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They must have a lot of people working on that the travel information line I
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message , writes They must have a lot of people working on that the travel information line I always seem to get straight through. Apart from the day when there was loads of snow :) ITYM 020 7222 1234 We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. And so is Scotland Yard, Waterloo station, Battersea power station Selfridges, Every theatre in Covent Garden, Paddington Green, Arding and Hobbs Clapham Junction, The Bull and Bush Mayfair, The Worlds end Camden Town, Billy B of Bermondsey etc etc -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) Yours must be an 0208 number? |
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On 28-Mar-2007, "Exchange" wrote: ITYM 020 7222 1234 We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. Go to here, and search for 0207: http://tinyurl.com/354p6p "Sorry, there was no match for 0207. Please try again." How come? |
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Exchange wrote:
Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. And so is Scotland Yard, Waterloo station, Battersea power station Selfridges, Every theatre in Covent Garden, Paddington Green, Arding and Hobbs Clapham Junction, The Bull and Bush Mayfair, The Worlds end Camden Town, Billy B of Bermondsey etc etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0207_and_0208 ESB |
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"Henry" wrote in message ... On 28-Mar-2007, "Exchange" wrote: ITYM 020 7222 1234 We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. Go to here, and search for 0207: http://tinyurl.com/354p6p "Sorry, there was no match for 0207. Please try again." How come? http://tinyurl.com/2q87fa Type: 020 London has two codes 0207 and 0208 Just one example of a London 0207 number being St Thomas's hospital on South side of Westminster bridge opposite House of Parliament: http://www.guysandstthomas.nhs.uk/vi...lstthomas.aspx And this is one example of a London 0208 number scroll down to Tottenham http://www.powerleague.co.uk/location.asp |
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message , writes They must have a lot of people working on that the travel information line I always seem to get straight through. Apart from the day when there was loads of snow :) ITYM 020 7222 1234 We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. You would think that someone calling himself "Exchange" would be more knowledgeable about such things. ALL numbers in London have an area code of 020 followed by a 4-digit exchange code (which currently begins with 3, 7 or 8) followed by a 4-digit number. I'm amazed that this still needs to be explained to people 9 years after the 020 code was introduced. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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am (Exchange) wrote: Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. There's no such dialling code. I have a London number. It starts 020. As do ALL London numbers. Clue - try dialling 222 1234 -- Paul Cummins *FREE* mobile phone - http://tinyurl.com/2yw23x *0845, 0870, 070* - http://tinyurl.com/ywwdk6 *FREE* ADSL for life - http://tinyurl.com/22dlhh *PDA/Palm Insurance* - http://tinyurl.com/3y9u2r |
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On Mar 27, 4:40 pm, "Richard J." wrote:
Exchange wrote: "Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message , writes They must have a lot of people working on that the travel information line I always seem to get straight through. Apart from the day when there was loads of snow :) ITYM 020 7222 1234 We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. You would think that someone calling himself "Exchange" would be more knowledgeable about such things. ALL numbers in London have an area code of 020 followed by a 4-digit exchange code (which currently begins with 3, 7 or 8) followed by a 4-digit number. I'm amazed that this still needs to be explained to people 9 years after the 020 code was introduced. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Indeed. Ignorance has gone to seed. Some people seem to think that my number starts '00' the international access code. In point of fact it starts 9200 and is in the STD code 023 but said folks insist that the dialling code is 02392! Adrian |
