London Overground Concession Award
 

The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according
to an internal notice posted on the TfL intranet. Contract to be
formally signed on 2 July 2007.

Paul C

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Paul Corfield wrote:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according
to an internal notice posted on the TfL intranet. Contract to be
formally signed on 2 July 2007.

Its on the Railway Centre.com as well

http://www.therailwaycentre.com/UK%2...90607_TfL.html

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On Jun 19, 10:09 am, Paul Corfield wrote:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according
to an internal notice posted on the TfL intranet. Contract to be
formally signed on 2 July 2007.

Paul C

Does that mean that consideration of the West Hampstead Interchange
can be put back on the agenda?
Bob

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Paul Corfield wrote:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according
to an internal notice posted on the TfL intranet. Contract to be
formally signed on 2 July 2007.

Full Press Release from the GLA website: [1]

-----Start of quoted text-----

*Milestone reached in transformation of London's overland rail network
as operator is announced*

The Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, today announced that services on a
key part of London's overland rail network, to be radically transformed
and extended by 2010, will be operated by MTR Laing.

From November 11 this year, 'London Overground' services will operate
on the North London Railway, which is currently operated by private firm
Silverlink Metro.

The new system, brought closer to public control through a tightly
managed contract with Transport for London, will bring far-reaching
improvements with a total of £1.4 billion of investment, more staff, new
trains, a vastly upgraded service, and refurbished and new stations. The
Mayor will set fares, and revenue will be retained by Transport for
London for reinvestment in the transport network.

London Overground will serve 20 of the capital's 33 boroughs, its
high-frequency metro style services also operating on the East London
Railway when it opens in 2010, following Transport for London's £1bn
extension of the East London Line.

London Overground services will create 400 more jobs over the next three
years, and all those currently employed on the East London Line will be
offered new roles within London Underground.

London Overground will deliver a wide range of benefits to passengers
including:

* Safer stations, with staff at all stations during hours of
operation, and improved CCTV

* Oyster readers at all stations, with better revenue protection to
reduce fare evasion

* A fleet of new trains between Gospel Oak and Barking from 2009,
in addition to the 44 new London Overground electric trains already
ordered by Transport for London

* The refurbishment of all stations

* A commitment by the operator that, by 2012, 94 per cent of trains
will arrive on time

* Increased levels of passenger satisfaction

* Improved track and signalling, meaning less disruption and more
reliable journeys

Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone said:
"This contract paves the way for the radical revitalisation of London’s
rail services, which have suffered from years of neglect and
under-investment. With London Overground we are investing over £1.4
billion to transform this part of London's railway network so that it
will provide passengers with the levels of staffing, safety and security
and customer service that they deserve.

"By joining together the North and East London Railways ahead of the
2012 Games, we will create a new rail artery around the city serving 20
London Boroughs, including some of the poorest. This will not only
create new opportunities and encourage inclusion across our diverse
economic and cultural centres, but it will also be a vital means of
increasing capacity on public transport as London’s populations grows
over the next twenty years."

Ian Brown, Managing Director of TfL, London Rail said: "The London
Overground contract will provide a safe and reliable railway for
Londoners, improving passengers’ access to economic and leisure centres
around the city, and regenerating areas along the route."

As part of the restructuring of these rail services, 11 Silverlink
stations are to be transferred to direct London Underground control when
the new London Overground contract comes into force. The range of
improvements to these stations will match those on the London Overground
network.

The final signing of the contract with MTR Laing will take place on 2 July.

*Notes to Editors*

1. London Overground is a new rail service, which will run through
20 of London’s 33 boroughs. It is the latest addition to the Transport
for London modes and will have it’s own orange and blue roundel.

