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I asked for a day return from New Malden (Z4) to Vauxhall today (Z 1/2) - so
using the new fare table this should have been £3.20. However the SWT
ticket clerk said that when he put in Vauxhall the machine automatically
issued a New Malden to London Stations day return at £4.00 and that he
couldn't change this. Is this just a problem with the programming or is
there a problem with the zonal fares when a station is in two zones?

Advice gratefully received!

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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:49:26 -0000, Nicks wrote:

I asked for a day return from New Malden (Z4) to Vauxhall today (Z 1/2) - so
using the new fare table this should have been £3.20. However the SWT
ticket clerk said that when he put in Vauxhall the machine automatically
issued a New Malden to London Stations day return at £4.00 and that he
couldn't change this. Is this just a problem with the programming or is
there a problem with the zonal fares when a station is in two zones?

Advice gratefully received!

Vauxhall is a member of the London Terminals station group, so you
can't buy a ticket to it specifically. As you say (almost), there
appears to be a problem with zonal fares when a station group spans
two zones.

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"asdf" wrote in message
...

Advice gratefully received!

Vauxhall is a member of the London Terminals station group, so you
can't buy a ticket to it specifically. As you say (almost), there
appears to be a problem with zonal fares when a station group spans
two zones.

Is Vauxhall the only member of 'London Terminals' in zones 1&2? Surely all
it needs to be is in the list of stations which can be used for a
Rail/Underground/Rail cross London transfer...

Paul

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Now resolved - SWT clerk must have done his homework and managed to sell me
a ticket only to Vauxhall, not London Stations yesterday.

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Nicks wrote:

Now resolved - SWT clerk must have done his homework and managed to sell me
a ticket only to Vauxhall, not London Stations yesterday.

Interesting. I sometimes travel out from Vauxhall, where I've always
been sold a ticket from "London Terminals", though I haven't yet made
any such journey this year.

If it's a return ticket then it's useful to have the facility to travel
back to Waterloo, either because the train doesn't stop at Vauxhall or
because that's where I'm heading. I shall see what I'm sold in the
future - perhaps it'll be from Vauxhall for shorter journeys/those in
the zones, and from "London Terminals" for longer journeys/those
outside the zones, as perhaps for such longer journeys there still
isn't a price differential between going from Vauxhall or Waterloo.
Perhaps someone with the current NFM might be so kind as to investigate?

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"Mizter T" wrote in message
ps.com...
Nicks wrote:

Now resolved - SWT clerk must have done his homework and managed to sell
me
a ticket only to Vauxhall, not London Stations yesterday.

Interesting. I sometimes travel out from Vauxhall, where I've always
been sold a ticket from "London Terminals", though I haven't yet made
any such journey this year.

If it's a return ticket then it's useful to have the facility to travel
back to Waterloo, either because the train doesn't stop at Vauxhall or
because that's where I'm heading. I shall see what I'm sold in the
future - perhaps it'll be from Vauxhall for shorter journeys/those in
the zones, and from "London Terminals" for longer journeys/those
outside the zones, as perhaps for such longer journeys there still
isn't a price differential between going from Vauxhall or Waterloo.
Perhaps someone with the current NFM might be so kind as to investigate?

At Vauxhall the ticket machine offered me a fare to New Malden based on the
zone 2 to zone 4 fare - so this will not be from London stations.

Another linked issue for me - I have an annual travelcard which is zones 5
and 6 - so I've been buying tickets to Vauxhall from New Malden - as this is
in zone 4 - SWT clerks have happily sold me 3 tickets this way this year -
however for the latest ticket the clerk said that I need to get a ticket
from Berrylands which is in zone 5 - as he said that my zonal pass is not
valid from the boundry of zone 5 to the first zone 4 station. I suspect he
may be right until the new fares become truly zonal - any guidance anywhere
on this please?

Nicks

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In article ,
(Nicks) wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
ps.com...
Nicks wrote:

Now resolved - SWT clerk must have done his homework and managed
to sell me a ticket only to Vauxhall, not London Stations yesterday.

Interesting. I sometimes travel out from Vauxhall, where I've
always been sold a ticket from "London Terminals", though I haven't
yet made any such journey this year.

If it's a return ticket then it's useful to have the facility to
travel back to Waterloo, either because the train doesn't stop at
Vauxhall or because that's where I'm heading. I shall see what I'm
sold in the future - perhaps it'll be from Vauxhall for shorter
journeys/those in the zones, and from "London Terminals" for longer
journeys/those outside the zones, as perhaps for such longer
journeys there still isn't a price differential between going from
Vauxhall or Waterloo. Perhaps someone with the current NFM might be
so kind as to investigate?

