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Interesting story in the media about temperatures on public transport on
Wednesday 'the hottest day (so far)'. It appears the tube is actually cooler than mainline trains (except those lovely C2C trains) or the top of a double-decker bus, which was hottest. Perhaps people should be complaining more about getting air-conditioning for buses, where the extra space could be found, rather than moaning about how hot the tube is? |
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"Robin Mayes" wrote the following in:
Interesting story in the media about temperatures on public transport on Wednesday 'the hottest day (so far)'. It appears the tube is actually cooler than mainline trains (except those lovely C2C trains) or the top of a double-decker bus, which was hottest. Those C2C trains really are great. Until recently I used them every day, and it was wonderful to step out of an uncomfortably hot day and into a nice cool, shady train. I can definitely imagine that the top of a double-decker bus is the hottest. I was in one on tuesday and I could hardly breathe. I must say it wasn't helped at all when some idiot sprayed some deodorant around on the bus. -- message by Robin May, founder of International Boyism "Would Inspector Sands please go to the Operations Room immediately." Unofficially immune to hangovers. |
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"Joe Patrick" wrote in message ... Its a shame the Cab air con doesnt work as well as in the passenger compartments. Thank god for windows! Ctrl-Alt-Del? Noticed one of the C2C ticket machines the other day in trouble, one of the options was "Exit to Windows". |
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CJG writes
It appears the tube is actually cooler than mainline trains I think thousands of people would disagree with that. Depends how wedged the train is at the time you measure the temperature. -- Dave |
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:27:46 +0100 Robin Mayes
said... Perhaps people should be complaining more about getting air-conditioning for buses, where the extra space could be found, rather than moaning about how hot the tube is? My complaint about most modern double deck buses is not so much lack of air conditioning, but larger windows with very little ventilation. Effectively they are greenhouses on wheels... On the subject of the tube, the "In this hot weather" posters mention that "long term solutions are being looked in to. I know the engineers all seem to respond with the usual "Oh no, we can't possible do that" statement as soon as the subject of air conditioning on the tube is uttered, but perhaps LUL can up date us on what these "long term solutions" exactly are. -- Phil Richards London, N4 |
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Phil Richards writes
On the subject of the tube, the "In this hot weather" posters mention that "long term solutions are being looked in to. I know the engineers all seem to respond with the usual "Oh no, we can't possible do that" statement as soon as the subject of air conditioning on the tube is uttered, but perhaps LUL can up date us on what these "long term solutions" exactly are. There were quiet a few stories regarding this in the press during the last hot period we had this summer. "London Mayor Ken Livingstone has offered a GBP100,000 reward for anyone who can invent an air conditioning system for the Tube" http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/l...ONTRANSPORTHea ttu11tubeairc "Air conditioning will be fitted on Tube trains but not for another 10 years." http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...Evening%20Stan dard -- Dave |
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congokid writes
I'm sure when I was in Sydney some years ago the train doors stayed open between stops to enhance ventilation. Anyone back this up? Not this year. All but the oldest trains have air-con - on the older trains, you just get hot. -- Dave |
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:07:38 +0100, Phil Richards
wrote: My complaint about most modern double deck buses is not so much lack of air conditioning, but larger windows with very little ventilation. Effectively they are greenhouses on wheels... Agreed. I've always wondered why - apart from cheapo bus companies - they don't have openers fitted to all windows... A return to the idea of having opening front windows on the top deck would also be good - even if they're hoppers rather than sliding windows in order to avoid anything flying in. Neil |
