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Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
(Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge)
er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. Any help gratefully recieved. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On 5 Jun, 11:45, wrote:
(Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. Any help gratefully recieved. Ranelagh Place is the address of the Adelphi Hotel in Liverpool. Does that help? Ian |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On Jun 5, 11:45 am, wrote:
Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It's marked on the map at the end of this 2.6MB PDF: http://billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk...lOakPortal.pdf It would appear to be the A40 slip road that comes form Porchester Terrace. U |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
wrote in message oups.com... (Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It is the bridge between Westbourne Bridge and Royal Oak station, carrying the westbound on slip to the Westway. It is also the correct name for Fulham Railway Bridge on the West London Line... Paul |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On Jun 5, 12:05 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It is the bridge between Westbourne Bridge and Royal Oak station, carrying the westbound on slip to the Westway. It is also the correct name for Fulham Railway Bridge on the West London Line... Paul My Google search brought this up http://www.nrm.org.uk/exhibitions/ph...e/ranelagh.asp Turntable near Paddington so theory ofbridge near Paddington probably correct Bill |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester
terrace. If you go to streetmap.co.uk, I believe Ranelagh Bridge is one if you search for 525949,181535 in the search box |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
"Bill Harris" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 5, 12:05 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It is the bridge between Westbourne Bridge and Royal Oak station, carrying the westbound on slip to the Westway. It is also the correct name for Fulham Railway Bridge on the West London Line... Paul My Google search brought this up http://www.nrm.org.uk/exhibitions/ph...e/ranelagh.asp Turntable near Paddington so theory ofbridge near Paddington probably correct Mr 'U Thant's link takes the prize, a detailed planning map that shows the bridge 'named' unlike most atlases etc... Paul |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On 5 Jun, 11:45, wrote:
(Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. Any help gratefully recieved. In addition to the replies that you've already had, if you use Google Earth you can also see the bridge and surrounding streets. The former GWR and BR(W) fueling point was located in the small triangle of land immediately west of Ranelagh Bridge, bounded by Porchester Square and Porchester Road. Google Earth seems to show this now being used as a car park. Rep 3012 |
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Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Paul Scott wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... (Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It is the bridge between Westbourne Bridge and Royal Oak station, carrying the westbound on slip to the Westway. It is also the correct name for Fulham Railway Bridge on the West London Line... Fulham Railway Bridge is the one carrying the District Line south from Putney Bridge station. The WLL bridge is usually called Battersea Railway Bridge, but Joe Brown's London Railway Atlas calls it Cremorne Bridge, as does Wikipedia. What makes you think it should be called Ranelagh Bridge? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
"Richard J." wrote in message . uk... Paul Scott wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It is the bridge between Westbourne Bridge and Royal Oak station, carrying the westbound on slip to the Westway. It is also the correct name for Fulham Railway Bridge on the West London Line... Fulham Railway Bridge is the one carrying the District Line south from Putney Bridge station. The WLL bridge is usually called Battersea Railway Bridge, but Joe Brown's London Railway Atlas calls it Cremorne Bridge, as does Wikipedia. What makes you think it should be called Ranelagh Bridge? Er... I got the name of the railway that crosses Fulham Railway Bridge wrong? Memory isn't what it was... Paul |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:05:28 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... (Cross posted to uk.railway because I think it is a railway bridge) er well, as subject basically. Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It is the bridge between Westbourne Bridge and Royal Oak station, carrying the westbound on slip to the Westway. It is also the correct name for Fulham Railway Bridge on the West London Line... They were both named for Ranelagh Gardens which were somehere in the vicinity. Pleasure gardens for the nobs. Paul |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
I can't believe twelve replies and no one has answered the question properly. Well assuming the question is a railway one then Ranelagh Bridge used to be a stabling point for locos off Paddington station. It was located directly opposite Royal Oak tube station. It was closed after the HSTs arrived on the GW and all the hydralics and class 50s had moved on. It was well known and loved by all the spotters of my generation. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
"allan tracy" wrote in message oups.com... I can't believe twelve replies and no one has answered the question properly. Thats because yours is the only reply that appears to have missed the fact that the OP was interested in the actual 'bridge'... Paul |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On Jun 5, 1:50 pm, allan tracy wrote:
I can't believe twelve replies and no one has answered the question properly. Well assuming the question is a railway one then Ranelagh Bridge used to be a stabling point for locos off Paddington station. It was located directly opposite Royal Oak tube station. It was closed after the HSTs arrived on the GW and all the hydralics and class 50s had moved on. It was well known and loved by all the spotters of my generation. If you read the original post the question is *where* is Ranelagh Bridge, not *what* is Ranelagh Bridge. The replies before yours seem to have answered the original posters question pretty fully. Do try to keep up old chap. WTF |
