Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

This feels like it would have been asked numerous times on here
before, but either it hasn't been or my Google Groups search skills
are not up to the task - apologies if it's the latter!

I've got a Standard Day Return from Crayford to London today (£9.20).
On my way home I would like to stop off in Bexley (the stop before
Crayford), leave the station to drop something off nearby, then return
to the station and finish my trip to Crayford on the next train.

Is this permitted on my ticket? Will I need to plead with the person
manning the manual gate at Bexley or will the gate just return my
ticket to me automatically for later use?

Thanks in advance for any help!

Paul

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

On May 16, 9:00 am, wrote:
Is this permitted on my ticket? Will I need to plead with the person
manning the manual gate at Bexley or will the gate just return my
ticket to me automatically for later use?

"Break of journey is permitted on outward and return portions of
ticket."
http://ojp2.nationalrail.co.uk/en/pj...etTypeCode=SDR

(annoyingly these pages aren't indexed anywhere and you have to go
through the journey planner or Google)

U

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

On 16 May, 09:53, Mr Thant wrote:

"Break of journey is permitted on outward and return portions of
ticket."http://ojp2.nationalrail.co.uk/en/pj/tr?ticketTypeCode=SDR

Excellent - thank you!

(annoyingly these pages aren't indexed anywhere and you have to go
through the journey planner or Google)

Indeed - although even then you have greater mastery of the necessary
skills than do I: I did actually try the Journey Planner earlier to
see if I could find a page like that but to no avail. All I seemed to
be able to get to was a one-sentence summary of what the 'Open' ticket
type meant. Hooray for Usenet and its helpful populus :)

Paul

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

wrote in message
ups.com...

This feels like it would have been asked numerous times on here
before, but either it hasn't been or my Google Groups search skills
are not up to the task - apologies if it's the latter!

I've got a Standard Day Return from Crayford to London today (£9.20).
On my way home I would like to stop off in Bexley (the stop before
Crayford), leave the station to drop something off nearby, then return
to the station and finish my trip to Crayford on the next train.

Is this permitted on my ticket? Will I need to plead with the person
manning the manual gate at Bexley or will the gate just return my
ticket to me automatically for later use?


Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the automatic
gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle if they didn't!
I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff whta you are doing.

Paul

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

On May 16, 10:30 am, wrote:
Indeed - although even then you have greater mastery of the necessary
skills than do I: I did actually try the Journey Planner earlier to
see if I could find a page like that but to no avail. All I seemed to
be able to get to was a one-sentence summary of what the 'Open' ticket
type meant. Hooray for Usenet and its helpful populus :)

Click the "more" button next to where it says Open, and it'll list the
actual ticket types separately, and clicking them gets you to a page
like what I linked to.

U

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the automatic
gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle if they didn't!
I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff whta you are doing.

Thanks, much appreciated.

I went to use the staffed gate on my way out at Bexley and was just
waved through without needing to explain anything.

When I returned to the station, I again approached the member of staff
and this time explained what I had done. He suggested trying my ticket
in the gates as they wouldn't swallow it up in this direction so then I
could find out if it worked. Sure enough, the gates opened fine.

Of course, on the way out of the station is another matter - I don't
think I'd like to chance that, as you say!

Oh well, it's all been very useful to know for the future (as well as
this afternoon), anyway.

Paul

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

On 16 May 2007 02:42:35 -0700, Mr Thant wrote:

Click the "more" button next to where it says Open, and it'll list the
actual ticket types separately, and clicking them gets you to a page
like what I linked to.

Goodness me, they don't make it easy, do they? Thanks for your help!

Paul

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.

Thanks, much appreciated.

I went to use the staffed gate on my way out at Bexley and was just
waved through without needing to explain anything.

When I returned to the station, I again approached the member of
staff and this time explained what I had done. He suggested trying my
ticket in the gates as they wouldn't swallow it up in this direction so

then I could find out if it worked. Sure enough, the gates opened fine.

Of course, on the way out of the station is another matter - I don't
think I'd like to chance that, as you say!

Oh well, it's all been very useful to know for the future (as well
as this afternoon), anyway.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an 'out of
station interchange' with Putney NR?