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Robin Mayes wrote:
"Joe Patrick" wrote in message ... Its a shame the Cab air con doesnt work as well as in the passenger compartments. Thank god for windows! Ctrl-Alt-Del? Noticed one of the C2C ticket machines the other day in trouble, one of the options was "Exit to Windows". Well at least it was in English! I remember hearing some years ago about a newly installed ATM machine at a bank in Newcastle where the screen just said C: -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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congokid wrote:
In article , Robin Mayes writes Interesting story in the media about temperatures on public transport on Wednesday 'the hottest day (so far)'. It appears the tube is actually cooler than mainline trains (except those lovely C2C trains) or the top of a double-decker bus, which was hottest. Perhaps people should be complaining more about getting air-conditioning for buses, where the extra space could be found, rather than moaning about how hot the tube is? I'm sure when I was in Sydney some years ago the train doors stayed open between stops to enhance ventilation. Certainly true on my first visit in 1970. I seem to remember a photo in Modern Railways earlier this year of the same thing in the south of France. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In article , Phil Richards
writes On the subject of the tube, the "In this hot weather" posters mention that "long term solutions are being looked in to. I know the engineers all seem to respond with the usual "Oh no, we can't possible do that" statement as soon as the subject of air conditioning on the tube is uttered, but perhaps LUL can up date us on what these "long term solutions" exactly are. The tube has 2 issues when it come to air con. 1. The stations 2. The trains Many of the stations are deep underground and you have to disperse the heat and moisture somewhere. That could mean running literally miles of pipes from the a/c units to street level or the nearest vent. Large volumes of air being forced through the tunnels by the trains makes this even more difficult as the air shifts around a lot. My solution would be to put a large number of moderate size ac units above head height on the platforms and have them running 24/7 in this hot weather. Whilst it would not totally cool the platforms it would help. However there are a number of drawbacks to this including increasing the fire spread due to the air currents and the space these units would take up (not every station would be suitable I expect). You then have to get rid of the heat and moisture taken from the air and that means pipe work or drains or vents and probably all 3! On trains you have to site the units somewhere. On stock on the Picc and Northern etc it may be difficult to fins the space - possibly easier on the Met style stock where there is more space. However, as with the stations what do you do with the heat and moisture to disperse it? On open sections of track it wouldn't be a problem, in tunnels it would! Tracking to busses, putting ac on a bus is relatively simple as they are in the open for heat dispersion. Busses in both Hong Kong and Singapore have ac units on the rear or the roof. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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Andrew P Smith wrote:
In article , Phil Richards writes On the subject of the tube, the "In this hot weather" posters mention that "long term solutions are being looked in to. I know the engineers all seem to respond with the usual "Oh no, we can't possible do that" statement as soon as the subject of air conditioning on the tube is uttered, but perhaps LUL can up date us on what these "long term solutions" exactly are. The tube has 2 issues when it come to air con. 1. The stations 2. The trains snip On trains you have to site the units somewhere. On stock on the Picc and Northern etc it may be difficult to fins the space - possibly easier on the Met style stock where there is more space. However, as with the stations what do you do with the heat and moisture to disperse it? On open sections of track it wouldn't be a problem, in tunnels it would! The Singapore Metro has air-conditioned trains and stations. Do you know how the heat and moisture from the trains is handled? Is it just dumped in the stations for the station aircon to deal with? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In article , Richard J.
