http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...t-onthemap.pdf

looking good? criticism welcome

This is a relatively old map, and it's also quite a strange map since
it's somewhere between the "London Connections" and the "Tube map",
showing the Croydon tramlink, Thameslink and Crossrail but not other
railways.
There's a few things that are definitely not going to happen.
Shoreditch is closed and will stay closed, the West London tram is very
unlikely, and the East London Line will be named Overground.
The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then, the Bakerloo
extended back to Watford Junction and the old Watford station would be
closed. Those are all much more likely projects than some of the ones
on this map.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, sweek wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

the Bakerloo extended back to Watford Junction

Yes, i'm really surprised that isn't shown.

and the old Watford station would be closed.

AIUI, the latest thinking is that it will stay open, although it'll
probably get Mill Hill Easted.

This map (the copy i have, anyway) is missing the new stops at Park Royal
on the Central and Wood Lane on the H&C, too, which is rather surprising
given that they're due very soon.

tom

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:32:14 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

the Bakerloo extended back to Watford Junction

Yes, i'm really surprised that isn't shown.

The map is a few years old - from long before Bakerloo to WJ was
confirmed.

This map (the copy i have, anyway) is missing the new stops at Park Royal
on the Central and Wood Lane on the H&C, too, which is rather surprising
given that they're due very soon.

Park Royal (Central) is due very soon? I haven't heard anything on
this project for years, and would have assumed it's been postponed
indefinitely if not quietly dropped altogether.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, asdf wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:32:14 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

the Bakerloo extended back to Watford Junction

Yes, i'm really surprised that isn't shown.

The map is a few years old - from long before Bakerloo to WJ was
confirmed.

There's more speculative stuff than that that is shown, though. Or did
this idea develop particularly quickly?

This map (the copy i have, anyway) is missing the new stops at Park Royal
on the Central and Wood Lane on the H&C, too, which is rather surprising
given that they're due very soon.

Park Royal (Central) is due very soon? I haven't heard anything on this
project for years, and would have assumed it's been postponed
indefinitely if not quietly dropped altogether.

Oh, i had the impression things were being done. I may well be completely
mistaken - there's a lot going on out west, and i don't tend to pay all
that much attention to it!

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, asdf wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:32:14 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

the Bakerloo extended back to Watford Junction

Yes, i'm really surprised that isn't shown.

The map is a few years old - from long before Bakerloo to WJ was
confirmed.

There's more speculative stuff than that that is shown, though. Or did
this idea develop particularly quickly?

Whilst the Bakerloo northern extension has been on the cards tentatively
for a while, the announcement that TfL would take over the Watford DC
line was the catalyst for it to go forward more definitely. The map is
pre-announcement (it still shows it as Silverlink Metro, and omits
through connections at Willesden Junction and Gospel Oak.

This map (the copy i have, anyway) is missing the new stops at Park
Royal
on the Central and Wood Lane on the H&C, too, which is rather surprising
given that they're due very soon.

Park Royal (Central) is due very soon? I haven't heard anything on
this project for years, and would have assumed it's been postponed
indefinitely if not quietly dropped altogether.

Oh, i had the impression things were being done. I may well be
completely mistaken - there's a lot going on out west, and i don't tend
to pay all that much attention to it!

Unfortunately nothing has happened with Park Royal. AIUI the
construction of the station is tied into planning consent conditions
related to occupancy of the buildings in the adjacent development (i.e.
once occupancy hits a certain percentage, the station must be built) and
the conditions haven't been met yet.

Wood Lane is more advanced than Park Royal (in that it is required for
the shopping centre) - although last time I looked in December, no
physical works had started.

Shepherd's Bush (WLL) will almost certainly be the next new station to
open in London - construction is nearing completion and I hear that
Network Rail are keen to get the station operating as soon as possible
(probably the second quarter of this calendar year).


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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, sweek wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

It's mentioned in Transport 2025, see page 88 among others.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/pdf/T2025-new.pdf
In the timeline on page 119 it says that the Northern Line upgrade
should happen before 2012. It requires a redesign of Camden Town
station, but that will definitely have to happen anyway.

I can't find it on Alwaystouchout.com (yet)?

sweek wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, sweek wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

It's mentioned in Transport 2025, see page 88 among others.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/pdf/T2025-new.pdf
In the timeline on page 119 it says that the Northern Line upgrade
should happen before 2012. It requires a redesign of Camden Town
station, but that will definitely have to happen anyway.

I can't find it on Alwaystouchout.com (yet)?

The Northern line will be getting new signalling and a new control
centre, which is the upgrade mentioned, but looking at the Transport
2025 document it appears that the splitting of the line is a
longer-term proposal more in the planning stage at present.

You guys are confusing the Tube map (LU + DLR + North London Line)
with the Connections map, showing all passenger raill ines in London.
TfL has also released a 2010 Tube Map earlier this year, clearly
showing that the whole Overground would appear on the map in orange.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/pdf/tube_map2010.pdf
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground

sweek wrote:
the East London Line will be named Overground.

Is it going to stay on the Tube map?

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