On Jun 22, 5:32 pm, asdf wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:27:56 -0700, Neil Williams wrote:
Are there any secret plans to raise off peak fares or to issue guards
with instructions to treat passengers wanting to buy tickets on board
as fare dodgers - see thread concerning SWT. I think we should be
told.

Unregulated fares = off peak fares, or as good as.

Hmmm. My understanding was that, basically, regulated fares = walk-on
off-peak fares (CDR/SVR), and seasons. Unregulated fares = peak
walk-on fares (SDR/SOR) and advance purchase.

Not quite. Peak fares are generally (or effectively) regulated.
Regulated fares are normally Season tickets, Savers or, for
shorter distances, the Standard Day Return or (in a few cases) the
Standard Open Return.
Most off-peak tickets, with the exception of Savers, are unregulated.
For London commuter services, and in certain other large urban areas,
a wider range of fares, including most tickets purchased by commuters,
are
included in regulated fares 'baskets'

asdf wrote in
:

Hmmm. My understanding was that, basically, regulated fares = walk-on
off-peak fares (CDR/SVR), and seasons. Unregulated fares = peak
walk-on fares (SDR/SOR) and advance purchase.

I don't think CDRs are regulated, otherwise SWT wouldn't have been able to
get away with their 20% fares hike...

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

Bob wrote:

Are there any secret plans to raise off peak fares

No. The plans to raise off peak fares are in plain view.

--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10907010.html
(43 097 at Crewe, 28 Apr 2001)

In message om, at
01:25:53 on Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Bob
remarked:
Are there any secret plans to raise off peak fares or to issue guards
with instructions to treat passengers wanting to buy tickets on board
as fare dodgers - see thread concerning SWT. I think we should be
told.

MML already operate a fierce "no ticket = Fare Dodger" policy. Have done
for about a year.

--
Roland Perry

On Jun 22, 9:20 am, Chris Tolley wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:


Once again, we see the magic of the franchise bidding system at work.
Promise a huge premium to win the bid, then get the customers to foot
the bill for it.

Who else do you think is going to pay for it? Don't forget that as use
of the network increases off-peak is becoming almost as busy as the
peak. Off-peak fares were low to encourage people to fill otherwise
empty seats. If there aren't so many empty seats...

I think you'll still see very low bargain fares available - it's
mainly the off-peak walk-up fares that'll be affected.


On another topic entirely, this announcement means that National
Express - once the biggest owner of TOCs is now down to one railway
and c2c. (I expect these two TOCs to be merged, making the name "one"
strangely prophetic!)

W14_Fishbourne wrote:
(I expect these two TOCs to be merged, making the name "one"
strangely prophetic!)


One2c or c-2-1 surely?

On Jun 22, 10:37 am, W14_Fishbourne
wrote:

On another topic entirely, this announcement means that National
Express - once the biggest owner of TOCs is now down to one railway
and c2c. (I expect these two TOCs to be merged, making the name "one"
strangely prophetic!)

They might still get XC and/or East Coast. "two" and "three"
perhaps?

Neil

W14_Fishbourne wrote:

On Jun 22, 9:20 am, Chris Tolley wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:


Once again, we see the magic of the franchise bidding system at work.
Promise a huge premium to win the bid, then get the customers to foot
the bill for it.

Who else do you think is going to pay for it?

You miss my point. If there are two similar bidders, one of whom offers
no fare rises above inflation and no premium, while the other offers a
golden promise tied to raising fares above inflation, experience
suggests that the latter will win the bid, and the customers will fare
worse (pun retained).

Don't forget that as use of the network increases off-peak is becoming
almost as busy as the peak. Off-peak fares were low to encourage
people to fill otherwise empty seats. If there aren't so many empty
seats...

I'm mainly an off-peak traveller, and my experience doesn't really match
your description, except when the schools are out.

--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632952.html
(43 071 at Cardiff Central, 30 Jun 1999)

In message .com, at
01:37:25 on Fri, 22 Jun 2007, W14_Fishbourne
remarked:
I think you'll still see very low bargain fares available - it's
mainly the off-peak walk-up fares that'll be affected.

So Saver fares aren't regulated? Is it just the CDRs which are.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message .com,
at 01:37:25 on Fri, 22 Jun 2007, W14_Fishbourne
remarked:
I think you'll still see very low bargain fares available - it's
mainly the off-peak walk-up fares that'll be affected.

So Saver fares aren't regulated? Is it just the CDRs which are.

I thought Saver Fares were regulated. Cheap day returns aren't, judging
by SWT.

--
Colin Rosenstiel