On 13 Aug, 13:13, Mr Thant
wrote:
Probably quicker. Plus it would have the added benefit of taking a
large number of passengers off the already way overcrowded northern
bank branch line

And put them on the equally overcrowded at peak times Northern City
line.


Are you sure about 'equally'? I've always found it far easier to get
on the NCL at Finsbury Park at 0830 than, say, the Northern Line at
Kentish Town at the same time. The full-size trains seems to have a
significantly larger passenger capacity (which would be further
increased if the 2x3 seating were replaced with 2x2 wide-aisle, as in
SWT's 455s).

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John B wrote:

Are you sure about 'equally'? I've always found it far easier to get
on the NCL at Finsbury Park at 0830 than, say, the Northern Line at
Kentish Town at the same time. The full-size trains seems to have a
significantly larger passenger capacity (which would be further
increased if the 2x3 seating were replaced with 2x2 wide-aisle, as in
SWT's 455s).


Perception is a wonderful thing. The FCC 313s have a seated capacity
of 232 per three car unit, with probably around 310 including standing
passengers at 33% PIXC (Passengers In eXcess of Capacity).

According to the TfL site, the 95 stock has a seated capacity of 268 per
six car train (including tip-up and 'perch' seats), with a total
capacity of 914.

Cheers,

Barry

On Aug 21, 4:46 am, Barry Salter wrote:
John B wrote:
Are you sure about 'equally'? I've always found it far easier to get
on the NCL at Finsbury Park at 0830 than, say, the Northern Line at
Kentish Town at the same time. The full-size trains seems to have a
significantly larger passenger capacity (which would be further
increased if the 2x3 seating were replaced with 2x2 wide-aisle, as in
SWT's 455s).

Perception is a wonderful thing. The FCC 313s have a seated capacity
of 232 per three car unit, with probably around 310 including standing
passengers at 33% PIXC (Passengers In eXcess of Capacity).

According to the TfL site, the 95 stock has a seated capacity of 268 per
six car train (including tip-up and 'perch' seats), with a total
capacity of 914.



This is probably based on dividing the volume of the "standing" area
by the volume of the average person, and assuming that you can jam
people in at any angle, chopping their bodies in half or crushing them
into rectangles where necessary to fill the remaining gaps.

Unfortunately, modern designs don't allow for human bodies with curved
edges or with both a top and a bottom half or for the fact that people
won't lean on someone's head, or the fact that some obstructions are
very painful to lean against, or the fact that bodies can't bend at
certain angles etc etc.

I wouldn't trust any capacity figures.