Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

.... when we mere mortals, on our way to a pop concert saying "sorry I lost
my ticket", would most certainly have been charged £20??

And should David Cameron, as an example to follow, not have insisted on
paying the £20 rather than plea for clemency? Perhaps he's trying to get
even more hoodies' votes whom he keeps urging us all to hug.

Whilst the fact that our future PM may be a Morrisey fan is kind of cool, I
really can't bear any Tories and least of all those who purport to be "a
man of the people" in this fashion. The People's PM. **** off.

Anyone would be better than Bliar. But my vote is certainly not going to go
to either party at the moment. It'll be either Respect or the Lib Dems,
like last time.

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

Tristán White wrote:

... when we mere mortals, on our way to a pop concert saying "sorry I lost
my ticket", would most certainly have been charged £20??

And should David Cameron, as an example to follow, not have insisted on
paying the £20 rather than plea for clemency? Perhaps he's trying to get
even more hoodies' votes whom he keeps urging us all to hug.

Whilst the fact that our future PM may be a Morrisey fan is kind of cool, I
really can't bear any Tories and least of all those who purport to be "a
man of the people" in this fashion. The People's PM. **** off.

Anyone would be better than Bliar. But my vote is certainly not going to go
to either party at the moment. It'll be either Respect or the Lib Dems,
like last time.


You've gotta give some kind of reference so we can decipher your rant.

You're post implies that Cameron got nabbed without a ticket on the
Tube, claiming he'd lost it, and managed to pay the £3 fare rather
than the £20 penalty fare. A quick search of BBC News online doesn't
yield any such story, so please provide a source.

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

"Mizter T" wrote in
ps.com:

Tristán White wrote:

... when we mere mortals, on our way to a pop concert saying "sorry I
lost my ticket", would most certainly have been charged £20??

And should David Cameron, as an example to follow, not have insisted
on paying the £20 rather than plea for clemency? Perhaps he's trying
to get even more hoodies' votes whom he keeps urging us all to hug.

Whilst the fact that our future PM may be a Morrisey fan is kind of
cool,
I
really can't bear any Tories and least of all those who purport to be
"a man of the people" in this fashion. The People's PM. **** off.

Anyone would be better than Bliar. But my vote is certainly not going
to
go
to either party at the moment. It'll be either Respect or the Lib
Dems, like last time.


You've gotta give some kind of reference so we can decipher your rant.

You're post implies that Cameron got nabbed without a ticket on the
Tube, claiming he'd lost it, and managed to pay the £3 fare rather
than the £20 penalty fare. A quick search of BBC News online doesn't
yield any such story, so please provide a source.


In the evening's paper:

http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/b...12/1848/3/5/0/

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:30:48 -0600, "Tristán White"
wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in
ups.com:

Tristán White wrote:

... when we mere mortals, on our way to a pop concert saying "sorry I
lost my ticket", would most certainly have been charged £20??

And should David Cameron, as an example to follow, not have insisted
on paying the £20 rather than plea for clemency? Perhaps he's trying
to get even more hoodies' votes whom he keeps urging us all to hug.

Whilst the fact that our future PM may be a Morrisey fan is kind of
cool,
I
really can't bear any Tories and least of all those who purport to be
"a man of the people" in this fashion. The People's PM. **** off.

Anyone would be better than Bliar. But my vote is certainly not going
to
go
to either party at the moment. It'll be either Respect or the Lib
Dems, like last time.


You've gotta give some kind of reference so we can decipher your rant.

You're post implies that Cameron got nabbed without a ticket on the
Tube, claiming he'd lost it, and managed to pay the £3 fare rather
than the £20 penalty fare. A quick search of BBC News online doesn't
yield any such story, so please provide a source.


In the evening's paper:

http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/b...12/1848/3/5/0/

Ah, it was in themurdochrag, which is why I haven't seen it.

Looks like he "got away with it" because the worker knew who he was. I
see they didn't name the employee - which is a good thing, as they
don't want to be responsible for him getting sacked.

This has happened to me a couple of times over the years - one time I
approached a staff member at platform level, and was allowed to pay
again; the other time I went to the assistance window by the gate and
got a PF.


One question concerns me though: Why doesn't DC have an Oyster?

Other things to compain about in the article: the £20 PF is not "a
fine" and is not given "for fare dodging", and I trust people in LUL
will be writing a letter of correction to themurdochrag immediately :)

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

Tristán White wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in
ps.com:

Tristán White wrote:

... when we mere mortals, on our way to a pop concert saying "sorry I
lost my ticket", would most certainly have been charged £20??

And should David Cameron, as an example to follow, not have insisted
on paying the £20 rather than plea for clemency? Perhaps he's trying
to get even more hoodies' votes whom he keeps urging us all to hug.

Whilst the fact that our future PM may be a Morrisey fan is kind of
cool,
I
really can't bear any Tories and least of all those who purport to be
"a man of the people" in this fashion. The People's PM. **** off.

Anyone would be better than Bliar. But my vote is certainly not going
to
go
to either party at the moment. It'll be either Respect or the Lib
Dems, like last time.


You've gotta give some kind of reference so we can decipher your rant.

You're post implies that Cameron got nabbed without a ticket on the
Tube, claiming he'd lost it, and managed to pay the £3 fare rather
than the £20 penalty fare. A quick search of BBC News online doesn't
yield any such story, so please provide a source.


In the evening's paper:

http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/b...12/1848/3/5/0/


And yet again, a penalty fare is referred to as a "fine". (Which of
course it is in reality, that can be imposed without charge or trial,
on the assumption of guilty till proven innocent, but legally it is
just a fare.)

If he was suspected of fare-evasion, he should have been prosecuted and
risked a fine of £1000 or whatever it is. If he wasn't, it's his
moral duty to expose and refuse to cooperate with the scam of penalty
fares.

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:44:18 +0000, James Farrar
wrote:

One question concerns me though: Why doesn't DC have an Oyster?

A good question as I thought all MPs had All Zones Travelcards anyway.
I might be wrong but I'm sure they have them as part of the T&Cs for
being a MP.

I'm also struggling with why he needed to travel on the tube having
cycled from NHG to Willesden Junction and then needed to go to Wembley?
Why didn't he cycle the rest or just get a bus?

He seems to have gone to WJ back into town and then back out again on
the Jubilee Line (assuming the article is right - I would imagine he may
have cycled to Willesden Green which makes a little more sense)
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his£3 again...
 

In article ,
James Farrar wrote:
This has happened to me a couple of times over the years - one time I
approached a staff member at platform level, and was allowed to pay
again; the other time I went to the assistance window by the gate and
got a PF.

The rule seems to be that if you approach them, then you pay the
fare. But if THEY approach you, you get the fine^Wpenalty fare.

--
I don't play The Game - it's for five-year-olds with delusions of adulthood.

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
James Farrar wrote:
This has happened to me a couple of times over the years - one time I
approached a staff member at platform level, and was allowed to pay
again; the other time I went to the assistance window by the gate and
got a PF.

The rule seems to be that if you approach them, then you pay the
fare. But if THEY approach you, you get the fine^Wpenalty fare.



That may be the rule, but it's against the rules.

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

Tristán White wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in
ps.com:

Tristán White wrote:

... when we mere mortals, on our way to a pop concert saying "sorry I
lost my ticket", would most certainly have been charged £20??

And should David Cameron, as an example to follow, not have insisted
on paying the £20 rather than plea for clemency? Perhaps he's trying
to get even more hoodies' votes whom he keeps urging us all to hug.

Whilst the fact that our future PM may be a Morrisey fan is kind of
cool,
I
really can't bear any Tories and least of all those who purport to be
"a man of the people" in this fashion. The People's PM. **** off.

Anyone would be better than Bliar. But my vote is certainly not going
to
go
to either party at the moment. It'll be either Respect or the Lib
Dems, like last time.


You've gotta give some kind of reference so we can decipher your rant.

You're post implies that Cameron got nabbed without a ticket on the
Tube, claiming he'd lost it, and managed to pay the £3 fare rather
than the £20 penalty fare. A quick search of BBC News online doesn't
yield any such story, so please provide a source.


