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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at
King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading
for the West End,

True.

the museums in South Ken

....

Are they really that big a traffic generator?

and crossing to other terminals.

But for some reason not Liverpoool Street, Fenchurch Street or London
Bridge, i suppose.

tom

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On 16 Dec 2006 17:51:25 -0800, Earl Purple wrote:

You'll probably find, if you look at a map, that although the journey
towards Cockfosters is called "Eastbound", the East-most station is
Manor House after which your journey heads back towards to the West (as
well as North).

IIRC the directions on the Picc are referred to as eastbound/westbound
between Heathrow/Uxbridge and Covent Garden, and northbound/southbound
between Covent Garden and Cockfosters.

Nope, we refer to the whole line as East West. What the
punt^Mcustomers are told on the platforms may be a different kettle of
fish.
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In message . com,
Boltar writes

You are joking? In the rush hour the picc is packed north of arnos
grove and frankly the service resembles a country branch line a lot of
the time with 10 min waits for trains if the service is ****ed as it is
at least once a week. The picc needs to run more trains north of arnos
grove during rush hour , not less, and in doing so would also solve the
problems of trains backing up south of arnos grove because of no free
platforms since all the trains are just sitting the with red signals
(presumably the signalman is watching Neighbours or something). The
worst it has ever been in my experience is backed up trains to Arsenal.
This might mean trains back up from cockfosters but at least it would
mean the trains get further before they get stuck and so fewer people
would be delayed.

I can honestly say that in my time there, the best I've managed is
blocking back to Hyde Park Corner. Now that's an achievement!
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at
King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading
for the West End,

True.

the museums in South Ken

....

Are they really that big a traffic generator?

South Ken is the 18th busiest Underground station (for entries and
exits), ahead of places like Tower Hill, Moorgate and Westminster.
They're not all coming to Imperial...

and crossing to other terminals.

But for some reason not Liverpoool Street, Fenchurch Street or London
Bridge, i suppose.

I imagine that most people heading from the suburban Great Northern
stations out to the east / south east will drive.

Heathrow and Gatwick are also more easily reached from King's Cross than
from Moorgate.


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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at
King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading for
the West End,

True.

the museums in South Ken

....

Are they really that big a traffic generator?

South Ken is the 18th busiest Underground station (for entries and exits),
ahead of places like Tower Hill, Moorgate and Westminster. They're not all
coming to Imperial...

Wow. That's a surprising statistic. 18th busiest overall, not just at
weekends? Most impressive!

and crossing to other terminals.

But for some reason not Liverpoool Street, Fenchurch Street or London
Bridge, i suppose.

I imagine that most people heading from the suburban Great Northern stations
out to the east / south east will drive.

They're certainly much more likely to do so if they can't take the train.

tom

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Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
I can honestly say that in my time there, the best I've managed is
blocking back to Hyde Park Corner. Now that's an achievement!

Why is it only (in my experience) the piccadilly line that suffers from
this problem? Is it the amount of trains? Is it the slow turn around at
arnos grove or do the signallers just not keep tabs on how many trains
are blocking back and just keep reversing them at arnos grove & wood
green regardless so making the problem worse? Its not like its an
occasional issue , its a constant annoyance week after week.

B2003

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South Ken is the 18th busiest Underground station (for entries and exits),
ahead of places like Tower Hill, Moorgate and Westminster. They're not all
coming to Imperial...

18th? Interesting - is there a league table online you can point me to
please?

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whos2091 wrote:

South Ken is the 18th busiest Underground station (for entries and exits),
ahead of places like Tower Hill, Moorgate and Westminster. They're not all
coming to Imperial...


18th? Interesting - is there a league table online you can point me to
please?

There are lots of such statistics available he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/company/performance.asp

Click on "View station entry and exit figures" in this case, but I don't
think there is any table sorting them in order of most entries/exits.

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Olof Lagerkvist wrote:
whos2091 wrote:

South Ken is the 18th busiest Underground station (for entries and exits),
ahead of places like Tower Hill, Moorgate and Westminster. They're not all
coming to Imperial...


18th? Interesting - is there a league table online you can point me to
please?

There are lots of such statistics available he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/company/performance.asp

Click on "View station entry and exit figures" in this case, but I don't
think there is any table sorting them in order of most entries/exits.

I couldn't find a table sorting them but I think this might be the
least used station. (the list doesn't include National Rail stations
that are not also underground ones)

Chesham
Annual entry and exit frequencies
Entry weekday total: 751 Exit weekday total: 591
Entry weekday early: 66 Exit weekday early: 5
Entry weekday A.M. peak: 393 Exit weekday A.M. peak: 101
Entry weekday inter peak: 150 Exit weekday inter peak: 95
Entry weekday P.M. peak: 109 Exit weekday P.M. peak: 249
Entry weekday evening: 33 Exit weekday evening: 141
Entry Saturday total: 455 Exit Saturday total: 463
Entry Sunday total: 180 Exit Sunday total: 148

Total annual entry + exit (in millions) = 0.407

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Earl Purple wrote:

I couldn't find a table sorting them but I think this might be the
least used station. (the list doesn't include National Rail stations
that are not also underground ones)

Chesham
Total annual entry + exit (in millions) = 0.407

After looking at likely suspects, I think the four least used stations are
Roding Valley, Chigwell, Grange Hill and Chesham, in that order.