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CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
This is from a London Assembly Liberal Democrats' press release. It
accords with my own experiences: CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE Figures released this week by Liberal Democrat Transport spokesman on the London Assembly, Geoff Pope, showed that cyclists in London are three times more likely to get injured on a bendy bus route than on conventional routes. Pedestrians are also twice as likely to get injured on bendy bus routes. Commenting on the figures, Geoff Pope said: “Cyclists are three times more likely to get injured on bendy bus routes as opposed to conventional bus routes. Given there are only 345 bendy buses, these numbers are worryingly high. We have had claims from cyclists that they have been terrified to find themselves crowded against safety barriers by bendy buses making left turns. Both pedestrians and cyclists find it hard to judge the line the bus is going to take. TfL have launched a costly advertising campaign about safer cycling. But these figures show that the money would be better spent stepping up safety training for drivers as well as a 'how is my driving' hotline to report poor driving. TfL should order and urgent and full review of bendy bus routes". Further details from -- Colin Rosenstiel |
CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
On Jun 9, 2:48 am, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
This is from a London Assembly Liberal Democrats' press release. It accords with my own experiences: A minion of Ken says: "Many London bus routes, including conventional double-decker, travel through much quieter, more residential areas, and so comparing accident statistics for articulated or 'bendy' buses with figures for the London bus network as a whole is not contrasting like with like." http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=12252 Which seems a fair point. U |
CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:19:14 -0700, Mr Thant wrote:
On Jun 9, 2:48 am, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: [2 quoted lines suppressed] A minion of Ken says: "Many London bus routes, including conventional double-decker, travel through much quieter, more residential areas, and so comparing accident statistics for articulated or 'bendy' buses with figures for the London bus network as a whole is not contrasting like with like." http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=12252 Which seems a fair point. It is, but TFL have the statistics per route, so why didn't they rebuff on a like for like basis instead of using that generalised cop-out statement? Steve |
CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:19:14 -0700, Mr Thant wrote:
This is from a London Assembly Liberal Democrats' press release. It accords with my own experiences: A minion of Ken says: "Many London bus routes, including conventional double-decker, travel through much quieter, more residential areas, and so comparing accident statistics for articulated or 'bendy' buses with figures for the London bus network as a whole is not contrasting like with like." http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=12252 Which seems a fair point. Indeed. My first thought was that Mr Pope is discrediting his own party by pushing such obviously flawed arguments. |
CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
We have had claims from cyclists that they have been terrified to find themselves crowded against safety barriers by bendy buses making left turns. I have to say, as a cyclist, that in such situations the actions of the cyclist are often contributory. If the bendy bus is stationary in the lane, waiting to turn left, and the cyclist rides up the inside of the line of traffic (i.e. overtaking on the inside) and positions themself between the bus and the barrier, then they are asking for trouble. They should be stopping behind the last stationary vehicle in the traffic queue. Similarly, if the cyclist is the first to arrive at the line, waiting to turn left, and they sit in the gutter, adjacent to the barrier, then they are not protecting themselves from other vehicles. In such situations, I always position myself in the centre of the left-turn lane, to ensure that no vehicle can pull up and sit to my right - they have to stop behind me and wait for me to clear the corner before proceeding. As a cyclist you have to foresee these situations and act accordingly. |
CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
Steve ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : A minion of Ken says: "Many London bus routes, including conventional double-decker, travel through much quieter, more residential areas, and so comparing accident statistics for articulated or 'bendy' buses with figures for the London bus network as a whole is not contrasting like with like." http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=12252 Which seems a fair point. It is, but TFL have the statistics per route, so why didn't they rebuff on a like for like basis instead of using that generalised cop-out statement? Because they know that the before-and-after-bendification route stats will shoot them in the foot? |
CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
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(Adrian) wrote: Steve ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : A minion of Ken says: "Many London bus routes, including conventional double-decker, travel through much quieter, more residential areas, and so comparing accident statistics for articulated or 'bendy' buses with figures for the London bus network as a whole is not contrasting like with like." http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=12252 Which seems a fair point. It is, but TFL have the statistics per route, so why didn't they rebuff on a like for like basis instead of using that generalised cop-out statement? Because they know that the before-and-after-bendification route stats will shoot them in the foot? If so it would be worse than it looks. Haven't bus frequencies been reduced in the conversion from double-deckers to bendies? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
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CYCLISTS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET INJURED ON BENDY BUS ROUTE- POPE
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(Neil Williams) wrote: On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:46 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: As a cyclist I find bendies a nightmare. Some of them even admit they are a danger to cyclists by displaying yellow triangles on their rear near sides. Presumably to discourage cyclists from overtaking the bus on the nearside, as this is common, but extremely dangerous, practice with any bus or indeed any other large vehicle. It is more dangerous to do this on a bendy than a minibus, but one should not do it on any kind of bus unless there is a marked cycle lane there in which to perform the manoeuvre. Even if there is, overtaking such a vehicle on the left that is indicating to turn left is blind stupidity, but again alarmingly common. It's more often the other way round (other than in almost stationary traffic when in effect cycles are moving ion a virtual lane). Buses cut in on cyclists. Some cycle lanes actively encourage it by stopping at bus stops. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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