In the evening's paper:

http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/b...12/1848/3/5/0/

Thanks - I'd not clocked the fact that a full facsimile of the print
version of thelondonpaper is available in full online, is this a new
thing?

I see said story is also on the ThisIsLondon website:
http://tinyurl.com/ylnbn9

I managed to lose my ticket fairly recently whilst on the Tube (twas an
unregistered Oyster which was pretty low in credit). I wasn't in a rush
and was fairly close to an ungated station so I headed there, exited
the paid area then bought myself a new ticket rather than risk getting
a penalty fare if I'd declared my situation at a gated station. I'm
sure that's not the proceedure I was supposed to follow but after an
absolute hell of a day it was a no-fuss solution to my predicament. And
the pint at the pleasant nearby hostelry gave me a little time to
regain my composure!

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote:

A good question as I thought all MPs had All Zones Travelcards
anyway. I might be wrong but I'm sure they have them as part of the
T&Cs for being a MP.

It might be for London MPs. My MP has a Cambridge-London (I think all zones) annual season. But why would an MP for a constituency in zone 2 justify more than a zones 1 and 2 travelcard?

--
Colin Rosenstie

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

In article 45, (Tristán White) wrote:

(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in
:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

A good question as I thought all MPs had All Zones Travelcards
anyway. I might be wrong but I'm sure they have them as part of
the T&Cs for being a MP.

It might be for London MPs. My MP has a Cambridge-London (I think
all zones) annual season. But why would an MP for a constituency in
zone 2 justify more than a zones 1 and 2 travelcard?

They justify a flat on taxpayer's money near Westminster even when
their family home is 15 minutes away by train, and they justify
spending a fortune on stationery, so I'm sure they all get zone 6
travelcards too.

Mine doesn't.

--
Colin Rosenstie

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:46 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote:

A good question as I thought all MPs had All Zones Travelcards
anyway. I might be wrong but I'm sure they have them as part of the
T&Cs for being a MP.

It might be for London MPs. My MP has a Cambridge-London (I think all zones) annual season. But why would an MP for a constituency in zone 2 justify more than a zones 1 and 2 travelcard?

No idea Colin. I was merely speculating as I don't know for certain that
I what said was correct. I certainly don't know what entitlement rules
would apply.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

Paul Corfield wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:46 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote:

A good question as I thought all MPs had All Zones Travelcards
anyway. I might be wrong but I'm sure they have them as part of the
T&Cs for being a MP.

It might be for London MPs. My MP has a Cambridge-London (I think all zones) annual season. But why would an MP for a constituency in zone 2 justify more than a zones 1 and 2 travelcard?

No idea Colin. I was merely speculating as I don't know for certain that
I what said was correct. I certainly don't know what entitlement rules
would apply.

This has intrigued me as well, so I'm on the case of finding out - I
will report back when I have an authoritative answer (might take a few
days).

Should David Cameron be allowed just to pay his £3 again...
 

Tristán White wrote:
... when we mere mortals, on our way to a pop concert saying "sorry I lost
my ticket", would most certainly have been charged £20??

And should David Cameron, as an example to follow, not have insisted on
paying the £20 rather than plea for clemency? Perhaps he's trying to get
even more hoodies' votes whom he keeps urging us all to hug.

What happened to him going everywhere by bicycle?

Whilst the fact that our future PM may be a Morrisey fan is kind of cool, I
really can't bear any Tories and least of all those who purport to be "a
man of the people" in this fashion. The People's PM. **** off.

He's a Morrissey fan? Is his favourite Morrissey song "Margaret On The
Guillotine" ? Or maybe he likes Glamorous Glue, particularly the line
"We won't vote Conservative, because we never have...". Of course now
Morrissey is sick to death of Labour and Tory (Irish Blood English
Heart).

Anyone would be better than Bliar.

He won't be the leader at the next election.

But my vote is certainly not going to go
to either party at the moment. It'll be either Respect or the Lib Dems, like last time.

Not sure exactly what their policies are. Not sure any party will
actually have the policies I would like. Do we really want "New Tory"
which is simply New Labour with a different name?