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Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local
newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from: http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 The ticket offices LUL proposes to close a Barkingside, Becontree, Boston Manor, Buckhurst Hill, Cannon Street, Canons Park, Chesham, Chiswick Park, Chorleywood, Croxley, Debden, East Putney, Fairlop, Hornchurch, Goldhawk Road, Ickenham, Latimer Road, Mansion House, Mill Hill East, Moor Park, North Ealing, North Harrow, Northwood Hills, Park Royal, Perivale, Ravenscourt Park, Regents Park, Royal Oak, Ruislip, Ruislip Gardens, South Ruislip, Sudbury Hill, Temple, Totteridge & Wealdstone, Upney, West Acton, West Finchley, West Harrow, West Ruislip and Wimbledon Park. In addition, LUL also proposes to shut Canary Wharf (East), Seven Sisters (B) Southwark (West) and Waterloo (International). There are further ticket offices set to reduce their opening hours, including: Oxford Circus (Argyll Street) to close, Hainault to close weekends, Wanstead to close weekends, Waterloo (Shell) to close on Saturdays, Mornington Crescent to close weekends, Goodge Street to close weekends, Alperton to close on Sundays, South Harrow to close weekends, Sudbury Town to close weekends, Barbican to close Sundays, Moorgate (main) to close Saturdays, Shepherds Bush (H&C) to close Sundays, Westbourne Park to close weekends, Dagenham East to close weekends, Dagenham Heathway to close on Sundays, Elm Park to close weekends, Bow Road to close weekends, Bromley By Bow to close weekends, Baker Street (Met) to close Sundays, Euston Square to close Sundays, Great Portland Street to close Sundays, Eastcote to close Sundays, Hillingdon to close Sundays, Northwick Park to close Sundays, Ruislip Manor to close Sundays, Chalfont & Latimer to close Weekends, Northwood to close on Sundays, Pinner to close on Sundays, Rickmansworth to close on Sundays and Watford to close on Sundays. Lambeth North to lose window service between 1430-1630 Mon to Fri, Warwick Avenue 1400-1700 M-F, Epping 1600-1900 M-F, Loughton 1200-1500 M-F, South Woodford 1330-1630 M-F, Woodford 1330-1630 M-F, Waterloo( Shell) 1000-1400 M-F, Dollis Hill 1330-1600 M-F, Mornington Crescent 1100-1630 M-F, Tufnell Park 1400-1700 M-F, High Barnet 1330-1600 M-F, Kennington 1400-1630, Bow Road 1000-1600 M-F, and in addition they propose to remove the current afternoon peak window service from the following stations: Hainault, Redbridge, Snaresbrook Wanstead, Woodside Park, South Harrow, Cockfosters, Westbourne Park, Dagenham East, Hillingdon, Ruislip Manor, Northwood, Pinner, Rickmansworth, and Watford. |
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On May 17, 6:45 pm, chunky munky
wrote: Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from:http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 Does this mean that the gates will all be open (where there are any) or that staff will be standing there not selling tickets? |
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"MIG" wrote in message oups.com... On May 17, 6:45 pm, chunky munky wrote: Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from:http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 Does this mean that the gates will all be open (where there are any) or that staff will be standing there not selling tickets? When is this meant to be happening? |
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On May 18, 8:54 am, wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message oups.com... On May 17, 6:45 pm, chunky munky wrote: Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from:http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 Does this mean that the gates will all be open (where there are any) or that staff will be standing there not selling tickets? When is this meant to be happening? By the end of the year, so I am led to believe. Regents Park will re- open without a Ticket Office as it has already been removed. If the Gateline cannot be monitored, either directly or remotely then it should be left open, so it depends on staffing levels and CCTV availability. If you go to a ticket window, the member of staff (if safe to do so) is meant to assist you in using a Passenger Operated Machine. If this is broken they can either visit a newsagents or can travel and pay at their destination, but what they CANT do is be sold a ticket from, the, errmm, Ticket Office. The seller then leaves themselves open to disciplinary action. Not exactly World Class..... |
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chunky munky wrote:
On May 18, 8:54 am, wrote: "MIG" wrote in message oups.com... On May 17, 6:45 pm, chunky munky wrote: Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from:http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 Does this mean that the gates will all be open (where there are any) or that staff will be standing there not selling tickets? When is this meant to be happening? By the end of the year, so I am led to believe. Regents Park will re- open without a Ticket Office as it has already been removed. If the Gateline cannot be monitored, either directly or remotely then it should be left open, so it depends on staffing levels and CCTV availability. If you go to a ticket window, the member of staff (if safe to do so) is meant to assist you in using a Passenger Operated Machine. If this is broken they can either visit a newsagents or can travel and pay at their destination, but what they CANT do is be sold a ticket from, the, errmm, Ticket Office. The seller then leaves themselves open to disciplinary action. Not exactly World Class..... It is actually. The same policy is being implemented on the Paris Métro. As stations are being refurbished, extra ticket machines are being installed and the ticket office becomes an information point, staffed during most of the day. It's a logical consequence of the growth of Oyster in London and Navigo in Paris (similar to Oyster but without PAYG). -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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If you go to a ticket window, the member of staff (if safe to do so)
