John Rowland wrote:
That's partly because there are semi-fasts which skip Palmers Green, and
there are no overtaking opportunities between Stevenage junction and
Alexandra Palace via Palmers Green (although they can start extra trains at
Gordon Hill or Hertford North).

When I met FCC, about a number of issues, I was told that TfL are
working with them to increase the services from Moorgate throughout the
day. No date was given, but the plan is to run a tube-like frequency
ALL day and later into the evenings. I have to assume that TfL (or
perhaps local authorities) will partly fund the move, but didn't ask
about the funding issue.

Another discussion has also boosted my chances of getting a new service
in the morning from Hatfield (a train just for me.. woohoo!!) with a
bit of juggling around of services. May have to wait for the next
timetable but one, but Wagn never managed it in all their years of
service. :-)

Jonathan

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Jonathan Morris wrote:

John Rowland wrote:

That's partly because there are semi-fasts which skip Palmers Green,
and there are no overtaking opportunities between Stevenage junction
and Alexandra Palace via Palmers Green (although they can start extra
trains at Gordon Hill or Hertford North).

When I met FCC, about a number of issues, I was told that TfL are
working with them to increase the services from Moorgate throughout the
day. No date was given, but the plan is to run a tube-like frequency
ALL day and later into the evenings.

Were weekends mentioned?

Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like
frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway.

tom

--
I do not think we will have to wait for long.

Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like
frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway.

I think they have the stock, as they can run a high frequency service
during the peaks (remember, the high frequency part will be Moorgate to
AP, as beyond that they split on each branch - and that would mean more
paths and stock, which isn't necessarily possible anytime soon).

At weekends, 313s go into Kings Cross. So, if Moorgate was to continue
in operation, there would be the issue of how frequent a service could
be provided from KGX (on a Sunday, it would pretty much be an hourly
service for me).

Who said timetabling was easy?!

Jonathan

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like
frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway.

I think they have the stock, as they can run a high frequency service
during the peaks (remember, the high frequency part will be Moorgate to
AP, as beyond that they split on each branch - and that would mean more
paths and stock, which isn't necessarily possible anytime soon).

At weekends, 313s go into Kings Cross. So, if Moorgate was to continue
in operation, there would be the issue of how frequent a service could
be provided from KGX (on a Sunday, it would pretty much be an hourly
service for me).

Who said timetabling was easy?!

There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at
King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading
for the West End, the museums in South Ken and crossing to other terminals.


--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at
King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading
for the West End,

True.

the museums in South Ken

....

Are they really that big a traffic generator?

and crossing to other terminals.

But for some reason not Liverpoool Street, Fenchurch Street or London
Bridge, i suppose.

tom

--
YOUR MIND IS A NIGHTMARE THAT HAS BEEN EATING YOU: NOW EAT YOUR MIND. --
Kathy Acker, Empire of the Senseless

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at
King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading
for the West End,

True.

the museums in South Ken

....

Are they really that big a traffic generator?

South Ken is the 18th busiest Underground station (for entries and
exits), ahead of places like Tower Hill, Moorgate and Westminster.
They're not all coming to Imperial...

and crossing to other terminals.

But for some reason not Liverpoool Street, Fenchurch Street or London
Bridge, i suppose.

I imagine that most people heading from the suburban Great Northern
stations out to the east / south east will drive.

Heathrow and Gatwick are also more easily reached from King's Cross than
from Moorgate.


--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Dave Arquati wrote:

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at
King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading for
the West End,

True.

the museums in South Ken

....

Are they really that big a traffic generator?

South Ken is the 18th busiest Underground station (for entries and exits),
ahead of places like Tower Hill, Moorgate and Westminster. They're not all
coming to Imperial...

Wow. That's a surprising statistic. 18th busiest overall, not just at
weekends? Most impressive!

and crossing to other terminals.

But for some reason not Liverpoool Street, Fenchurch Street or London
Bridge, i suppose.

I imagine that most people heading from the suburban Great Northern stations
out to the east / south east will drive.

They're certainly much more likely to do so if they can't take the train.

tom

--
Men? Women? Give me a colossal death robot any day!

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Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned?

I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut
at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at
weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent
service, but a service nonetheless.

Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like
frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway.

I think they have the stock, as they can run a high frequency service
during the peaks (remember, the high frequency part will be Moorgate to
AP, as beyond that they split on each branch - and that would mean more
paths and stock, which isn't necessarily possible anytime soon).

At weekends, 313s go into Kings Cross. So, if Moorgate was to continue
in operation, there would be the issue of how frequent a service could
be provided from KGX (on a Sunday, it would pretty much be an hourly
service for me).

Who said timetabling was easy?!

I don't think providing a frequent service to Kings Cross is particularly
important. After all there are two tube lines with 40tph+ duplicating the GN
route from Finsbury Park.

With the cross-platform interchange at Highbury, the Moorgate branch offers
just as good a range of connections as Kings Cross anyway.

Peter Smyth