writes Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Phil Richards writes On the subject of the tube, the "In this hot weather" posters mention that "long term solutions are being looked in to. I know the engineers all seem to respond with the usual "Oh no, we can't possible do that" statement as soon as the subject of air conditioning on the tube is uttered, but perhaps LUL can up date us on what these "long term solutions" exactly are. The tube has 2 issues when it come to air con. 1. The stations 2. The trains snip On trains you have to site the units somewhere. On stock on the Picc and Northern etc it may be difficult to fins the space - possibly easier on the Met style stock where there is more space. However, as with the stations what do you do with the heat and moisture to disperse it? On open sections of track it wouldn't be a problem, in tunnels it would! The Singapore Metro has air-conditioned trains and stations. Do you know how the heat and moisture from the trains is handled? Is it just dumped in the stations for the station aircon to deal with? I imagine they designed the system with ac in mind. When the underground was built, it was never considered and may not have even existed then! In New York City, the trains have ac and they dump the heat into the tunnels which are well vented. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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Andrew P Smith writes
In New York City, the trains have ac and they dump the heat into the tunnels which are well vented. Not only are the tunnels much bigger than the tube but they are also much shallower - so that the many gratings in the roadway can be used to vent hot air. -- Dave |
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Terry Harper writes
My complaint about most modern double deck buses is not so much lack of air conditioning, but larger windows with very little ventilation. Effectively they are greenhouses on wheels... The problem never existed when they had half-drop windows at the front of the top deck. Even Routemasters don't have those. You'll have to go all the way back to the RT bus (a pre-WWII design) to get half-drop windows at the front of the top-deck. -- Dave |
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:43:28 +0100, CJG
wrote: In message , Robin Mayes writes It appears the tube is actually cooler than mainline trains I think thousands of people would disagree with that. Clearly that doesn't include the people I work with, most of whom have remarked that the deep Tube lines at least are noticably cooler compared to the wave of heat that hits you when you exit. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War: http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm 625-Online - classic British television: http://www.625.org.uk 'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic: http://www.thingstocome.org.uk |
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:26:58 +0100 Dave wrote:
} } There were quiet a few stories regarding this in the press during the } last hot period we had this summer. } } "London Mayor Ken Livingstone has offered a GBP100,000 reward for anyone } who can invent an air conditioning system for the Tube" } http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/l...ONTRANSPORTHea } ttu11tubeairc "the page you have requested is currently unavailable. Please try again." Anyway it seems daft. Air cooling the tube (trains and all) doesn't need "inventing", it needs "paying for". Matthew -- Il est important d'être un homme ou une femme en colère; le jour où nous quitte la colère, ou le désir, c'est cuit. - Barbara http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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Dave wrote:
Terry Harper writes The problem never existed when they had half-drop windows at the front of the top deck. Even Routemasters don't have those. You'll have to go all the way back to the RT bus (a pre-WWII design) to get half-drop windows at the front of the top-deck. And what'swrong with that? Do RM drivers' windscreens still open? Colin McKenzie |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... Terry Harper writes My complaint about most modern double deck buses is not so much lack of air conditioning, but larger windows with very little ventilation. Effectively they are greenhouses on wheels... The problem never existed when they had half-drop windows at the front of the top deck. Even Routemasters don't have those. You'll have to go all the way back to the RT bus (a pre-WWII design) to get half-drop windows at the front of the top-deck. -- Dave The first 50 Routemasters produced didn't have drop front windows, but the rest did, as it was found that the ventilation system was inadequate in hot weather. |
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Matthew Malthouse writes
} http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/l...ONTRANSPORTHea } ttu11tubeairc "the page you have requested is currently unavailable. Please try again." Oh well, it was taken from a post a few weeks ago and was working then. -- Dave |
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"K" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:43:28 +0100, CJG wrote: In message , Robin Mayes writes It appears the tube is actually cooler than mainline trains I think thousands of people would disagree with that. Well my journey home incldes the Jubilee line and a mainline train from Waterloo - the Jubilee line isn't too bad but the M/L train is like an oven! Although the new trains on the Reading line from Waterloo are like a fridge. Lovely! |
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In article , 505
writes Although the new trains on the Reading line from Waterloo are like a fridge. Lovely! My office is like a fridge. I keep a cardigan I bought before xmas over the chair back so I can keep warm. There's even an 'office jumper' for anyone who forgets to bring something cosy to wear. It's nice going outside on the street at lunch to defrost my toes. -- congokid Eating out in London? Read my tips... http://congokid.com |