2. The London Overground network comprises the North London Railway
and the East London Railway once open in June 2010. The North London
Railway includes: the North London Line (Richmond to Stratford); the
London Euston to Watford Junction local line; the West London Line
(Willesden Junction to Clapham Junction via Kensington Olympia) and the
Gospel Oak to Barking line

3. The 44 new trains bought by Transport for London at a cost of
£223m include: 24 dual-voltage three-car trains for the North London
Railway from 2009; 20 four-car trains for the East London Railway when
it opens in 2010

4. The 11 stations to come under London Underground control a
Queen's Park to Harrow & Wealdstone on the Bakerloo line, excluding
Willesden Junction; Kew Gardens and Gunnersbury on the District line and
Silverlink platforms at Blackhorse Road, Highbury & Islington and West
Brompton stations.

5. London Overground services will be featured on the world famous
tube map from November.


-----End of quoted text-----

Cheers,

Barry

[1] http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=12398

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Barry Salter wrote:
* A fleet of new trains between Gospel Oak and Barking from 2009,

Anyone know what they are likely to be, diesel versions of the 376 would
be most appropriate than any current DMU design surely?

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In message , at 10:31:52 on Tue,
19 Jun 2007, Barry Salter remarked:

5. London Overground services will be featured on the world famous tube
map from November.

That'll have to be the Womble Map, then! "Underground, Overground ..."

Shame they don't quite serve as far south as Wimbledon.
--
Roland Perry

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On 19 Jun, 10:31, Barry Salter wrote:
* Increased levels of passenger satisfaction

I love that this is listed amongst the works they're carrying out.

U

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The Junk Yard Express wrote:
Barry Salter wrote:
* A fleet of new trains between Gospel Oak and Barking from 2009,

Anyone know what they are likely to be, diesel versions of the 376 would
be most appropriate than any current DMU design surely?

Dare I suggest the E word? It would make a great deal of sense so that
it could employ the same stock as the NLL and ELL.

Robin

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"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
...
The Junk Yard Express wrote:
Barry Salter wrote:
* A fleet of new trains between Gospel Oak and Barking from 2009,

Anyone know what they are likely to be, diesel versions of the 376 would
be most appropriate than any current DMU design surely?

Dare I suggest the E word? It would make a great deal of sense so that it
could employ the same stock as the NLL and ELL.


Do you think on current NR form a line could be electrified in only just
over 18 months, even if they found the funds in the next couple of weeks?
It'll take them 18 months to draw up the advert that eventually allows some
sort of untried cheap and cheerful equipment to be fitted thanks to a pan
european tendering process...

Paul

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On Jun 19, 11:06 am, "R.C. Payne" wrote:
Dare I suggest the E word? It would make a great deal of sense so that
it could employ the same stock as the NLL and ELL.

Not gonna happen by 2009. And assuming they are diesel it'd indicate
they've given up hope of electrification, at least in the short term.

OTOH, Turbostars are 23m while Electrostars and the current Sprinters
are 20m, so it could lead to a minor capacity increase.

U

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On 19 Jun, 10:09, Paul Corfield wrote:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

B2003

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On Jun 19, 12:52 pm, Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 10:09, Paul Corfield wrote:

The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

Laing own (or owned) Chiltern Railways. It's difficult to think of a
TOC more "quietly competent"[1] than that.

[1] I recall coining that phrase with relation to the Silverlink
County franchise, and I think it's a good description of what is
required from a commuter operator.

Neil

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Boltar wrote:

On 19 Jun, 10:09, Paul Corfield wrote:

The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have years
of experience running railways when you can pick a building firm.

Pop quiz! Who runs (a) the Chiltern franchise and (b) the Hong Kong metro?

tom

--
3.141592666666 and then it's just all sixes for the other 298 digits. Then
after that there's just hieroglyphs of scary eyes.

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jun 19, 12:52 pm, Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 10:09, Paul Corfield wrote:

The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

Laing own (or owned) Chiltern Railways. It's difficult to think of a
TOC more "quietly competent"[1] than that.


Err.. and aren't the MTR in question the people who run the Hong Kong
metro - hardly a 'building firm'...

Paul

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

On 19 Jun, 10:31, Barry Salter wrote:

* Increased levels of passenger satisfaction

I love that this is listed amongst the works they're carrying out.

