In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern
on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier"
Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing.

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"Fig" wrote in message newsp.tljmp5qam4iaeb@dell...
In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern
on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier"
Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing.

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Fig

Yeah what does Dave mean?

C wrote:
"Fig" wrote in message newsp.tljmp5qam4iaeb@dell...
In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern
on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier"
Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing.

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Fig

Yeah what does Dave mean?

There is a plan to replace to rearrange the subsurface lines so that:
- the Metropolitan is extended to Barking instead of the Hammersmith
and City
- the Hammersmith and City and Circle are replace by a new line running
from Hammersmith, via Paddington, Kings Cross, Tower Hill, Victoria and
Paddington to Edgware Road, where it would terminate/reverse.

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, C wrote:

"Fig" wrote in message newsp.tljmp5qam4iaeb@dell...
In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern
on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier"
Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing.

Yeah what does Dave mean?

Before questioning The Dave, check your scriptu

http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/39

Which sayeth:

"2011 - New service pattern

"The peak hour service is currently 28tph on most of the subsurface
network in Zone 1 and is due to be increased to 30tph, to be achieved by
restructuring the service - in particular the Circle line.

"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking,
and the Hammersmith & City service would run partially to Aldgate, and
partially all the way around the Circle terminating at Edgware Road - i.e.
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road and
reverse.

"This is meant to give a period of recovery time which the Circle line
currently lacks. Detailed information is available at Tubeprune's site and
District Dave's site.

"Works will be undertaken on the Hammersmith & City line station at
Paddington to relieve overcrowding."

Note that because of the new shape of the H&C (which, AIUI, entirely
replaces the current Circle service), at Paddington, no trains on the
Circle/District platform will go beyond Edgware Road, so should that way
lie your destination, your only option is to go to the H&C platform, which
is easier than the choice you face at present.

tom

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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:44:12 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

Note that because of the new shape of the H&C (which, AIUI, entirely
replaces the current Circle service), at Paddington, no trains on the
Circle/District platform will go beyond Edgware Road, so should that way
lie your destination, your only option is to go to the H&C platform, which
is easier than the choice you face at present.

Also, the frequency of trains from the H&C platforms to Liverpool
Street will be increased (doubled?). If that didn't happen (i.e. the
only change was that trains from the Circle platforms terminated at
Edgware Road) then it wouldn't be much of an improvement - although,
as you say, the choice would be easier. ;-)

Having said that, I'd hazard a guess that the Hammersmith-Aldgate
service won't run off-peak (otherwise why send the Met to Barking?),
which would mean this increase would only be at peak times.

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, asdf wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:44:12 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

Note that because of the new shape of the H&C (which, AIUI, entirely
replaces the current Circle service), at Paddington, no trains on the
Circle/District platform will go beyond Edgware Road, so should that
way lie your destination, your only option is to go to the H&C
platform, which is easier than the choice you face at present.

Also, the frequency of trains from the H&C platforms to Liverpool Street
will be increased (doubled?). If that didn't happen (i.e. the only
change was that trains from the Circle platforms terminated at Edgware
Road) then it wouldn't be much of an improvement

Well, quite!

- although, as you say, the choice would be easier. ;-)

Yes - take the flipping Bakerloo.

Random PS - why didn't the Bakerloo get called the Regent Line, since it
runs via Regent's Park and Regent Street? That would be a much better
name. 'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it.

Having said that, I'd hazard a guess that the Hammersmith-Aldgate
service won't run off-peak (otherwise why send the Met to Barking?),

Hang on, what? What do you mean by the 'Hammersmith-Aldgate service'? Why
won't it run off-peak? How is this related to the Met?

tom

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Random PS - why didn't the Bakerloo get called the Regent Line, since
it runs via Regent's Park and Regent Street?

Because it was the Baker Street and Waterloo Railway.

And it's brown on the maps because the Baker Street and Waterloo bus
company had a brown livery.

'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it.

It made Der Manejment cringe for years before they decided to live with
it.

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:17:23 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

Having said that, I'd hazard a guess that the Hammersmith-Aldgate
service won't run off-peak (otherwise why send the Met to Barking?),

Hang on, what? What do you mean by the 'Hammersmith-Aldgate service'?

I refer you to your previous post:

"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to
Barking, and the Hammersmith & City service would run partially to
Aldgate..."

Why won't it run off-peak? How is this related to the Met?

Perhaps it was a bit of a leap, but I was thinking that if the Teacup
service is 6tph off-peak, there might not be a need for additional
trains from Hammersmith as the frequency on that branch would be high
enough anyway. If the trains from Hammersmith to Barking don't run
off-peak, there would be no through service between the East End and
the northern Circle at those times - hence the Met/H&C Aldgate/Barking
swap.


Thinking about it a bit more, unless I'm missing something, the
suggested service pattern seems to be hopelessly inefficient in terms
of movements across Praed Street Junction.

Let's assume the Wimbleware frequency is 6tph (as at present), the
Teacup runs at 7tph peak / 6tph off-peak (same as the current
Circle/H&C frequency), and suppose for now the Hammersmith-Aldgate
frequency is 0tph. This results in exactly the same number of
movements across Praed St Jn as at present. The frequency of trains
from Edgware Road to each of Hammersmith, Wimbledon, and Gloucester
Road (and beyond) stays the same, but the frequency of trains through
to Baker Street and King's Cross is halved. That would, however, allow
more trains to run through from the Met to the City (perhaps that's
the whole idea?).

Now add in say 6tph Hammersmith-Aldgate. This restores the frequency
on all routes to present levels, except it doubles the frequency on
the Hammersmith branch. This is, of course, good. However, Praed St Jn
is now hopelessly congested.

What am I missing here?

Tom Anderson wrote:
"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking,

Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a contender
for the longest non stop journey on the tube or is Epping to West
Ruislip still further?

B2003

Boltar wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking,

Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a contender
for the longest non stop journey on the tube or is Epping to West
Ruislip still further?


Just done a quick calculation. I make the distances:

54.69km Epping - West Ruislip
56.76km Amersham - Barking

So the Met line would end up longer (and longer still if trains ran
through to Chesham).

PhilD

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