com |http://www.christianphansen.com or |http://www.livejournal.com/users/chrishansenhome |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:31:55 +0100, Christian Hansen
wrote: There are rules against bicycles at certain times of day and on certain lines. Why not a "Backpacks must be carried" rule? To which the (smart arse) answer is "I am carrying it - on my back". To be fair there have been plenty of posters and signs on the trains asking people to be considerate when travelling with backpacks and to take care if they move suddenly because of the risk of swiping someone. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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In article , Christian
Hansen writes Once many years ago, when I lived in New York, I got on the subway and sat down. A few stations later two people got on carrying a sofa (obviously they were moving house on the cheap). They put the sofa in the area between doors and sat down on it until they got to their stop, when they carried it off again. I've moved a divan bed (in two parts) and mattress across London by tube. But not at peak time. -- congokid Eating out in London? Read my tips... http://congokid.com |
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Small backpacks don't usually bother me too much (I often carry a guitar
across London when I'm doing studio work, so I can't really complain) but what really annoys me is the huge craze for square "suitcase on wheels" thingies. These things could become quite a hazard. Even in non-threatening situations, like hurrying for a train, I'll judge my quickest route across the station concourse (particularly Victoria) by scanning the general movement of people's heads. If I see a gap, I'll make a beeline for it. However, you don't see the slow moving suitcase-on-wheels until you're practically falling over it. Imagine the same thing happening in a stressful evacuation scenario. Still, it *is* very satisfying to give the things a quick kick as you dodge them... watch the owner try to wrestle it back on course ;-) adrian -- http://www.spaghetti-factory.co.uk http://www.custom-transcription.com |
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Adrian Clark wrote:
Small backpacks don't usually bother me too much (I often carry a guitar across London when I'm doing studio work, so I can't really complain) but what really annoys me is the huge craze for square "suitcase on wheels" thingies. These things could become quite a hazard. Even in non-threatening situations, like hurrying for a train, I'll judge my quickest route across the station concourse (particularly Victoria) by scanning the general movement of people's heads. If I see a gap, I'll make a beeline for it. However, you don't see the slow moving suitcase-on-wheels until you're practically falling over it. If you're moving so fast that you're in danger of "falling over" a large suitcase that you've failed to notice, it sounds as if your speed through a crowded concourse is itself a hazard. Don't complain about other people if you can't be bothered to adjust your speed to the conditions. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On 30/09/2006 01:07, vtk wrote:
I'd go as far as saying, during peak times, all large luggage should be banned, as should prams and people who don't know where they are going. The rule should be, if your journey is not to/from work or totally necessary then you should not travel at peak time. Yes! Can we!! Pleaseeeeee.... Snip |
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Edward Cowling London UK wrote: I was on the Victoria line tonight and to be honest it was crowded, but the main problem wasn't the number of people, it's the amount they all seem to carry with them these days. Back pack culture ! Everyone seems to need a backpack and then of course a laptop clutched under their armpit. All this carried high up where there is no room anyway. Then when people get on or off all this junk get stuck on other peoples similar loads and gets stuck.... they get angry and snappy with each other, and it becomes unpleasant. How much of this stuff is really needed ? Plus of course we're using energy resources to move all this flotsam around the city. How about a campaign to encourage people for their own comfort and the comfort of their fellow passengers, not to carry non essential baggage at peak times ? Just some notes (because I've lost track of who I agree and disagree with): Sometimes people have to take stuff with them, and one day it may be you. What has "culture" got to do with it? Backpacks are designed for carrying. Suitcases are designed for stacking. Backpacks can easily be carried up stairs and escalators and through barriers, while suitcases cause blockages and delays. Backpacks worn on the back are a real hazard and waste of space when they are not actually being carried as such, eg when standing in a train. Taking off a large backpack takes a few seconds and a little bit of space, which the people complaining often aren't prepared to give. Some people are perfectly capable of carrying their backpack as long as they don't take it off. Once it's at their feet, they have no means of getting it back on their back other than maybe dragging it to a bench, which don't exist on many modern platforms (eg JLE, DLR), which may tempt some smaller people to keep them on in the train. |
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vtk wrote:
The rule should be, if your journey is not to/from work or totally necessary then you should not travel at peak time. My journey, with luggage, is to and from work. It occurs once a week in each direction. The Tube is not just for daily commuting. Indeed, when I was doing so I avoided it like the plague and used buses instead; the only reason I don't do that now is that it takes a very long time and about 3 buses to get Euston to LCY without using Tube and DLR. Neil |