I heard they're bulk-buying Marathons and giving them out at gatelines.

tom

--
3.141592666666 and then it's just all sixes for the other 298 digits. Then
after that there's just hieroglyphs of scary eyes.

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On Jun 19, 12:15 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jun 19, 12:52 pm, Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 10:09, Paul Corfield wrote:

The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

Laing own (or owned) Chiltern Railways. It's difficult to think of a
TOC more "quietly competent"[1] than that.

Err.. and aren't the MTR in question the people who run the Hong Kong
metro - hardly a 'building firm'...

Paul

Just like Boltar I see Bob Crow jumped in and made a complete arse of
himself.

Kevin

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On 19 Jun, 12:14, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 10:09, Paul Corfield wrote:

The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have years
of experience running railways when you can pick a building firm.

Pop quiz! Who runs (a) the Chiltern franchise and (b) the Hong Kong metro?

Do they? Oh well , my mistake then.

And in reply to another poster , thats more than Bob Crow would ever
admit.

B2003

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In message . com, at
03:52:52 on Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Boltar remarked:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business
was sold off years ago. The Evening Standard in London is apparently
saying the Chinese have won the bid, though. Not sure what that means.
--
Roland Perry

London Overground Concession Award
 

And in reply to another poster , thats more than Bob Crow would ever
admit.

:-D

London Overground Concession Award
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message . com, at
03:52:52 on Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Boltar remarked:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago. The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying
the Chinese have won the bid, though. Not sure what that means.

MTR is a Hong Kong Chinese company presumably - are they a majority partner
or 50/50 with Laing?

Paul

London Overground Concession Award
 

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Roland Perry wrote:

In message . com, at
03:52:52 on Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Boltar remarked:

The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago. The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying the
Chinese have won the bid, though. Not sure what that means.

MTR is a Hong Kong company; i guess Hong Kong counts as China, although
saying 'Chinese' certainly suggests the big red bit of China to me. It was
started as a government agency, then partially privatised - the HK
government still owns most of it. Mention has been made of their already
being involved in running other railways outside Hong Kong, but i don't
think this has actually happened yet; they're contracted to build some
lines in China, but haven't successfully completed anything yet.

tom

--
It's the 21st century, man - we rue _minutes_. -- Benjamin Rosenbaum

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago.

The perils of having a company name that is established in everybody's mind
as being in one market sector, and then selling that off and applying the
name to another completely different sector. See Amstrad - until The
Apprentice I didn't know that Amstrad had their fingers in any other pies
than low-end PC computers.


The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying the Chinese have won
the bid, though. Not sure what that means.

MTR is a Hong Kong company; i guess Hong Kong counts as China, although
saying 'Chinese' certainly suggests the big red bit of China to me. It was
started as a government agency, then partially privatised - the HK
government still owns most of it. Mention has been made of their already
being involved in running other railways outside Hong Kong, but i don't
think this has actually happened yet; they're contracted to build some
lines in China, but haven't successfully completed anything yet.

How long will it be before *every* bit of British life is run by overseas
finance and management. Are there going to be *any* companies in Britain
that are still British? Is it a two-way process: are there any transport or
utility companies elsewhere in the world that are owned by British
companies, or is it all one-sided?

London Overground Concession Award
 

Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago.

The perils of having a company name that is established in everybody's mind
as being in one market sector, and then selling that off and applying the
name to another completely different sector. See Amstrad - until The
Apprentice I didn't know that Amstrad had their fingers in any other pies
than low-end PC computers.


The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying the Chinese have won
the bid, though. Not sure what that means.
MTR is a Hong Kong company; i guess Hong Kong counts as China, although
saying 'Chinese' certainly suggests the big red bit of China to me. It was
started as a government agency, then partially privatised - the HK
government still owns most of it. Mention has been made of their already
being involved in running other railways outside Hong Kong, but i don't
think this has actually happened yet; they're contracted to build some
lines in China, but haven't successfully completed anything yet.

How long will it be before *every* bit of British life is run by overseas
finance and management. Are there going to be *any* companies in Britain
that are still British? Is it a two-way process: are there any transport or
utility companies elsewhere in the world that are owned by British
companies, or is it all one-sided?