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"Henry" wrote in message ... On 28-Mar-2007, "Exchange" wrote: ITYM 020 7222 1234 We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. Go to here, and search for 0207: http://tinyurl.com/354p6p "Sorry, there was no match for 0207. Please try again." How come? http://tinyurl.com/2q87fa Type: 020 London has two codes 0207 and 0208 NO! From the OFCOM site's FAQ: "Q: Since when has the London Code been 020? Arent there two London codes 0207 and 0208? A: There has only been one area code for London (020) since April 2000. In 1997, following public consultation, Oftel announced that 020 would become the code for Greater London with effect from April 2000, following 2 years of parallel running with 0171 and 0181 (ie, between 1998 and 2000). With the adoption of 020, Greater London moved from having 7-digit local numbers to having 8-digit local numbers. 8 or 7 became the first digit of the local number, depending on whether the number had previously been Inner (0171) or Outer (0181) London." Just one example of a London 0207 number being St Thomas's hospital on South side of Westminster bridge opposite House of Parliament: http://www.guysandstthomas.nhs.uk/vi...lstthomas.aspx "Tel: 020 7188 7188" And this is one example of a London 0208 number scroll down to Tottenham http://www.powerleague.co.uk/location.asp Yes, they're ignorant too. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:40:40 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: Exchange wrote: "Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message , writes They must have a lot of people working on that the travel information line I always seem to get straight through. Apart from the day when there was loads of snow :) ITYM 020 7222 1234 We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. You would think that someone calling himself "Exchange" would be more knowledgeable about such things. ALL numbers in London have an area code of 020 followed by a 4-digit exchange code (which currently begins with 3, 7 or 8) followed by a 4-digit number. I'm amazed that this still needs to be explained to people 9 years after the 020 code was introduced. My favourite is when I'm quoting my work number to a customer that also has an 020 number. I drop the dialling code and say "it's 7580" and they say "07580"... |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:50:00 +0100, Paul Cummins wrote:
I have a London number. It starts 020. As do ALL London numbers. Clue - try dialling 222 1234 I have several London numbers. One of them starts with 82, the others 70. The number of times I have quoted my new number as 020 (deliberate pause) 70xx (deliberate pause) xxxx only to have the recipient render it as 0207 0xx xxxx is ridiculous. That number was not even valid before 020. You hear people quote "0171 became 0207" etc..., which, for simplicity of which digits to dial nationally, is true, but to be correct, is not. I managed to allow simple London dialling on my PBX - any 8-digit number beginning with 3, 7 or 8 is treated as such. Trouble will come if 4 becomes the first digit - I may have to insist on national dialling then. -- Phil Reynolds mail: (though I'd prefer followups on group) Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 |
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... On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:50:00 +0100, Paul Cummins wrote: I have a London number. It starts 020. As do ALL London numbers. Clue - try dialling 222 1234 I have several London numbers. One of them starts with 82, the others 70. The number of times I have quoted my new number as 020 (deliberate pause) 70xx (deliberate pause) xxxx only to have the recipient render it as 0207 0xx xxxx is ridiculous. That number was not even valid before 020. You hear people quote "0171 became 0207" etc..., which, for simplicity of which digits to dial nationally, is true, but to be correct, is not. I managed to allow simple London dialling on my PBX - any 8-digit number beginning with 3, 7 or 8 is treated as such. Trouble will come if 4 becomes the first digit - I may have to insist on national dialling then. -- Phil Reynolds mail: (though I'd prefer followups on group) Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 You still see a lot of headed stationary, van sides, shop fronts etc with the 7 or 8 detached from the rest of the number. Actually, the change was a nuisance for everybody since long established easy to remember numbers, for example, 222 (formerly ABBey) 1234 became the less memorable 7222 1234. In fact TfL spent a lot of money buying 222 2222 (formerly belonging to a shop in Broadway next to St. James' station) but I am not sure what use they have ever made of it. Probably Bob Kiley's direct line! MaxB |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:40:40 +0100, Richard J.
wrote: ALL numbers in London have an area code of 020 followed by a 4-digit exchange code... Beg pardon? Are you saying that all numbers on the same exchange will start with the same 4 first numbers? I guess not, but what do you mean by '4-digit exchange code'? -- Fig |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 MaxB wrote:
You still see a lot of headed stationary, van sides, shop fronts etc with the 7 or 8 detached from the rest of the number. Actually, the change was a nuisance for everybody since long established easy to remember numbers, for example, 222 (formerly ABBey) 1234 became the less memorable 7222 1234. In fact TfL spent a lot of money buying 222 2222 (formerly belonging to a shop in Broadway next to St. James' station) but I am not sure what use they have ever made of it. Probably Bob Kiley's direct line! Have you tried dialling it? -- Thoss |
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"thoss" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 MaxB wrote: You still see a lot of headed stationary, van sides, shop fronts etc with the 7 or 8 detached from the rest of the number. Actually, the change was a nuisance for everybody since long established easy to remember numbers, for example, 222 (formerly ABBey) 1234 became the less memorable 7222 1234. In fact TfL spent a lot of money buying 222 2222 (formerly belonging to a shop in Broadway next to St. James' station) but I am not sure what use they have ever made of it. Probably Bob Kiley's direct line! Have you tried dialling it? A recorded message tells you your '2' key is probably bust? Isn't it suspected that much of the reluctance to use the codes properly comes from people who believe there is a social cachet to (what they believe is) the inner London area? However, the BT system is not consistent nationally. Their web dialling code finder tells you that 0207 and 0208 are not recognised codes, but they did the same type of change in Portsmouth (023 92nn nnnn) and Southampton (023 80nn nnnn), but 023 is not a recognised area code, 02392 and 02380 show up as good. Local dialling definitely requires 8 digits, can anyone explain that? Paul |
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In message , Exchange
writes We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. And so is Scotland Yard, Waterloo station, Battersea power station Selfridges, Every theatre in Covent Garden, Paddington Green, Arding and Hobbs Clapham Junction, The Bull and Bush Mayfair, The Worlds end Camden Town, Billy B of Bermondsey etc etc Wrong - they are all 020 You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) Yours must be an 0208 number? Nope, it's an 020 number. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:40:40 +0100, Richard J. wrote: ALL numbers in London have an area code of 020 followed by a 4-digit exchange code... Beg pardon? Are you saying that all numbers on the same exchange will start with the same 4 first numbers? I guess not, but what do you mean by '4-digit exchange code'? To take the number in the title of this thread as an example, the enquiries number for London Transport used to be ABBey 1234, one of up to 9999 numbers on the ABBey exchange, which became the 222 exchange when all-figure numbers were introduced. That exchange is now the 7222 exchange, and all numbers on that exchange have the format 020 7222 xxxx. 7222 is what I called the '4-digit exchange code', though I note that OFCOM now refer to the area code (020 in this example) and the 'number' (7222 1234) without any mention of 'exchange'. In London it has always been necessary to dial all 8 (formerly 7) numbers including the exchange code for local calls within London. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 Richard J. wrote:
In London it has always been necessary to dial all 8 (formerly 7) numbers including the exchange code for local calls within London. But you can also dial the full 11-digit number including the area code 020 at the front. -- Thoss |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:57:01 +0100, Richard J.
wrote: Fig wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:40:40 +0100, Richard J. wrote: ALL numbers in London have an area code of 020 followed by a 4-digit exchange code... Beg pardon? Are you saying that all numbers on the same exchange will start with the same 4 first numbers? I guess not, but what do you mean by '4-digit exchange code'? To take the number in the title of this thread as an example, the enquiries number for London Transport used to be ABBey 1234, one of up to 9999 numbers on the ABBey exchange, which became the 222 exchange when all-figure numbers were introduced. That exchange is now the 7222 exchange, and all numbers on that exchange have the format 020 7222 xxxx. 7222 is what I called the '4-digit exchange code', though I note that OFCOM now refer to the area code (020 in this example) and the 'number' (7222 1234) without any mention of 'exchange'. In London it has always been necessary to dial all 8 (formerly 7) numbers including the exchange code for local calls within London. I understand, although I think your reasoning is out of date. Surely now, the code for London is 020 and no inference can be made at all about the next 4 digits. Numbers connected to a given exchange in London will be 8 digits long and the only thing connecting them is that they will start with either 3,7or8? -- Fig |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:40:40 +0100, Richard J. wrote: ALL numbers in London have an area code of 020 followed by a 4-digit exchange code... Beg pardon? Are you saying that all numbers on the same exchange will start with the same 4 first numbers? I guess not, but what do you mean by '4-digit exchange code'? Many exchanges have more than one four digit exchange code. 8458 and 8455 have originated from the same place for as long as I can remember (Speedwell and Meadway before all figure numbers...) -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Richard J. wrote:
To take the number in the title of this thread as an example, the enquiries number for London Transport used to be ABBey 1234, one of up to 9999 numbers on the ABBey exchange, which became the 222 exchange when all-figure numbers were introduced. That exchange is now the 7222 exchange, and all numbers on that exchange have the format 020 7222 xxxx. There is no such thing as an 'exchange code'. Telephone numbers are virtualised and are not tied to particular lines or exchanges although, for historical reasons and ease of management, numbers will correlate strongly with particular exchanges. ESB |
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I understand, although I think your reasoning is out of date. Surely now, the code for London is 020 and no inference can be made at all about the next 4 digits. Numbers connected to a given exchange in London will be 8 digits long and the only thing connecting them is that they will start with either 3,7or8? True but many numbers give big clues to their geographical location. I certainly like to know if a call is from 7PAD dington, 8HAR row or 8COL indale -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... Fig typed I understand, although I think your reasoning is out of date. Surely now, the code for London is 020 and no inference can be made at all about the next 4 digits. Numbers connected to a given exchange in London will be 8 digits long and the only thing connecting them is that they will start with either 3,7or8? True but many numbers give big clues to their geographical location. I certainly like to know if a call is from 7PAD dington, 8HAR row or 8COL indale If as others have said, numbers throughout the 020 area are 'virtual' can these numbers be retained by someone moving elsewhere in the London area, and as numbers are recycled, will 3,7 and 8 appear everywhere? Paul |
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If as others have said, numbers throughout the 020 area are 'virtual' can these numbers be retained by someone moving elsewhere in the London area, and as numbers are recycled, will 3,7 and 8 appear everywhere? Let's put it this way. There are two big phone providers in the London area, BT and Virgin Media. Numbers are portable between carriers and within carriers subject to a few limitations and possible costs depending on the circumstances. As time goes by, the geographical correlation will reduce with porting but given the size of the existing user base, it seems unlikely that it will disappear entirely. Recycled numbers tend to stay in the same place. To add to the confusing mix, a VoIP provider, like Skype, can give you an 020 number (just one of many available UK STD codes) and so this clearly does not lend itself to any meaningful geographical interpretation. They're just numbers. ESB |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:10:31 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
True but many numbers give big clues to their geographical location. I certainly like to know if a call is from 7PAD dington, 8HAR row or 8COL indale Even though it's not so clear any more, a lot of that is true. 7BER mondsey, for example... though the only number I watch out for there is sadly not a 7237 but a 7232. Of course, HENdon became, through all the changes, 8201 - presumably because they tied it in with COLindale. -- Phil Reynolds mail: (though I'd prefer followups on group) Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:53:05 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald ]
wrote: In message , Exchange writes We've never had 0207 numbers in London - they were in the Consett/Stanley area in the North East. Try dialling 222 1234 locally and see what happens. Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. And so is Scotland Yard, Waterloo station, Battersea power station Selfridges, Every theatre in Covent Garden, Paddington Green, Arding and Hobbs Clapham Junction, The Bull and Bush Mayfair, The Worlds end Camden Town, Billy B of Bermondsey etc etc Wrong - they are all 020 You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) Yours must be an 0208 number? Nope, it's an 020 number. Well done on generating about 30 responses from such a simple remark. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes Well you've got that very wrong, I live in Lambeth and MY number is 0207. And so is Scotland Yard, Waterloo station, Battersea power station Selfridges, Every theatre in Covent Garden, Paddington Green, Arding and Hobbs Clapham Junction, The Bull and Bush Mayfair, The Worlds end Camden Town, Billy B of Bermondsey etc etc Wrong - they are all 020 You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK Yours must be an 0208 number? Nope, it's an 020 number. Well done on generating about 30 responses from such a simple remark. One does one's best ;) -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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Nope, it's an 020 number.