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In New York City, the trains have ac and they dump the heat into the
tunnels which are well vented. Not only are the tunnels much bigger than the tube but they are also much shallower - so that the many gratings in the roadway can be used to vent hot air. I really know next to nothing about air-con systems, but I take it the moisture in the air is condensed somewhere and collected as water - am I about right? Why not, then, have a system of pipes on each train, and a big tank at the end to collect the water, which would be emptied out at various times during the day (whilst stopped at stations - surely they could implement such a system?). The heat, of course, is another issue. Peter |
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AstraVanMan writes I really know next to nothing about air-con systems, but I take it the moisture in the air is condensed somewhere and collected as water - am I about right? Correct. Why not, then, have a system of pipes on each train, and a big tank at the end to collect the water, which would be emptied out at various times during the day (whilst stopped at stations - surely they could implement such a system?). Where would you site the dehumidifier? It's not the size of a matchbox for the amount of work required. Where would the pipes run between the carriages? You want to build in infrastructure to empty water tanks in platforms? Who's job would it be to empty the tanks? Myriad of problems fitting it to existing stock. I saw start with the stations - at least there would be a blast of cold air into the carriage at each stop and the technology is more or less off the shelf. Still doesn't get round the space problem I mentioned earlier. The heat, of course, is another issue. Sure is........ -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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does anyone know if any underground train/public transport systems in Europe
are air conditioned? "HDF is the best." wrote in message om... (Nick Cooper) wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:43:28 +0100, CJG wrote: In message , Robin Mayes writes It appears the tube is actually cooler than mainline trains I think thousands of people would disagree with that. Clearly that doesn't include the people I work with, most of whom have remarked that the deep Tube lines at least are noticably cooler compared to the wave of heat that hits you when you exit. -- like the opinion of half a dozen nhs pen-pushers matters, you fat ****. |
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HDF is the best. wrote:
(Nick Cooper) Clearly that doesn't include the people I work with, most of whom have remarked that the deep Tube lines at least are noticably cooler compared to the wave of heat that hits you when you exit. -- like the opinion of half a dozen nhs pen-pushers matters, you fat ****. Is thee anything in the previous post to justify such a response? |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ... Cast_Iron wrote: HDF is the best. wrote: (Nick Cooper) Clearly that doesn't include the people I work with, most of whom have remarked that the deep Tube lines at least are noticably cooler compared to the wave of heat that hits you when you exit. -- like the opinion of half a dozen nhs pen-pushers matters, you fat ****. Is thee anything in the previous post to justify such a response? It's a private feud between them, apparently, that's reached here from rec.arts.drwho OK |
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In article , j
writes does anyone know if any underground train/public transport systems in Europe are air conditioned? The stations on the Helsinki underground are, Stockholm too IIRC. Lisbon underground stations certainly are. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:08:30 +0100, Andrew P Smith
wrote: The stations on the Helsinki underground are, Stockholm too IIRC. Lisbon underground stations certainly are. Merseyrail (Liverpool) isn't - but for some odd reason the tunnels are always much cooler than the outside temperature. I would guess this would have to do with the loading gauge (more or less full main-line size - not to mention the hugely impressive and cavernous James St station), and possibly its position in relation to the water table providing some cooling? It is reputed that a recently-refurbished Merseyrail unit has been fitted with aircon, but I haven't seen confirmation of this so I'm not sure where it will lead. Similarly, Hamburg's U-bahn is not air-conditioned, but despite being close to the surface the stations are generally at a reasonable temperature. Neil |
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:03:17 +0100, "505"
wrote: Although the new trains on the Reading line from Waterloo are like a fridge. Lovely! Unfortunately the old sliding door trains on my line have been replaced by even olde slam dorr trains! At least it means I can sit in First class with my standard class ticket :-) |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Cast_Iron wrote: HDF is the best. wrote: (Nick Cooper) Clearly that doesn't include the people I work with, most of whom have remarked that the deep Tube lines at least are noticably cooler compared to the wave of heat that hits you when you exit. -- like the opinion of half a dozen nhs pen-pushers matters, you fat ****. Is thee anything in the previous post to justify such a response? It's a private feud between them, apparently, that's reached here from rec.arts.drwho Basically, the guy turned up on that group about a year ago, pretending to be me, for no readily apparently reason. He subsequently claimed that I "double-crossed" him over some video copying, but he's never provided any convincing evidence that I'd ever had any contact with him. He's since taken to stalking me to other newsgroups, making similar comments as above. All rather sad, really. |
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