Senor Arriva is quite active in bus and rail on the continent
First have just bought Greyhound in America and have a lot of School Bus
contracts in the US
Stagecoach are establishing Megabus in America and own Coach USA

London Overground Concession Award
 

Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago.

The perils of having a company name that is established in everybody's mind
as being in one market sector, and then selling that off and applying the
name to another completely different sector. See Amstrad - until The
Apprentice I didn't know that Amstrad had their fingers in any other pies
than low-end PC computers.


The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying the Chinese have won
the bid, though. Not sure what that means.
MTR is a Hong Kong company; i guess Hong Kong counts as China, although
saying 'Chinese' certainly suggests the big red bit of China to me. It was
started as a government agency, then partially privatised - the HK
government still owns most of it. Mention has been made of their already
being involved in running other railways outside Hong Kong, but i don't
think this has actually happened yet; they're contracted to build some
lines in China, but haven't successfully completed anything yet.

How long will it be before *every* bit of British life is run by overseas
finance and management. Are there going to be *any* companies in Britain
that are still British? Is it a two-way process: are there any transport or
utility companies elsewhere in the world that are owned by British
companies, or is it all one-sided?

Arriva have franchises/operating concessions/etc in the Netherlands,
Germany, Denmark and perhaps soon Poland. Angel Trains lease stock
across Europe.

FirstGroup have overseas activities in the USA, National Express Group
crop up in North America, Portugal and Australia.

Where do Serco live? They've just got the Dubai metro operating contract.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message . com, at
03:52:52 on Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Boltar remarked:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago. The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying
the Chinese have won the bid, though. Not sure what that means.

I looked up Laing's site earlier, and Laing Rail is only a small part of
what they do, and as you say they don't seem to describe themselves as in
construction at all, much more infastructure project management and
operators. I guess they must subcontract any actual building work, I don't
think they actually built any of the Evergreen project on the Chiltern lines
for instance. There is also a Laing Homes - but I can't see any connection
with them at all.

Paul

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:52:52 -0700, Boltar
wrote:

On 19 Jun, 10:09, Paul Corfield wrote:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according

Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.

I would say it is an eminently sensible decision. I appreciate you are
universally cynical about everything to do with London's transport but I
think it is misplaced on this occasion. Chiltern (laing Rail) seem to be
one of the better franchise operators and are prepared to invest
independently when they have time for a payback.

Having used MTR many, many times in Hong Kong with no delays whatsoever
for any reason within their control (I had 1 delay of less than 5 mins
because someone trespassed on the track) I consider them to be an
exceptional operation. If they can transfer even 50% of their knowledge
and operational skill then we will see a vast improvement. I am sure
they are aiming to achieve far more than that as this will be a showcase
for other expansion bids so they will want to make Overground work. I
think TfL will also wish to make sure they succeed as they will want to
use this concession as a basis for comparison with other TOCs and to
strengthen TfL's hand in increasing its influence over other rail
operations around London.
--
Paul C

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Paul Scott wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message . com, at
03:52:52 on Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Boltar remarked:
The winner of the London Overground concession is MTR Laing according
Sounds like a sensible decision. Why pick people who already have
years of experience running railways when you can pick a building
firm.
But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago. The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying
the Chinese have won the bid, though. Not sure what that means.

I looked up Laing's site earlier, and Laing Rail is only a small part of
what they do, and as you say they don't seem to describe themselves as in
construction at all, much more infastructure project management and
operators. I guess they must subcontract any actual building work, I don't
think they actually built any of the Evergreen project on the Chiltern lines
for instance. There is also a Laing Homes - but I can't see any connection
with them at all.

Paul



Laing-OBrouke (may be spelt wrong) are currently building a huge gas
main across Devon

London Overground Concession Award
 

In message , Barry Salter
writes
5. London Overground services will be featured on the world famous
tube map from November.

I think this risks making the map, famous for its simplicity, cluttered.
But then it survived the arrival of the DLR and in any case the NLL has
been on most versions for many years, I suppose.