At Vauxhall the ticket machine offered me a fare to New Malden
based on the zone 2 to zone 4 fare - so this will not be from
London stations.

Another linked issue for me - I have an annual travelcard which is
zones 5 and 6 - so I've been buying tickets to Vauxhall from New
Malden - as this is in zone 4 - SWT clerks have happily sold me 3
tickets this way this year - however for the latest ticket the
clerk said that I need to get a ticket from Berrylands which is in
zone 5 - as he said that my zonal pass is not valid from the
boundry of zone 5 to the first zone 4 station. I suspect he may be
right until the new fares become truly zonal - any guidance
anywhere on this please?

Surely you should be buying a Boundary Zone 5 ticket to Vauxhall?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Nicks) wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
ps.com...
Nicks wrote:

Now resolved - SWT clerk must have done his homework and managed
to sell me a ticket only to Vauxhall, not London Stations yesterday.

Interesting. I sometimes travel out from Vauxhall, where I've
always been sold a ticket from "London Terminals", though I haven't
yet made any such journey this year.

If it's a return ticket then it's useful to have the facility to
travel back to Waterloo, either because the train doesn't stop at
Vauxhall or because that's where I'm heading. I shall see what I'm
sold in the future - perhaps it'll be from Vauxhall for shorter
journeys/those in the zones, and from "London Terminals" for longer
journeys/those outside the zones, as perhaps for such longer
journeys there still isn't a price differential between going from
Vauxhall or Waterloo. Perhaps someone with the current NFM might be
so kind as to investigate?

At Vauxhall the ticket machine offered me a fare to New Malden
based on the zone 2 to zone 4 fare - so this will not be from
London stations.

Another linked issue for me - I have an annual travelcard which is
zones 5 and 6 - so I've been buying tickets to Vauxhall from New
Malden - as this is in zone 4 - SWT clerks have happily sold me 3
tickets this way this year - however for the latest ticket the
clerk said that I need to get a ticket from Berrylands which is in
zone 5 - as he said that my zonal pass is not valid from the
boundry of zone 5 to the first zone 4 station. I suspect he may be
right until the new fares become truly zonal - any guidance
anywhere on this please?

Surely you should be buying a Boundary Zone 5 ticket to Vauxhall?


I agree with your idea that the OP should be issued with a Boundary
Zone ticket to Vauxhall - though it would be from Boundary Zone 4, not
Zone 5 - the zone boundary in ticketing termonology being defined as
the zone's outer boundary in terms of expanding concentric rings from
the centre. It's confusing maybe, given that logic would suggest all
the zones (apart from zone 1) have two boundaries, but that's just how
it is!

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"Mizter T" wrote in message
oups.com...
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Nicks) wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
ps.com...
Nicks wrote:

Now resolved - SWT clerk must have done his homework and managed
to sell me a ticket only to Vauxhall, not London Stations yesterday.

Interesting. I sometimes travel out from Vauxhall, where I've
always been sold a ticket from "London Terminals", though I haven't
yet made any such journey this year.

If it's a return ticket then it's useful to have the facility to
travel back to Waterloo, either because the train doesn't stop at
Vauxhall or because that's where I'm heading. I shall see what I'm
sold in the future - perhaps it'll be from Vauxhall for shorter
journeys/those in the zones, and from "London Terminals" for longer
journeys/those outside the zones, as perhaps for such longer
journeys there still isn't a price differential between going from
Vauxhall or Waterloo. Perhaps someone with the current NFM might be
so kind as to investigate?

At Vauxhall the ticket machine offered me a fare to New Malden
based on the zone 2 to zone 4 fare - so this will not be from
London stations.

Another linked issue for me - I have an annual travelcard which is
zones 5 and 6 - so I've been buying tickets to Vauxhall from New
Malden - as this is in zone 4 - SWT clerks have happily sold me 3
tickets this way this year - however for the latest ticket the
clerk said that I need to get a ticket from Berrylands which is in
zone 5 - as he said that my zonal pass is not valid from the
boundry of zone 5 to the first zone 4 station. I suspect he may be
right until the new fares become truly zonal - any guidance
anywhere on this please?

Surely you should be buying a Boundary Zone 5 ticket to Vauxhall?


I agree with your idea that the OP should be issued with a Boundary
Zone ticket to Vauxhall - though it would be from Boundary Zone 4, not
Zone 5 - the zone boundary in ticketing termonology being defined as
the zone's outer boundary in terms of expanding concentric rings from
the centre. It's confusing maybe, given that logic would suggest all
the zones (apart from zone 1) have two boundaries, but that's just how
it is!