is meant to assist you in using a Passenger Operated Machine. If this is broken they can either visit a newsagents or can travel and pay at their destination, but what they CANT do is be sold a ticket from, the, errmm, Ticket Office. The seller then leaves themselves open to disciplinary action. So what do they expect you to do if you have a Customer Charter Refund voucher? It seems strange that they can only make refunds by paper voucher and not by crediting an Oyster card directly. |
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Yes - staff will be standing by active (i.e. closed) barrier gates but
refusing to sell tickets. BTW how do you buy a privelege ticket in suh circumstances? |
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Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from: http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 snip What happens if you want a new Oyster Card, will there be Oyster Dispensers here like those seen elsewhere? What if you want a ticket the machines can't produce (eg: Priv/Staff 75% discount)? |
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chunky munky wrote: Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from: http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 snip What happens if you want a new Oyster Card, will there be Oyster Dispensers here like those seen elsewhere? What if you want a ticket the machines can't produce (eg: Priv/Staff 75% discount)? You get your Oyster PRIV enabled by filling out the appropriate form from the Rail Staff Travel section of the ATOC website [1] and getting it authorised by your Manager, then taking it to an Underground Ticket Office that *is* open. If you use your Oyster for commuting, or other Business purposes, then you also need to stump up a £3 deposit to get a new card. If you want a Railcard-discounted Off-Peak Travelcard, you need to go to a National Rail Ticket Office (if you want Amersham as well) or Ticket Machine (if you don't). HTH, Barry [1] http://www.atoc.org/rst/Application_Forms.asp |
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On May 19, 1:42 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? I strongly suspect they don't care. If by saving a load of money they make a large number of peoples lives difficult , well, I imagine they just see it as collateral damage. B2003 |
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 09:59:30 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: It is actually. The same policy is being implemented on the Paris Métro. As stations are being refurbished, extra ticket machines are being installed and the ticket office becomes an information point, staffed during most of the day. It's a logical consequence of the growth of Oyster in London and Navigo in Paris (similar to Oyster but without PAYG). And Hamburg's excellent system has only a few ticket offices that are opened once or twice a month for people to renew season tickets only. Doesn't seem to be an issue. The gap is still Oyster - the vending machines are a great idea, but you can't cash one in and get your 3 quid back, nor can you purchase a pre-loaded card by credit card which is what a lot of people may wish to do. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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Colin Rosenstiel writes There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. IIRC, Eats & Bits, almost opposite East Putney station, is an Oyster Ticket Stop (or am I thinking of the wrong station?). -- Paul Terry |
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On May 19, 1:42 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article .com, (chunky munky) wrote: Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from:http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 The ticket offices LUL proposes to close a ... East Putney There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? Doesn't East Putney have an auto oyster top-up machine (the type that has a touch screen and does paper tickets too)? The one at Theydon Bois (which has been ticket officeless for a long time) takes cards, notes and cash. It's occasionally closed though, presumably out of paper or something. When that does happen, the only other oyster point in the village is the newsagents 300 yards away, off the beaten track, which closes before the station anyway, and doesn't always have a working top-up. (Don't they do a surcharge anyway?) But the gates aren't open. There's no way of buying a ticket (aside coins for a paper ticket which are prohibitively priced, especially at the weekend), so no way of travelling. In the olden days you could pay at your destination, but how does that work with oyster? Especially in the Pre-7PM/Post-7PM time? |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. IIRC, Eats & Bits, almost opposite East Putney station, is an Oyster Ticket Stop (or am I thinking of the wrong station?). Since opposite East Putney Station is the wrong side of the South Circular Road and an office block, I don't know where you mean. On the forecourt maybe but they seem to have limited opening times and I've not noticed Oyster signs. Eats & Bits at 120 Upper Richmond Road, SW15 2SP, is an Oyster Ticket Stop. I think you'll find it's in the row of shops between the railway bridges and Oxford Road. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. IIRC, Eats & Bits, almost opposite East Putney station, is an Oyster Ticket Stop (or am I thinking of the wrong station?). Since opposite East Putney Station is the wrong side of the South Circular Road and an office block, I don't know where you mean. On the forecourt maybe but they seem to have limited opening times and I've not noticed Oyster signs. Eats & Bits at 120 Upper Richmond Road, SW15 2SP, is an Oyster Ticket Stop. I think you'll find it's in the row of shops between the railway bridges and Oxford Road. In other words on the other side of the South Circular Road from my route to East Putney station. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. IIRC, Eats & Bits, almost opposite East Putney station, is an Oyster Ticket Stop (or am I thinking of the wrong station?). Since opposite East Putney Station is the wrong side of the South Circular Road and an office block, I don't know where you mean. On the forecourt maybe but they seem to have limited opening times and I've not noticed Oyster signs. Eats & Bits at 120 Upper Richmond Road, SW15 2SP, is an Oyster Ticket Stop. I think you'll find it's in the row of shops between the railway bridges and Oxford Road. In other words on the other side of the South Circular Road from my route to East Putney station. So what? There's a pedestrian crossing there, for heaven's sake. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? They don't want you to put an arbitrary small amount on. |
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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. IIRC, Eats & Bits, almost opposite East Putney station, is an Oyster Ticket Stop (or am I thinking of the wrong station?). Since opposite East Putney Station is the wrong side of the South Circular Road and an office block, I don't know where you mean. On the forecourt maybe but they seem to have limited opening times and I've not noticed Oyster signs. Eats & Bits at 120 Upper Richmond Road, SW15 2SP, is an Oyster Ticket Stop. I think you'll find it's in the row of shops between the railway bridges and Oxford Road. In other words on the other side of the South Circular Road from my route to East Putney station. So what? There's a pedestrian crossing there, for heaven's sake. I can see you're not a regular user of that crossing if you're not aware of how inconvenient it would be to use as an alternative to the ticket office, especially if the only reason for going there is because a ticket machine is broken or the queues are excessive. That was enough of a problem with a ticket office in place. Why do you think I use the bike when I can these days? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. IIRC, Eats & Bits, almost opposite East Putney station, is an Oyster Ticket Stop (or am I thinking of the wrong station?). Since opposite East Putney Station is the wrong side of the South Circular Road and an office block, I don't know where you mean. On the forecourt maybe but they seem to have limited opening times and I've not noticed Oyster signs. Eats & Bits at 120 Upper Richmond Road, SW15 2SP, is an Oyster Ticket Stop. I think you'll find it's in the row of shops between the railway bridges and Oxford Road. In other words on the other side of the South Circular Road from my route to East Putney station. So what? There's a pedestrian crossing there, for heaven's sake. I can see you're not a regular user of that crossing if you're not aware of how inconvenient it would be to use as an alternative to the ticket office, especially if the only reason for going there is because a ticket machine is broken or the queues are excessive. The scenario you originally raised was "how can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change", in the event of the ticket office at East Putney being permanently closed. We've established that there's a ticket stop just across the road. If that's so awfully inconvenient for you, you should make sure you always have change on you, or think ahead and top up during the arrival leg of your journey, or save time and hassle by topping up less frequently with larger amounts. It's not rocket science. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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(Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Terry) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. IIRC, Eats & Bits, almost opposite East Putney station, is an Oyster Ticket Stop (or am I thinking of the wrong station?). Since opposite East Putney Station is the wrong side of the South Circular Road and an office block, I don't know where you mean. On the forecourt maybe but they seem to have limited opening times and I've not noticed Oyster signs. Eats & Bits at 120 Upper Richmond Road, SW15 2SP, is an Oyster Ticket Stop. I think you'll find it's in the row of shops between the railway bridges and Oxford Road. In other words on the other side of the South Circular Road from my route to East Putney station. So what? There's a pedestrian crossing there, for heaven's sake. I can see you're not a regular user of that crossing if you're not aware of how inconvenient it would be to use as an alternative to the ticket office, especially if the only reason for going there is because a ticket machine is broken or the queues are excessive. The scenario you originally raised was "how can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change", in the event of the ticket office at East Putney being permanently closed. We've established that there's a ticket stop just across the road. If that's so awfully inconvenient for you, you should make sure you always have change on you, or think ahead and top up during the arrival leg of your journey, or save time and hassle by topping up less frequently with larger amounts. It's not rocket science. It's not "just across the road". It's some way along the road too, and the other side of a very busy main road which is hard to cross, signalled crossing or not. Given that there are shops in the station entrance way, closing the ticket office without arranging for one of them to sell tickets is a serious anti-customer action. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:47 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (John Rowland) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? They don't want you to put an arbitrary small amount on. So I'll cycle then. Fine, if it stops your continual whining here. |
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"Richard J." wrote in news:eOY3i.22463
: The scenario you originally raised was "how can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change", in the event of the ticket office at East Putney being permanently closed. We've established that there's a ticket stop just across the road. If that's so awfully inconvenient for you, you should make sure you always have change on you, or think ahead and top up during the arrival leg of your journey, or save time and hassle by topping up less frequently with larger amounts. It's not rocket science. Or bite the bullet, give TfL your credit card details and go for auto top- up... |
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On May 20, 4:44 pm, James Farrar wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:47 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (John Rowland) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? They don't want you to put an arbitrary small amount on. So I'll cycle then. Fine, if it stops your continual whining here. If only something would stop the smugness of the apologists for TfL. First they came for the people who live in South London ... .... and when they come for you, there will be no one left to speak out. |
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On May 19, 2:00 pm, Boltar wrote:
On May 19, 1:42 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? I strongly suspect they don't care. If by saving a load of money they make a large number of peoples lives difficult , well, I imagine they just see it as collateral damage. B2003 Yes, the answer to all the questions being asked in this thread is "they don't give a ****". |
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(Neil Williams) wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:47 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (John Rowland) wrote: There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? They don't want you to put an arbitrary small amount on. So I'll cycle then. Probably a good choice. It's not as if TfL are short of customers, and it'll be better for you as well! That said, why don't you just put a tenner or 20 quid on and use it as you need to? It's not as if (so far as I know) the credit expires. That's what I do, and 20 quid usually lasts me the best part of 6 months because I normally use outboundary Travelcards when travelling to/in London. See my other post. £20 could be a year's usage and that way I don't get a usable receipt. And if I have the family, how do I buy a child ticket for my daughter? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(Neil Williams) wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 16:05 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: Given that there are shops in the station entrance way, closing the ticket office without arranging for one of them to sell tickets is a serious anti-customer action. Wouldn't it be preferable that the money saved was used on more beneficial things relating to the service, rather than on staffing a ticket office that isn't really necessary? (There's no reason why the ticket machines should not be able to sell everything, and if they don't perhaps the money could be spent on replacing them). If you keep the staff, they're a lot more use walking round helping people than behind a glass screen. Who looks after the ticket machines? Frequently at least one isn't working when I pass. How does one buy child tickets? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 20 May 2007 15:30:57 -0700, MIG
wrote: On May 20, 4:44 pm, James Farrar wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:47 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (John Rowland) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? They don't want you to put an arbitrary small amount on. So I'll cycle then. Fine, if it stops your continual whining here. If only something would stop the smugness of the apologists for TfL. First they came for the people who live in South London ... ... and when they come for you, there will be no one left to speak out. It figures that the other great utl anti-Oyster whiner would reply with a meaningless attempted comeback. |