Paul

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of
hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell
the staff what you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

But where could I go on a Zones 1 and 2 ticket via Putney? Both stations
are in both zones 2 and 3.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

Paul Scott wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an 'out of
station interchange' with Putney NR?

Paul

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of
hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell
the staff what you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

But where could I go on a Zones 1 and 2 ticket via Putney? Both
stations are in both zones 2 and 3.

Wandsworth Town (Zone 2), for example. And many other stations in zones
1 & 2 via Clapham Junction, though in practice the route via East Putney
would not be the best.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads
of hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and
tell the staff what you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

But where could I go on a Zones 1 and 2 ticket via Putney? Both
stations are in both zones 2 and 3.

Wandsworth Town (Zone 2), for example. And many other stations in
zones 1 & 2 via Clapham Junction, though in practice the route via
East Putney would not be the best.

I assumed they would be doubling back and therefore not permitted. Also,
the ticket is not valid to non-LUL stations. There is a fare from
Cambridge to Putney but it costs more which is why i never use it.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

On 19 May 2007 13:28:09 -0700, Paul Weaver wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an 'out of
station interchange' with Putney NR?

It wouldn't be an OSI because LU fares do not apply to the line from
Waterloo to Putney or beyond. If it was a permitted inter operator
interchange then the tickets would deal with the validity issues - the
gates do not need to be an OSI to deal with that. This is why zonally
priced NR tickets are still issued to named destination stations rather
than by fare value (as LU does).

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

Is the correct answer! NR issued tickets regardless of destination are
always given back at LU gatelines. Different practices obviously
operate at NR gatelines depending on the ticketing rules that apply to
each destination.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

Paul Corfield wrote in
:

On 19 May 2007 13:28:09 -0700, Paul Weaver
wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of
hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and
tell the staff whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

It wouldn't be an OSI because LU fares do not apply to the line from
Waterloo to Putney or beyond. If it was a permitted inter operator
interchange then the tickets would deal with the validity issues - the
gates do not need to be an OSI to deal with that. This is why zonally
priced NR tickets are still issued to named destination stations
rather than by fare value (as LU does).

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

Is the correct answer! NR issued tickets regardless of destination
are always given back at LU gatelines. Different practices obviously
operate at NR gatelines depending on the ticketing rules that apply to
each destination.

Surely it has to be this way! The ticket remains the property of the
issuing company, so if LU take NR tickets, they are effectively taking
what is not theirs to take.

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

In article ,
(Epicentre) wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote in
:

On 19 May 2007 13:28:09 -0700, Paul Weaver
wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume
that the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be
loads of hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate
anyway and tell the staff whta you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't
get taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not
but when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as
an 'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

It wouldn't be an OSI because LU fares do not apply to the line
from Waterloo to Putney or beyond. If it was a permitted inter
operator interchange then the tickets would deal with the validity
issues - the gates do not need to be an OSI to deal with that.
This is why zonally priced NR tickets are still issued to named
destination stations rather than by fare value (as LU does).

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

Is the correct answer! NR issued tickets regardless of
destination are always given back at LU gatelines. Different
practices obviously operate at NR gatelines depending on the
ticketing rules that apply to each destination.

Surely it has to be this way! The ticket remains the property of
the issuing company, so if LU take NR tickets, they are effectively
taking what is not theirs to take.

That wouldn't stop them taking it and returning it to the issuing company,
surely? Anyway, if I buy a ticket from Cambridge to Putney, I'm sure SWT
are happy to take it. I expect FCC will take my Cambridge tickets when
the Kings Cross barriers finally go in. They will have been sold to me by
'one'.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

Epicentre wrote:

Surely it has to be this way! The ticket remains the property of the
issuing company, so if LU take NR tickets, they are effectively taking
what is not theirs to take.

Really? So the handful of LU and NR tickets that I took as souvenirs
are stolen property?

I once found a Travelcard on a MetroCard reader in New York. (It had,
unfortunately, expired.)
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

Standard Day Return - break of journey?
 

David of Broadway wrote:
Epicentre wrote:

Surely it has to be this way! The ticket remains the property of the
issuing company, so if LU take NR tickets, they are effectively taking
what is not theirs to take.

Really? So the handful of LU and NR tickets that I took as souvenirs
are stolen property?

No, unless you dishonestly refuse to surrender them to the issuer on demand.
--
Michael Hoffman