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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
The reason I'm asking is I'm having second thoughts now. It looks very unspectacular, really just another platform in the main railway station with LU logos. They could well have relocated the platform used by Underground trains in all those years. Or is it still the original place? Yes and no. One face is still the original. When the line was built there were connections with the national rail network, for through running from the Great Western suburban stations. The four platforms in the suburban station were allocated slightly differently. In the 1960s the national rail connections were removed and the opportunity was taken to alter the platform allocations, so that the Underground platforms were entirely separate from the suburban platforms. This was effected by moving the Underground (which used to use the middle two platforms) across by one track, so that it used the two faces of the northernmost island platform - the present arrangement. Cutting back the suburban bays slightly also allowed a walkway from the end of the northernmost mainline platform onto the suburban platforms to be created, reducing movements on the footbridge. |
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Jack Taylor wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote: The reason I'm asking is I'm having second thoughts now. It looks very unspectacular, really just another platform in the main railway station with LU logos. They could well have relocated the platform used by Underground trains in all those years. Or is it still the original place? Yes and no. One face is still the original. When the line was built there were connections with the national rail network, for through running from the Great Western suburban stations. The four platforms in the suburban station were allocated slightly differently. In the 1960s the national rail connections were removed and the opportunity was taken to alter the platform allocations, so that the Underground platforms were entirely separate from the suburban platforms. This was effected by moving the Underground (which used to use the middle two platforms) across by one track, so that it used the two faces of the northernmost island platform - the present arrangement. Cutting back the suburban bays slightly also allowed a walkway from the end of the northernmost mainline platform onto the suburban platforms to be created, reducing movements on the footbridge. There have probably been changes to the platform buildings too since 1863. The Circle Line platforms at Baker Street give a better flavour of the original look of the 1863 line. For example, ... http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?54084 -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In message , Richard J.
writes The Circle Line platforms at Baker Street give a better flavour of the original look of the 1863 line. For example, ... http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?54084 And it is interesting to compare that photo with this 1863 engraving: http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/r...g=2&imagepos=1 -- Paul Terry |
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Richard J. writes The Circle Line platforms at Baker Street give a better flavour of the original look of the 1863 line. For example, ... http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?54084 And it is interesting to compare that photo with this 1863 engraving: http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/r...g=2&imagepos=1 Brilliant! Two observations, though: (1) Next train displays are a good idea (2) Gignormous skirts are a good idea And a question: why do there not appear to be any sleepers in the old engraving? tom -- everything is temporary |
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On 10 Feb, 19:57, Tom Anderson wrote:
And a question: why do there not appear to be any sleepers in the old engraving? Because it's mixed gauge track, standard 4' 8.5" standard and 7' 0.25" Great Western Broad Gauge. The GWR originally laid their rails on longitudinal baulks of timber, with timber transoms and metal tie-bars at intervals to hold them to the correct gauge. This form of track construction is sometimes still used; I saw it in Paddington Station a few years ago, and it's also sometimes used on bridges, possibly to reduce the weight. There's a picture of the mixed gauge trackwork at Didcot at the bottom of this page: http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.u...ormation.shtml You can clearly see the construction of the trackwork. I did some of the work on this track, about twenty years ago now. |
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On Feb 10, 7:57 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Richard J. writes The Circle Line platforms at Baker Street give a better flavour of the original look of the 1863 line. For example, ... http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?54084 And it is interesting to compare that photo with this 1863 engraving: http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/r...302139&wwwflag... Brilliant! Two observations, though: (1) Next train displays are a good idea (2) Gignormous skirts are a good idea And a question: why do there not appear to be any sleepers in the old engraving? tom -- everything is temporary Did not the Metropolitian Railway origionally have broad gauge track as well as standard guage? Broad gauge used longitudinal sleepers. Peter |
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"Richard J." wrote When the line was built there were connections with the national rail network, for through running from the Great Western suburban stations. The four platforms in the suburban station were allocated slightly differently. In the 1960s the national rail connections were removed and the opportunity was taken to alter the platform allocations, so that the Underground platforms were entirely separate from the suburban platforms. This was effected by moving the Underground (which used to use the middle two platforms) across by one track, so that it used the two faces of the northernmost island platform - the present arrangement. Cutting back the suburban bays slightly also allowed a walkway from the end of the northernmost mainline platform onto the suburban platforms to be created, reducing movements on the footbridge. That's not quite right. The Underground used the *outer* two platforms (13 & 16) but now use the northernmost island (15 & 16). |
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John Salmon wrote:
That's not quite right. The Underground used the *outer* two platforms (13 & 16) but now use the northernmost island (15 & 16). Whoops! That was mistake, not Richard's, John. The dangers of posting when tired - I should have re-read the posting first (in all honesty I did spot the mistake when someone posted a reply - but I thought that I'd got away with it). ;-) Evidence of the old arrangement is, of course, still quite clear at Paddington. By standing on the suburban island you can clearly still see the formation from the buffer stops at platform 13 across what is now the walkway into the mainline station. |
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On Feb 10, 6:17 am, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote: The reason I'm asking is I'm having second thoughts now. It looks very unspectacular, really just another platform in the main railway station with LU logos. They could well have relocated the platform used by Underground trains in all those years. Or is it still the original place? Yes and no. One face is still the original. When the line was built there were connections with the national rail network, for through running from the Great Western suburban stations. The four platforms in the suburban station were allocated slightly differently. In the 1960s the national rail connections were removed and the opportunity was taken to alter the platform allocations, so that the Underground platforms were entirely separate from the suburban platforms. This was effected by moving the Underground (which used to use the middle two platforms) across by one track, so that it used the two faces of the northernmost island platform - the present arrangement. Cutting back the suburban bays slightly also allowed a walkway from the end of the northernmost mainline platform onto the suburban platforms to be created, reducing movements on the footbridge. - But destroying the convenience of crossplatform interchange with the Underground. Adrian |
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