--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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On 19 Jun, 22:45, Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Barry Salter
writes

5. London Overground services will be featured on the world famous
tube map from November.

I think this risks making the map, famous for its simplicity, cluttered.
But then it survived the arrival of the DLR and in any case the NLL has
been on most versions for many years, I suppose.

--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of Englandhttp://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

You might want to have a look he
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/pdf/tube_map2010.pdf

I just hope that the Bakerloo will be re-extended and that the London
Overground appears from the map there.

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On 19 Jun, 17:26, "Mortimer" wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message

h.li...

But isn't Laing Rail actually Chiltern, and the construction business was
sold off years ago.

The perils of having a company name that is established in everybody's mind
as being in one market sector, and then selling that off and applying the
name to another completely different sector. See Amstrad - until The
Apprentice I didn't know that Amstrad had their fingers in any other pies
than low-end PC computers.

You mean you don't remember their bloody awful "hi-fi" systems from
the 80s? If it was the 1980s and it was a bit of cheap-n-nasty
consumer electronics , then more often than not it had an Amstrad
badge. The only exception was their CPC home computer systems which
were well built bits of kit (I know cos I had one - and it still
works).

B2003

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On Jun 19, 6:26 pm, "Mortimer" wrote:

How long will it be before *every* bit of British life is run by overseas
finance and management. Are there going to be *any* companies in Britain
that are still British? Is it a two-way process: are there any transport or
utility companies elsewhere in the world that are owned by British
companies, or is it all one-sided?

Arriva have significant interests in Germany and the Netherlands.

Neil

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In article . com,
Kevin wrote:
etent"[1] than that.

Err.. and aren't the MTR in question the people who run the Hong Kong
metro - hardly a 'building firm'...

Paul


Precisely so, and it is headed up in the UK by Jeremy Long, formerly
head of GB Railways and then, for a time, First's railway ops after the
takeover, so masses of very relevant experience in the team
SB

London Overground Concession Award
 

On 19 Jun, 19:37, Arthur Figgis wrote:
Is it a two-way process: are there any transport or
utility companies elsewhere in the world that are owned by British
companies, or is it all one-sided?

Arriva have franchises/operating concessions/etc in the Netherlands,
Germany, Denmark and perhaps soon Poland. Angel Trains lease stock
across Europe.

FirstGroup have overseas activities in the USA, National Express Group
crop up in North America, Portugal and Australia.

Where do Serco live? They've just got the Dubai metro operating contract.

Serco live in Richmond (.lon.uk, not .va.us); it also runs the
Copenhagen metro. Also, Stagecoach runs commuter buses across the US.

On the subject of utilities, National Grid owns the transmission
network for most of New England and New York.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On 20 Jun, 01:40, sweek wrote:
You might want to have a look he
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/pdf/tube_map2010.pdf

I just hope that the Bakerloo will be re-extended and that the London
Overground appears from the map there.

Aside from the obvious London Overground addition (which just about
works on the map, although they need to lose the "interchange" blobs
from the shared Bakerloo/Overground section), there are some
interesting accessibility things in that map:

1) Waterloo Northern Line made accessible - is this going to involve
providing access from the Northern Line platforms to the Jubilee
travelator, or will there be new lifts?

2) Highbury made accessible - providing Vic/GN access to the old
station building via the old lifts sounds achievable, but how will the
accessible tube - LO interchange work? I don't count traversing most
of Highbury Corner as accessible...

3) Paddington (Circle) made accessible - if you were going to provide
accessible SSL/NR interchange at Paddington, I'd've thought the H&C
station would be a better bet! Where's this going to go?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

London Overground Concession Award
 

Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

The Evening Standard in London is apparently saying the Chinese have won
the bid, though. Not sure what that means.
MTR is a Hong Kong company; i guess Hong Kong counts as China, although
saying 'Chinese' certainly suggests the big red bit of China to me. It was
started as a government agency, then partially privatised - the HK
government still owns most of it. Mention has been made of their already
being involved in running other railways outside Hong Kong, but i don't
think this has actually happened yet; they're contracted to build some
lines in China, but haven't successfully completed anything yet.