Thanks for the comments - SWT clerk said there were no fares for boundary of
zones
"inwards" to London in the ticket machine.

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Nicks wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
oups.com...

I agree with your idea that the OP should be issued with a Boundary
Zone ticket to Vauxhall - though it would be from Boundary Zone 4, not
Zone 5 - the zone boundary in ticketing termonology being defined as
the zone's outer boundary in terms of expanding concentric rings from
the centre. It's confusing maybe, given that logic would suggest all
the zones (apart from zone 1) have two boundaries, but that's just how
it is!


Thanks for the comments - SWT clerk said there were no fares for boundary of
zones "inwards" to London in the ticket machine.

AIUI tickets are available *from* zone boundaries only, not *to* zone
boundaries, but that it does not matter whether the direction is towards
London or outwards. For example, you can buy a ticket from boundary zone
2 to Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to boundary zone 2 or you can buy
a ticket from boundary zone 5 to Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to
boundary zone 5.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof

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In article , ess
(Olof Lagerkvist) wrote:

AIUI tickets are available *from* zone boundaries only, not *to*
zone boundaries, but that it does not matter whether the direction
is towards London or outwards. For example, you can buy a ticket
from boundary zone 2 to Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to
boundary zone 2 or you can buy a ticket from boundary zone 5 to
Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to boundary zone 5.

What does this have to do with the OP's problem? He wants a ticket from
BZ4 to Vauxhall.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:27:05 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

Thanks for the comments - SWT clerk said there were no fares for boundary of
zones "inwards" to London in the ticket machine.

AIUI tickets are available *from* zone boundaries only, not *to* zone
boundaries, but that it does not matter whether the direction is towards
London or outwards.

It does matter - there don't exist any fares "inwards" from Boundary
Zones.

Zonal fares - London stations
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article , ess
(Olof Lagerkvist) wrote:

AIUI tickets are available *from* zone boundaries only, not *to*
zone boundaries, but that it does not matter whether the direction
is towards London or outwards. For example, you can buy a ticket
from boundary zone 2 to Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to
boundary zone 2 or you can buy a ticket from boundary zone 5 to
Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to boundary zone 5.

What does this have to do with the OP's problem? He wants a ticket from
BZ4 to Vauxhall.


Despite one or two previous posters claiming to have bought such a ticket,
other regular posts from ticketing gurus such as Barry Salter, and reference
to the NR fares manual, indicate that a ticket from a boundary zone inwards
does not exist.

Paul S

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In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
ess (Olof Lagerkvist) wrote:

AIUI tickets are available *from* zone boundaries only, not *to*
zone boundaries, but that it does not matter whether the
direction is towards London or outwards. For example, you can buy a
ticket from boundary zone 2 to Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to
boundary zone 2 or you can buy a ticket from boundary zone 5 to
Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to boundary zone 5.

What does this have to do with the OP's problem? He wants a
ticket from BZ4 to Vauxhall.

Despite one or two previous posters claiming to have bought such a
ticket, other regular posts from ticketing gurus such as Barry
Salter, and reference to the NR fares manual, indicate that a
ticket from a boundary zone inwards does not exist.

So how is someone with an outer zones travelcard who wants to go inwards
supposed to do?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:

What does this have to do with the OP's problem? He wants a
ticket from BZ4 to Vauxhall.

Despite one or two previous posters claiming to have bought such a
ticket, other regular posts from ticketing gurus such as Barry
Salter, and reference to the NR fares manual, indicate that a
ticket from a boundary zone inwards does not exist.

So how is someone with an outer zones travelcard who wants to go inwards
supposed to do?

Buy a point-to-point ticket that starts from the last station in the
last zone that their Travelcard is valid in.

Zonal fares - London stations
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article , ess
(Olof Lagerkvist) wrote:


AIUI tickets are available *from* zone boundaries only, not *to*
zone boundaries, but that it does not matter whether the direction
is towards London or outwards. For example, you can buy a ticket
from boundary zone 2 to Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to
boundary zone 2 or you can buy a ticket from boundary zone 5 to
Wimbledon but not from Wimbledon to boundary zone 5.


What does this have to do with the OP's problem? He wants a ticket from
BZ4 to Vauxhall.

Just examples along a railway line about what kind of zone boundary
tickets it was possible to buy, but both me and Mizter T had got that
wrong anyway, there are no inbound zone boundary tickets available,
thanks asdf for correcting that.

The only zone boundary tickets available are from an outer boundary of a
zone outwards from London. So in this case, with a Travelcard for Z5-6
it is not possible to buy a zone boundary ticket to Vauxhall because
that is a journey towards central London.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof