Paul Corfield wrote:

Strictly speaking for Travelcard holders on Oyster you don't have to
touch in and out everywhere *where your ticket is valid*. It does become
important to touch in and out if you intend to use the PAYG facility
(yes it's still there on your card alongside your travelcard ticket) to
auto extend on LU (DLR doesn't count as your ticket zones covers all of
DLR).

If he starts on DLR but intends to transfer to LU for an out-of-zone
trip, surely he would want to touch in on DLR. (For instance, maybe
he's traveling from London City Airport to Heathrow Airport.)

The gates will be unable to calculate the extension fare to be
deducted if you do not record entry and exit.

Of course, if he's traveling from a point inside Z1-3 to a point outside
Z1-3, and the destination station has no gates, then he can avoid the
extension fare by "forgetting" to touch out, whether or not he touched
in at the beginning of his journey. (PAYG-only users are charged £4 if
they do the exact same thing.)
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:47:23 -0400, David of Broadway
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:

Strictly speaking for Travelcard holders on Oyster you don't have to
touch in and out everywhere *where your ticket is valid*. It does become
important to touch in and out if you intend to use the PAYG facility
(yes it's still there on your card alongside your travelcard ticket) to
auto extend on LU (DLR doesn't count as your ticket zones covers all of
DLR).

If he starts on DLR but intends to transfer to LU for an out-of-zone
trip, surely he would want to touch in on DLR. (For instance, maybe
he's traveling from London City Airport to Heathrow Airport.)

"She" actually - you are correct though about the DLR example. The
simplest message is to simply touch in an out at the entry and exit to
stations.

The gates will be unable to calculate the extension fare to be
deducted if you do not record entry and exit.

Of course, if he's traveling from a point inside Z1-3 to a point outside
Z1-3, and the destination station has no gates, then he can avoid the
extension fare by "forgetting" to touch out, whether or not he touched
in at the beginning of his journey. (PAYG-only users are charged £4 if
they do the exact same thing.)

Depends completely where the exit point is and on whose network it is.
You are describing a situation in very general terms and not correctly
distinguishing the network where the scenario you describe could apply.
The basic point here is that you are evading your fare by taking this
deliberate action. Other than that point I don't wish to get back into
this debate with you about the design of the Oyster system - we'll never
agree.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:47:23 -0400, David of Broadway
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:

Strictly speaking for Travelcard holders on Oyster you don't have to
touch in and out everywhere *where your ticket is valid*. It does become
important to touch in and out if you intend to use the PAYG facility
(yes it's still there on your card alongside your travelcard ticket) to
auto extend on LU (DLR doesn't count as your ticket zones covers all of
DLR).
If he starts on DLR but intends to transfer to LU for an out-of-zone
trip, surely he would want to touch in on DLR. (For instance, maybe
he's traveling from London City Airport to Heathrow Airport.)

"She" actually -

Whoops! Sorry, Andrea!

you are correct though about the DLR example. The
simplest message is to simply touch in an out at the entry and exit to
stations.

Agreed.

The gates will be unable to calculate the extension fare to be
deducted if you do not record entry and exit.
Of course, if he's traveling from a point inside Z1-3 to a point outside
Z1-3, and the destination station has no gates, then he can avoid the
extension fare by "forgetting" to touch out, whether or not he touched
in at the beginning of his journey. (PAYG-only users are charged £4 if
they do the exact same thing.)

Depends completely where the exit point is and on whose network it is.
You are describing a situation in very general terms and not correctly
distinguishing the network where the scenario you describe could apply.

As long as the exit point is within the zones and is PAYG-compatible,
where is my statement not accurate?

The basic point here is that you are evading your fare by taking this
deliberate action.

Indeed. And my concern (as you know by now) is that users of
Travelcards are given the benefit of the doubt while PAYG users are not.

If one inadvertently evades the fare by honestly forgetting to touch
out, what is the appropriate course of action for somebody who later
realizes his mistake and wishes to be honest?

Other than that point I don't wish to get back into
this debate with you about the design of the Oyster system - we'll never
agree.

I certainly can't dispute that!

Incidentally, I recently responded to a several-weeks-old post of yours
in the "DEcongestion zone map" thread (Message-ID:
). I don't know if you saw it.
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

David of Broadway wrote:

"She" actually -

Whoops! Sorry, Andrea!

For what it's worth, I know several people named Andrea who are male.
But none of them have a surname like Humphries!

If one inadvertently evades the fare by honestly forgetting to touch
out, what is the appropriate course of action for somebody who later
realizes his mistake and wishes to be honest?

Call the Oyster Helpdesk and have them adjust your account.
--
Michael Hoffman

In oups.com,
Andrea typed:

--
Bob