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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:14:16 -0000, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Date: 23.01.07 Release: Immediate Title: West London Tram Could Put Council Tax up £315 This is the first I've heard of the Tram being funded by a Council Tax increase. Won't it just be paid for out of existing transport budgets? The Tram is also unpopular; a survey conducted by Ipsos MORI on behalf of Transport for London showed a majority of residents opposed the scheme. 53% do not believe they would derive any benefit at all from the Tram. Just because you don't derive any benefit from something doesn't mean you're opposed to it. I don't receive any personal benefit from the public funding of most of the bus routes in London (or of ScotRail, or disability benefit), but that doesn't mean I'm opposed to them. "This tram will cause misery for commuters by effectively closing down Uxbridge Road. Only if "effectively closing down" means the same as "keeping open to buses, trams, cycles, pedestrians, and emergency vehicles throughout, and closing to cars only at one point, while increasing the capacity of the road by widening pinch points". And why would commuters be miserable that their journey by Tram is faster than was previously ever possible (by bus or car)? Notes to editors: 1. Transport for London's Survey in 2006 showed that 46% of residents opposed the West London Tram. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/trams/download...tober-2006.pdf. Why do they point this out? It appears to be the same survey they referred to above, and therefore contradicts what they claimed! 3. The £315 figure is based on a £1bn estimate for the build cost, What method did they use to come up with this estimate? This is more than double the official estimate for the cost (£463m). The budgeted cost, which includes a 40% risk premium, is £648m. The main anti-tram website, Save Ealing's Streets, doesn't dispute the official figure. Given that they don't say, and the co-incidence that it's such a round figure, unless further clarification arrives I can only assume that they used the pull-a-figure-out-of-your-arse-to-make-a-nice-headline method. Date: 24.01.07 Release: Immediate Declaration of War Against the West London Tram Think about what could be achieved with £1bn: more police, better public services or a reduction is council tax: isn't it a waste to throw all this money away on one white elephant transport scheme. Right. So while the previous press release claimed that the Tram would be entirely funded by a big Council Tax increase, this one (from the same people) suggests that binning the project will leave a £1bn surplus kicking around, which would be freely available to spend on other public services or to give a reduction in Council Tax. They're not doing their credibility any favours here. |
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asdf wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:14:16 -0000, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Date: 23.01.07 Release: Immediate Title: West London Tram Could Put Council Tax up £315 This is the first I've heard of the Tram being funded by a Council Tax increase. Won't it just be paid for out of existing transport budgets? Quite - it's just a headline-grabbing figure. AIUI, funding for WLT would probably need to be negotiated with central government as part of the next investment plan, which, as now, will involve a combination of TfL revenues, central government grant, Mayor's precept and borrowing secured against future revenues. It could also potentially involve other funds like TIF (Transport Innovation Fund), which would be connected to other travel demand management projects. The article assumes that the entire scheme would be funded out of the Mayor's precept, which is not true. (snip) Notes to editors: 1. Transport for London's Survey in 2006 showed that 46% of residents opposed the West London Tram. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/trams/download...tober-2006.pdf. Why do they point this out? It appears to be the same survey they referred to above, and therefore contradicts what they claimed! The poll and consultation figures are constantly tossed around from side to side in the WLT debate, and have all become fairly meaningless - the only real conclusion one can draw is that opinion is quite evenly mixed. One could also conclude that the opponents are much more vocal than the supporters. Until recently, the media consistently accused TfL and the Mayor of manipulating the support figures for the tram - because the majority of respondents to the public consultation opposed the tram, but an independent poll showed a much more mixed opinion. The poll was a much more reliable method of gauging public opinion (people opposed to something are always more likely to voice their opinion than those who support it - look at Cross River Tram where polls put support in the nineties but media coverage is still focused on opposition issues). 3. The £315 figure is based on a £1bn estimate for the build cost, What method did they use to come up with this estimate? This is more than double the official estimate for the cost (£463m). The budgeted cost, which includes a 40% risk premium, is £648m. The main anti-tram website, Save Ealing's Streets, doesn't dispute the official figure. Given that they don't say, and the co-incidence that it's such a round figure, unless further clarification arrives I can only assume that they used the pull-a-figure-out-of-your-arse-to-make-a-nice-headline method. I'm sure they did. They may have a point because these costs tend to inflate anyway, but I'd be very sceptical of this figure until I saw some supporting calculations (e.g. a comparison with cost overruns for other UK light rail schemes). Date: 24.01.07 Release: Immediate Declaration of War Against the West London Tram Think about what could be achieved with £1bn: more police, better public services or a reduction is council tax: isn't it a waste to throw all this money away on one white elephant transport scheme. Right. So while the previous press release claimed that the Tram would be entirely funded by a big Council Tax increase, this one (from the same people) suggests that binning the project will leave a £1bn surplus kicking around, which would be freely available to spend on other public services or to give a reduction in Council Tax. They're not doing their credibility any favours here. You're right about the "money kicking around". Since a significant proportion of the scheme cost could come from central government, the likelihood would be that the "spare" money would be spent elsewhere in the country. Such money would probably be in the DfT's budget, so it would never get spent on tax reductions, police or any public services other than transport. -- Dave Arquati www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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