Hi, I recently heard that from the moment of touching in, I have 2
hours to touch out, otherwise I will pay the penalty for not touching
out. Is that true?

If it is, then it adds a nice feature to travelling to DLR and other
stations without the barriers. I can just go to Canary Wharf shopping
centre, buy some stuff, and go back, paying just 1 quid (i live in
Z2). Is there anything that can go wrong in this method? Any exception
from entering and exiting at the same station etc.?

And last question - is there any website I can check what exact fare
would I be charged when travelling between two stations? On some
journeys there is a choice of going through Z1 or not, and I would
like to know which of these applies on the particular journey.

XmaX wrote:

If it is, then it adds a nice feature to travelling to DLR and other
stations without the barriers. I can just go to Canary Wharf shopping
centre, buy some stuff, and go back, paying just 1 quid (i live in
Z2). Is there anything that can go wrong in this method? Any exception
from entering and exiting at the same station etc.?

If you don't touch out and then back in again at Canary Wharf, you could
be done for fare evasion.

And last question - is there any website I can check what exact fare
would I be charged when travelling between two stations? On some
journeys there is a choice of going through Z1 or not, and I would
like to know which of these applies on the particular journey.

Yeah, it's on TfL's web site.
--
Michael Hoffman

If you don't touch out and then back in again at Canary Wharf, you could
be done for fare evasion.

I suppose you're right, but how can anybody know that I am evading?
OK, it might look a bit strange that I went there and then I go back,
but what's wrong with it? I might have just got a phone call to go
back, or went to meet someone at the station, or just wanted to visit
every single DLR station. Nothing illegeal so far, and nobody can
prove me anything, unless they check CCTV.

But anyway, for the most important question - is this time limit 2
hours?

[Michael Hoffman]
If you don't touch out and then back in again at Canary Wharf, you could
be done for fare evasion.

[XmaX]
I suppose you're right, but how can anybody know that I am evading?
OK, it might look a bit strange that I went there and then I go back,
but what's wrong with it? I might have just got a phone call to go
back, or went to meet someone at the station, or just wanted to visit
every single DLR station. Nothing illegeal so far, and nobody can
prove me anything, unless they check CCTV.

Well you'll have your shopping on you, so that's one way.

Another way is if you were caught not touching in or out by an
undercover inspector. Or if, when questioned on the train about your
anomalous touch-in, a witness stepped up. Or they could have CCTV tapes
checked if there are any.
--
Michael Hoffman

On 30 May, 22:18, Michael Hoffman wrote:

Well you'll have your shopping on you, so that's one way.

Another way is if you were caught not touching in or out by an
undercover inspector. Or if, when questioned on the train about your
anomalous touch-in, a witness stepped up. Or they could have CCTV tapes
checked if there are any.
--
Michael Hoffman

Yes of course, you can use these methods, but i suppose it's unlikely
they would just check andy analyse CCTV footage to check who didn't
touch out, and then to try to find him not touching in. Also, in
Canary Wharf station, there are just so many Oyster readers all over
the place, that undercover inspectors job would be extremely hard.

Shopping is a good point, but you can always put stuff to your
backpack (which I usually do)

Also, regarding to time limit, I found this:
"The two-hour Maximum Journey Time (MJT) was determined when Pay As
You Go (PAYG) was launched on the basis that Journey Planner didn't
quote any journey on the Tube and DLR taking longer than this." -
http://www.ealingtimes.co.uk/oyster/weekone/

That means that I can go shopping or just walk around for more than an
hour for the price of a single fare

XmaX wrote:

Yes of course, you can use these methods, but i suppose it's unlikely
they would just check andy analyse CCTV footage to check who didn't
touch out, and then to try to find him not touching in.

You'd think that, wouldn't you?
--
Michael Hoffman

On 30 May 2007 16:19:52 -0700, XmaX wrote:

Also, regarding to time limit, I found this:
"The two-hour Maximum Journey Time (MJT) was determined when Pay As
You Go (PAYG) was launched on the basis that Journey Planner didn't
quote any journey on the Tube and DLR taking longer than this." -
http://www.ealingtimes.co.uk/oyster/weekone/

Although (IIRC) it reckons Epping to Chesham takes 1hr57, and that's
assuming no delays and only having to wait 4 minutes for the
half-hourly Chesham shuttle. (Also, I think it's measured from the
moment the train leaves Epping, rather than the moment you touch in.)

Michael Hoffman wrote:

Well you'll have your shopping on you, so that's one way.

Is it permissible to go shopping while transferring from DLR to Jubilee?

Assuming the answer is yes ...

What happens if, after doing your shopping but before entering the
Jubilee station, your plans change and you have to go back to DLR?

(Come to think of it, if you're making that transfer, are you supposed
to touch out at the DLR station or not? And in the opposite direction,
are you supposed to touch in?)
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:57:30 -0400, David of Broadway
wrote:

Michael Hoffman wrote:

Well you'll have your shopping on you, so that's one way.

Is it permissible to go shopping while transferring from DLR to Jubilee?

This is the very question I had, although I was considering the change
from D/P to H&C at Hammersmith. I think someone said something about
15 minutes being permissible for the OSI. Now, as it happens, I have
an annual Travelcard, so the point is moot, but I have been known to
pop into Tesco in the Broadway[*] every now and again.
[*] And if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere :-)

On May 31, 4:57 am, David of Broadway
wrote:

Is it permissible to go shopping while transferring from DLR to Jubilee?

Yes, but if you spend more than 15 mins outside the barriers it counts
as 2 separate journeys.

What happens if, after doing your shopping but before entering the
Jubilee station, your plans change and you have to go back to DLR?

I think you get charged for two journeys even if there's only a few
seconds between touching out and touching back in.

(Come to think of it, if you're making that transfer, are you supposed
to touch out at the DLR station or not? And in the opposite direction,
are you supposed to touch in?)

The rules say that you should, yes. I think the general advice is to
touch in and out every time you enter/leave the Oyster fares area (ie
TfL property), although this gets very complicated at places like
Stratford.

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