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In message , Christian
Hansen writes I often wear a small backpack, but take it off when boarding buses or Tube trains. These packs are too big to remove and carry. There are rules against bicycles at certain times of day and on certain lines. Why not a "Backpacks must be carried" rule? In the 60s and early 70s you weren't allowed on the tube "as opposed to subsurface" unless you could carry it. Cycles and prams were not allowed under any circumstances regardless of the reason. -- Clive. |
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In message , Jim Brittin
writes In article , says... In message , Christian Hansen writes I often wear a small backpack, but take it off when boarding buses or Tube trains. These packs are too big to remove and carry. There are rules against bicycles at certain times of day and on certain lines. Why not a "Backpacks must be carried" rule? In the 60s and early 70s you weren't allowed on the tube "as opposed to subsurface" unless you could carry it. Cycles and prams were not allowed under any circumstances regardless of the reason. Anyone remember the Jonathan Routh record where as 'Candid Mike' he got a piano onto the platform at Camden Town? Mid-50's I think I've seen tourists at Russell Square get six foot cabin trunks onto the Piccadilly Line !! -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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"Richard J." wrote in message
.uk... Adrian Clark wrote: Small backpacks don't usually bother me too much (I often carry a guitar across London when I'm doing studio work, so I can't really complain) but what really annoys me is the huge craze for square "suitcase on wheels" thingies. These things could become quite a hazard. Even in non-threatening situations, like hurrying for a train, I'll judge my quickest route across the station concourse (particularly Victoria) by scanning the general movement of people's heads. If I see a gap, I'll make a beeline for it. However, you don't see the slow moving suitcase-on-wheels until you're practically falling over it. If you're moving so fast that you're in danger of "falling over" a large suitcase that you've failed to notice, it sounds as if your speed through a crowded concourse is itself a hazard. Don't complain about other people if you can't be bothered to adjust your speed to the conditions. You're assuming the person dragging the case is doing so responsibly. Getting cut up by some asshat dragging a tiny bag on wheels 1m behind them will get you if you're walking fast or not :) dave -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Richard J. wrote: Adrian Clark wrote: Small backpacks don't usually bother me too much (I often carry a guitar across London when I'm doing studio work, so I can't really complain) but what really annoys me is the huge craze for square "suitcase on wheels" thingies. These things could become quite a hazard. Even in non-threatening situations, like hurrying for a train, I'll judge my quickest route across the station concourse (particularly Victoria) by scanning the general movement of people's heads. If I see a gap, I'll make a beeline for it. However, you don't see the slow moving suitcase-on-wheels until you're practically falling over it. If you're moving so fast that you're in danger of "falling over" a large suitcase that you've failed to notice, it sounds as if your speed through a crowded concourse is itself a hazard. Don't complain about other people if you can't be bothered to adjust your speed to the conditions. As a late follow-up to this, three times in the last week or two I've been clobbered and nearly taken out from behind by someone rushing past me dragging one of those cases, when they see that they can get through a gap, but give no consideration to whether the case they are dragging will get through. The things are much more of a menace than backpacks. I am always seeing people falling over them. |
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In message om, MIG
writes As a late follow-up to this, three times in the last week or two I've been clobbered and nearly taken out from behind by someone rushing past me dragging one of those cases, when they see that they can get through a gap, but give no consideration to whether the case they are dragging will get through. The things are much more of a menace than backpacks. I am always seeing people falling over them. Agreed. The problem is that there is too much handle with often a comically small bag at the end. So you can't see the bag and go base over apex when you hit the handle. I've seen women with what amounts to an oversize handbag on about 5 feet of handle behind them. I often think it would be a lot safer for them and their fellow passengers to carry the damn thing. Like all problems this will only be solved when either ... a. Someone famous gets put in hospital by one. b. Someone sues London Underground for contributory negligence for allowing the things on the tube. -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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MIG wrote:
The things are much more of a menace than backpacks. I am always seeing people falling over them. They're a bloody pain to use, as well. I've gone over to using a holdall, which might not look as professional and businesslike but is one hell of a lot more practical. Neil |
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