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Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
If you read the original post the question is *where* is Ranelagh Bridge, not *what* is Ranelagh Bridge. The replies before yours seem to have answered the original posters question pretty fully. Do try to keep up old chap. If you ask a question like that in uk railway then I think you more than deserve my reply. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On 5 Jun, 13:23, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
They were both named for Ranelagh Gardens which were somehere in the vicinity. Pleasure gardens for the nobs. Unlike Hampstead Heath and Clapham Common, which are pleasure gardens for the knobs. I'll get me coat. Ian |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
allan tracy wrote:
If you ask a question like that in uk railway then I think you more than deserve my reply. If you ask a question like that in uk.r then I would suggest that most of us of a certain age would *automatically* assume that the OP was referring to the Western Region servicing point just adjacent to Royal Oak station, that was decommissioned once the majority of WR services went over to HST operation. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
allan tracy wrote:
If you read the original post the question is *where* is Ranelagh Bridge, not *what* is Ranelagh Bridge. The replies before yours seem to have answered the original posters question pretty fully. Do try to keep up old chap. If you ask a question like that in uk railway then I think you more than deserve my reply. Yes, the additional background info was interesting, but the criticism of previous posters who actually answered the question posed by the OP was certainly not deserved. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address). |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Mr Thant wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:45 am, wrote: Googling was of no help, nor was my trusty London Atlas. I think it is one of the bridges that crosses the line out of Paddington-but which one exactly. The article I am reading refers to it as near Gloucester terrace. It's marked on the map at the end of this 2.6MB PDF: http://billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk...lOakPortal.pdf It would appear to be the A40 slip road that comes form Porchester Terrace. Greenwood's map of London has the area at practically the same scale but as it was in 1827 ... http://users.bathspa.ac.uk/greenwood...1u.html#bottom |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On 5 Jun, 12:12, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Mr 'U Thant's link takes the prize, a detailed planning map that shows the bridge 'named' unlike most atlases etc... Thanks, but it's actually on the first page of Google hits, through I knew to look for the detailed map at the end of those Crossrail reports, as I'd seen them before. As it happens, I was on a train from Paddington this afternoon. The bridge looks Victorian and is low down, level with local roads, so presumably it dates from long before the A40. The turn and ramp up to the A40 look quite nasty. U |
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Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Mr Thant wrote:
On 5 Jun, 12:12, "Paul Scott" wrote: Mr 'U Thant's link takes the prize, a detailed planning map that shows the bridge 'named' unlike most atlases etc... Thanks, but it's actually on the first page of Google hits, through I knew to look for the detailed map at the end of those Crossrail reports, as I'd seen them before. As it happens, I was on a train from Paddington this afternoon. The bridge looks Victorian and is low down, level with local roads, so presumably it dates from long before the A40. The turn and ramp up to the A40 look quite nasty. Nasty in what way? The turn is no problem at 20 mph (and by the time you get there, you'll be used to turns!), and the ramp is not particularly steep. Before Westway was built, the bridge used to connect with Harrow Road. It's called Ranelagh Road on my 1956 Bartholomew street atlas. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
John Rowland wrote:
Where's the entrance/exit? No idea, John. I've never explored it on foot - I would imagine in the same place as it was for access to the BR servicing point. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Thanks to everyone who replied- found it on the map now
As it happens, I was on a train from Paddington this afternoon. The bridge looks Victorian and is low down, level with local roads, so presumably it dates from long before the A40. The turn and ramp up to the A40 look quite nasty. From what I understand of the road system of London, the Westway was to be part of a larger motorway box. The Westway got built then the scheme was canned, so it's possible this last bit got cobbled together from old bridges and existing streets. Anyway, folks have been getting had for using it without paying the CC so watch out! Thanks again...... |
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Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On 6 Jun, 12:57, "John Rowland"
wrote: wrote: Anyway, folks have been getting had for using it without paying the CC so watch out! It's not in the CC area. Remeber the CC area was extended recently, remember. Anyway I've no intention of voluenteering to find out. Going from Marble Arch I shall be taking a long, boring but safe loop via Edgware Road, St Johns wood Road, Park Road and Baker Street before turning right onto the Westway. |
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Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
On 6 Jun, 16:21, Barry Salter wrote:
wrote: Anyway I've no intention of voluenteering to find out. Going from Marble Arch I shall be taking a long, boring but safe loop via Edgware Road, St Johns wood Road, Park Road and Baker Street before turning right onto the Westway. Looking at the map showing the extended CC Zone, and comparing it with Multimap, suggests that you'd need to do Marble Arch - Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale Place - Praed Street - Eastbourne Terrace - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway to avoid the CC, which is a lot of messing about! Yes, Barry, that's what I was thinking.Not to mention the potential to get lost I know which one Sussex Gardens is- (left just after Sommerfield) but beyond that I'd be winging it) I'll stick with what I know. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Barry Salter wrote:
wrote: Anyway I've no intention of voluenteering to find out. Going from Marble Arch I shall be taking a long, boring but safe loop via Edgware Road, St Johns wood Road, Park Road and Baker Street before turning right onto the Westway. Looking at the map showing the extended CC Zone, and comparing it with Multimap, suggests that you'd need to do Marble Arch - Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale Place - Praed Street - Eastbourne Terrace - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway to avoid the CC, which is a lot of messing about! Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so you can't reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without paying the CC charge. In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of Sale Place is excluded from the CC zone, since you can't really use it to get to or from Paddington. The correct CC-free route from Marble Arch to Westway is Edgware Road - Harrow Road - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway. Even if you were exempt from the CC charge, this is shorter and faster than any route passing to the immediate south of Paddington. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
John Rowland wrote:
Barry Salter wrote: wrote: Anyway I've no intention of voluenteering to find out. Going from Marble Arch I shall be taking a long, boring but safe loop via Edgware Road, St Johns wood Road, Park Road and Baker Street before turning right onto the Westway. Looking at the map showing the extended CC Zone, and comparing it with Multimap, suggests that you'd need to do Marble Arch - Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale Place - Praed Street - Eastbourne Terrace - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway to avoid the CC, which is a lot of messing about! Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so you can't reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without paying the CC charge. In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of Sale Place is excluded from the CC zone, since you can't really use it to get to or from Paddington. You can conveniently use it eastbound to leave Paddington to get to the Edgware Road - Park Lane free route across the CC zone, or to join the Marylebone Road eastbound. The correct CC-free route from Marble Arch to Westway is Edgware Road - Harrow Road - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway. Even if you were exempt from the CC charge, this is shorter and faster than any route passing to the immediate south of Paddington. Or alternatively: Marble Arch - Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale Place - Praed Street (eastbound) - Chapel Street - Old Marylebone Road, and sharp left into Marylebone Road westbound (a useful but curiously unsignposted way of joining the westbound A40), then over the flyover on to Westway. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote: Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so you can't reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without paying the CC charge. In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of Sale Place is excluded from the CC zone, since you can't really use it to get to or from Paddington. You can conveniently use it eastbound to leave Paddington to get to the Edgware Road - Park Lane free route across the CC zone, or to join the Marylebone Road eastbound. Not conveniently... there is no left turn from Departures Road to Praed St. You would have to go right into Praed St, right into Eastbourne Terrace, then do a U-turn. The correct CC-free route from Marble Arch to Westway is Edgware Road - Harrow Road - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway. Even if you were exempt from the CC charge, this is shorter and faster than any route passing to the immediate south of Paddington. Or alternatively: Marble Arch - Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale Place - Praed Street (eastbound) - Chapel Street - Old Marylebone Road, and sharp left into Marylebone Road westbound (a useful but curiously unsignposted way of joining the westbound A40), then over the flyover on to Westway. Good one! |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
John Rowland wrote:
Richard J. wrote: John Rowland wrote: Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so you can't reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without paying the CC charge. In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of Sale Place is excluded from the CC zone, since you can't really use it to get to or from Paddington. You can conveniently use it eastbound to leave Paddington to get to the Edgware Road - Park Lane free route across the CC zone, or to join the Marylebone Road eastbound. Not conveniently... there is no left turn from Departures Road to Praed St. You would have to go right into Praed St, right into Eastbourne Terrace, then do a U-turn. Oops! Forgot that. Is there an online street map that shows all the banned turns in Central London? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote: there is no left turn from Departures Road to Praed St. You would have to go right into Praed St, right into Eastbourne Terrace, then do a U-turn. Oops! Forgot that. Is there an online street map that shows all the banned turns in Central London? I don't think so, but this is reasonably good at knowing them, even though it doesn't directly show them. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tion&encType=1 However, several turns in the Paddington area have become banned or become allowed since their database was created. |
Does anyone know where Ranelagh Bridge is?
Oops! Forgot that. Is there an online street map that shows all the banned turns in Central London? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) No, the AA used to include them in the back of their national road atlas until about 5/6 years ago. Neither of my London atlases (A-Z and Collins) shows them. To look at the average atlas you would think you could simply turn right at the end of the Westway to join the N-S free route, and vice versa! |
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