Well done on generating about 30 responses from such a simple remark. Thanks also for showing that it isn't just me that gets irritated by it. Mayday University Hospital still sends out appointment letters with an 0181 number appearing on them so I suppose that is even worse than it would be if they used 0208. G. |
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In message , Graham J
writes Nope, it's an 020 number. Well done on generating about 30 responses from such a simple remark. Thanks also for showing that it isn't just me that gets irritated by it. Mayday University Hospital still sends out appointment letters with an 0181 number appearing on them so I suppose that is even worse than it would be if they used 0208. No doubt they will just change the 0181 to 0208 on the replacement batch of letters they order, and perpetuate the confusion :s I really can't understand why this has all become so confusing. Everybody who rings numbers locally in London can just dial the last 8 digits of the 'full' number, so it should be obvious that the dialling code is 020 from that. I suppose with the advent of mobile phones, people are more and more used to dialling the full number wherever they are - I know I frequently do. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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Everybody who rings numbers locally in London can just dial the last 8 digits of the 'full' number, so it should be obvious that the dialling code is 020 from that. Somehow, I imagine there are many people in London who don't know that they can do that. -- Michael Hoffman |
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Well done on generating about 30 responses from such a simple remark.
Thanks also for showing that it isn't just me that gets irritated by it. Mayday University Hospital still sends out appointment letters with an 0181 number appearing on them so I suppose that is even worse than it would be if they used 0208. No doubt they will just change the 0181 to 0208 on the replacement batch of letters they order, and perpetuate the confusion :s Well the letters actually also all have the correct 020 number too and are computer generated so it is more human laziness I suspect. It looks like they have a standard template for each department to put in its appointments number and it defaults to the old 0181 version of the switchboard. So it is not only a useless number but even updated it is the wrong one. G. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:10:31 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote: True but many numbers give big clues to their geographical location. I certainly like to know if a call is from 7PAD dington, 8HAR row or 8COL indale Even though it's not so clear any more, a lot of that is true. 7BER mondsey, for example... though the only number I watch out for there is sadly not a 7237 but a 7232. Of course, HENdon became, through all the changes, 8201 - presumably because they tied it in with COLindale. The Hendon Exchanges became 202 (Sunnyhill) and 203 IIRC. 201 is a newcomer, as is 209. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , Graham J writes Nope, it's an 020 number. Well done on generating about 30 responses from such a simple remark. Thanks also for showing that it isn't just me that gets irritated by it. Mayday University Hospital still sends out appointment letters with an 0181 number appearing on them so I suppose that is even worse than it would be if they used 0208. No doubt they will just change the 0181 to 0208 on the replacement batch of letters they order, and perpetuate the confusion :s I really can't understand why this has all become so confusing. I can. It's because the London numbers changed from 071 and 081 to 0171 and 0181 at the time they introduced area codes starting 01. Had they gone straight to 020 at that time, much of the confusion would never have happened. Everybody who rings numbers locally in London can just dial the last 8 digits of the 'full' number, so it should be obvious that the dialling code is 020 from that. I suppose with the advent of mobile phones, people are more and more used to dialling the full number wherever they are - I know I frequently do. And that is of course what you have to enter into a Caller ID phone memory to get it to display the name. -- Thoss |
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On Mar 29, 12:12 am, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Steve Fitzgerald wrote: Everybody who rings numbers locally in London can just dial the last 8 digits of the 'full' number, so it should be obvious that the dialling code is 020 from that. Somehow, I imagine there are many people in London who don't know that they can do that. The scary thing is that this was such a simple change, and there are still 59% of the population who don't understand it. Just tax the stupid people! |
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I can. It's because the London numbers changed from 071 and 081 to 0171
and 0181 at the time they introduced area codes starting 01. Had they gone straight to 020 at that time, much of the confusion would never have happened. I'd shift the problem back even further. Going from 01 to 071 and 081 was the short sighted move for me. I was at UCL at the time and they went from having a single telephone number to direct dialling of all extensions at around that time. So I was underwhelmed at the boasts of a doubling of the numbering space when just one institution was now using about 10,000 times the numbers it was. Was there a technical reason why eight digit numbers couldn't have been introduced back then and saved us all a lot of hassle? |
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:03:04 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
Of course, HENdon became, through all the changes, 8201 - presumably because they tied it in with COLindale. The Hendon Exchanges became 202 (Sunnyhill) and 203 IIRC. 201 is a newcomer, as is 209. Ah, yes, HENdon went to 202, and SUNnyhill 203 according to the list at http://www.rhaworth.myby.co.uk/phreak/tenp_01.htm 8209 of course is new, because in the old days, there was BOWes Park which became 888. -- Phil Reynolds mail: (though I'd prefer followups on group) Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 |
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