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On May 21, 1:32 am, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article , (Neil Williams) wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 16:05 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: Given that there are shops in the station entrance way, closing the ticket office without arranging for one of them to sell tickets is a serious anti-customer action. Wouldn't it be preferable that the money saved was used on more beneficial things relating to the service, rather than on staffing a ticket office that isn't really necessary? (There's no reason why the ticket machines should not be able to sell everything, and if they don't perhaps the money could be spent on replacing them). If you keep the staff, they're a lot more use walking round helping people than behind a glass screen. Who looks after the ticket machines? Frequently at least one isn't working when I pass. How does one buy child tickets? -- Colin Rosenstiel They are most proabably being serviced as in floated, emptied or having more tickets put in. This is done from behind. ou can often hear the clunking. All the ticketing equipment and ticket gates on LU, Buses, Trams and DLR are operated by TransSys a consortium including Cubic and EDS. They maintain the assets in accordance with their contracts and repair ay defects that cant or shouldnt be done by LU staff. Child tickets can only be bought from the window. I understand that Child Tickets are changing to do withthe Free Oyster card being accepted, but dont know too much about this. |
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On 21 May, 03:13, James Farrar wrote:
It figures that the other great utl anti-Oyster whiner would reply with a meaningless attempted comeback. I don't think many people have an objection per-se. Its more the forcing it on everyone and charging people who don't/can't use it through the nose for no good reason other than because they can. I've still yet to hear a good reason from Comrade Livingstone as to why he's shafting occasional public transport users or tourists who end up paying 4 quid to go one stop since having to buy an oyster card before you visit the capital is neither obvious nor convenient and frankly I think its just a stealth tax on tourists. B2003 |
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On May 21, 3:13 am, James Farrar wrote:
On 20 May 2007 15:30:57 -0700, MIG wrote: On May 20, 4:44 pm, James Farrar wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:47 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (John Rowland) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: There are no shops on my way from my mother's to the station. How can I put an arbitrary (small) amount on my Oyster if I don't have change? They don't want you to put an arbitrary small amount on. So I'll cycle then. Fine, if it stops your continual whining here. If only something would stop the smugness of the apologists for TfL. First they came for the people who live in South London ... ... and when they come for you, there will be no one left to speak out. It figures that the other great utl anti-Oyster whiner would reply with a meaningless attempted comeback.- Does it occur to you that the reason why people repeatedly point out that there are problems is that there really are problems? So you are all right Jack. I am happy for you. |
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On 21 May, 15:35, Boltar wrote:
On 21 May, 03:13, James Farrar wrote: It figures that the other great utl anti-Oyster whiner would reply with a meaningless attempted comeback. I don't think many people have an objection per-se. Its more the forcing it on everyone and charging people who don't/can't use it through the nose for no good reason other than because they can. I've still yet to hear a good reason from Comrade Livingstone as to why he's shafting occasional public transport users or tourists who end up paying 4 quid to go one stop since having to buy an oyster card before you visit the capital is neither obvious nor convenient and frankly I think its just a stealth tax on tourists. I think it's more an attempt at deterrence - i.e. making it so expensive for people who live in London to not switch over that they all overcome their inertia and move over to the new system. The squeezing-the-tourists bit is merely an accident... ....but in any case, we pay c£250 a year each on our council tax (assuming average househould is 2 people) to fund the Mayor's office, with transport being its most important role. London's economy subsidises the country as a whole. So it seems positively *good* to make people who haven't contributed to any of this, and who also can't be bothered to find out the most cost-effective and simplest ways of getting around the city they're visiting (it's not like Oyster cards are only on sale if you can prove you were born within the Bow Bells), pay a little bit more than the rest of us. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:44:24 GMT, Mojo wrote:
Get used to either using the ticket machines or visiting the local newsagent if you want to travel...... Taken from: http://www.workersliberty.org/node/8463 snip What happens if you want a new Oyster Card, will there be Oyster Dispensers here like those seen elsewhere? What if you want a ticket the machines can't produce (eg: Priv/Staff 75% discount)? IMO these closures should not go ahead until the touch-screen ticket machines have been modified to sell (at least while the office is closed) PAYG Oyster cards, Railcard-discounted ODTCs (and, at West Ruislip and South Ruislip, Railcard-discounted NR singles and returns), and to allow the user to put an arbitrary amount of cash onto an Oyster card without having it in exact change. (Anything else to be added to this list?) Also, when buying a Travelcard season on Oyster starting on the day of purchase, any PAYG journeys made that day (within the relevant zones) should be refunded. This would allow passengers to make a journey using PAYG from an unstaffed station to a staffed station and buy their season at the destination. |
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