Fig wrote:

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:55:12 -0000, wrote:


Ken Wheatley wrote:

There can't have been too many Routemasters in 1958, only the
prototypes existed.

Ken, this is a painful subject for me! As a schoolboy, I spent several
Saturdays 'bashing' RTWs. Unfortunately the iPod generation think that
***all*** red London doubledeckers with rear platforms from RT1 onwards
were called "Routemasters". The Wikipedia entry on RMs ruefully notes
this fact.

So...change it. That is what Wikipedia is for!
:-)

--
Fig

No need to - you've misunderstood what Mike Harrison was saying.
Re-read his comments and you'll see that he doesn't disagree with the
Wikipedia entry, quite the opposite in fact - he states that the
Wikipedia entry rightfully notes that RTs are often mistakenly called
Routemasters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routemaster (under the Design heading)
"RT-type AEC Regent buses [...] and their similar Leyland Titan RTL and
RTW counterparts [...] are often mistaken for Routemasters by the
public and by the media."

Mizter T wrote:

Fig wrote:
So...change it. That is what Wikipedia is for!

No need to - you've misunderstood what Mike Harrison was saying.
Re-read his comments and you'll see that he doesn't disagree with the
Wikipedia entry, quite the opposite in fact - he states that the
Wikipedia entry rightfully notes that RTs are often mistakenly called
Routemasters...

Thanks for picking that up for me - My name's Harvey, though, and I
said that Wikipedia "ruefully" (but rightly!) noted that RTs etc....
never mind...

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Ken Wheatley wrote:

There can't have been too many Routemasters in 1958, only the
prototypes existed.

Ken, this is a painful subject for me! As a schoolboy, I spent several
Saturdays 'bashing' RTWs. Unfortunately the iPod generation think that
***all*** red London doubledeckers with rear platforms from RT1 onwards
were called "Routemasters". The Wikipedia entry on RMs ruefully notes
this fact. They are aided and abetted in this by the media. I once saw
a photo in the Guardian of a wartime RT with the caption "a blacked out
early routemaster" (lower case 'r').

You can accept it and grow old gracefully, or you can fight it tooth
and nail like I do...



I'm curious now. There's a street up the road from me in Plaisow called
"Routemaster Close".

It looks quite an old road and the houses are certainly prewar by the looks
of things... so it is a name-change then?

Tristán White wrote:

I'm curious now. There's a street up the road from me in Plaisow called
"Routemaster Close".

It looks quite an old road and the houses are certainly prewar by the looks
of things... so it is a name-change then?

Depends which war you mean, young man. Certainly not pre world war 2 if
this former resident is to be believed, talking about trolleybuses -
among the first routes given to Routemasters were trolleybus
replacements... THis would have been around 1960.

"They ran from either West Ham [WH] or Poplar [PR] depots, both now
demolished and housing estates built on the sites, although the West
Ham Depot site is remembered as one of the street names there is named
Routemaster Close."

wrote:

"They ran from either West Ham [WH] or Poplar [PR] depots, both now
demolished and housing estates built on the sites, although the West
Ham Depot site is remembered as one of the street names there is named
Routemaster Close."

Could it be a renamed street rather than a 1960s build? There can't be
two Routemaster Closes in that area, surely? I daresay to the untrained
eye a 1960s housing estate might look 'pre-war'? I'm not an architect
myself, and my dad's bungalow in Coulsdon looks pre-war to me, but it
was actually built in 1959.

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Depends which war you mean, young man. Certainly not pre world war
2 if this former resident is to be believed, talking about
trolleybuses - among the first routes given to Routemasters were
trolleybus replacements... THis would have been around 1960.

"They ran from either West Ham [WH] or Poplar [PR] depots, both now
demolished and housing estates built on the sites, although the West
Ham Depot site is remembered as one of the street names there is
named Routemaster Close."

Routemasters entered mainstream service on 11th November 1959 when 74 vehicles were allocated to Poplar and West Ham garages to replace trolleybuses under stage IV of the London Trolleybus Conversion scheme. Once that conversion was completed in 1962 later deliveries of RMs replaced RT type vehicles.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message 5, Tristán
White writes

I'm curious now. There's a street up the road from me in Plaisow called
"Routemaster Close".

It looks quite an old road and the houses are certainly prewar by the looks
of things... so it is a name-change then?

If you mean Routemaster Close off Greengate Street, this is a relatively
new road - it doesn't appear at all on the 1961 Bartholomew Reference
Atlas of London, so I suspect the houses are very much newer than you
think.
--
Paul Terry

Tristán White wrote:

Trying to work out where it was taken. My guess is Edgware, the first
platform you come to on the right hand side which is on its own. I don't
know the number of the platform.

Am I right?

That is platform 1. The platform is only used at peak hours. (At least
it used to be).