How long will it be before *every* bit of British life is run by overseas
finance and management. Are there going to be *any* companies in Britain
that are still British? Is it a two-way process: are there any transport or
utility companies elsewhere in the world that are owned by British
companies, or is it all one-sided?

I'm pretty sure that Vodafone is still UK, and they have their fingers
in a great many pies round the world. Others have mentionned the
companies that started as bus barons in the 80s that have done a good
job of hoovering up transport bits and pieces around the world. I would
say it's generally a 2-way street.

Robin

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John B wrote:
On 20 Jun, 01:40, sweek wrote:
You might want to have a look he
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/pdf/tube_map2010.pdf

Aside from the obvious London Overground addition (which just about
works on the map, although they need to lose the "interchange" blobs
from the shared Bakerloo/Overground section), there are some
interesting accessibility things in that map:

It looks like the lift for the other platform at West Brompton won't be
finished yet, and the existing lifts will have been taken out!

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"John B" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 20 Jun, 01:40, sweek wrote:
You might want to have a look he
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/pdf/tube_map2010.pdf

I just hope that the Bakerloo will be re-extended and that the London
Overground appears from the map there.

Aside from the obvious London Overground addition (which just about
works on the map, although they need to lose the "interchange" blobs
from the shared Bakerloo/Overground section), there are some
interesting accessibility things in that map:

1) Waterloo Northern Line made accessible - is this going to involve
providing access from the Northern Line platforms to the Jubilee
travelator, or will there be new lifts?

2) Highbury made accessible - providing Vic/GN access to the old
station building via the old lifts sounds achievable, but how will the
accessible tube - LO interchange work? I don't count traversing most
of Highbury Corner as accessible...

3) Paddington (Circle) made accessible - if you were going to provide
accessible SSL/NR interchange at Paddington, I'd've thought the H&C
station would be a better bet! Where's this going to go?


I see that although they have all the new names for the stations in the
Shepherds Bush/White City area, the new Wood Lane station on the H&C is
implied as being quite a distance from White City. I know it isn't an
interchange as such, but it would be more accurate if they were closer
together surely?

Paul

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In message , at
17:26:19 on Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Mortimer remarked:
See Amstrad - until The Apprentice I didn't know that Amstrad had their
fingers in any other pies than low-end PC computers.

Originally Amstrad did "consumer electronics", which was audio, TVs,
VCRs, car radios, clock radios and other such things; plus "this week's
fad", which had included CB Radio, and in 1984 8-bit games computers,
followed by the PCW word processor, then a low cost (but fully featured)
PC clone; later Sky TV boxes, mobile phones (under the Dancall brand),
emailer etc etc.

Amstrad is still, as far as I can see, doing the same thing (Tim
Campbell's beauty product was from Amstrad), but the PC business was
transferred to Viglen some time in the mid 90's. Viglen is not part of
Amstrad, being privately owned.

The property businesses, and an executive jet hire company (featured in
an early Apprentice task), are also quite separate from Amstrad,
although within Sir Alan's empire.
--
Roland Perry

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Paul Scott wrote:

the new Wood Lane station on the
H&C is implied as being quite a distance from White City. I know it
isn't an interchange as such, but it would be more accurate if they
were closer together surely?

This map will have been thrown together for a press release.. I'm sure they
will have debugged it by 2010.

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:08:45 +0100, John Rowland wrote:

You might want to have a look he
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/pdf/tube_map2010.pdf

Aside from the obvious London Overground addition (which just about
works on the map, although they need to lose the "interchange" blobs
from the shared Bakerloo/Overground section), there are some
interesting accessibility things in that map:

It looks like the lift for the other platform at West Brompton won't be
finished yet, and the existing lifts will have been taken out!

And Wembley Park (Met) will be accessible, but not Wembley Park
(Jubilee). How are they going to manage that? Big steps running along
the lengths of the platforms?