|
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
On 9 Sep, 19:40, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article . com, (Mizter T) wrote: Of course a fundamental issue is that the Oxford Circus cross-platform goodness isn't at all apparent on the Tube map. What chance this mapping improvement could be made? Has anyone ever tried? There could be problems in terms of changing the configuration of the lines in the central area on the Tube map because... (a) it follows Beck's basic principle of having the whole of the map hang of the Northern line on the x axis and the Central line on the y axis - messing with this could create a bit of a messy jumble in the middle; and (b) in this case the map does broadly relate to reality, when one considers where Waterloo, Euston and Kings Cross are on the ground - a via Oxford Circus journey does literally involve a swing out to the west. I don't recall ever having seen a map that rejigs the lines so as to emphasise the Oxford Circus cross-platform interchange. The other way of doing it would involve introducing some extra symbols - or at least some kind of pictoral device at Oxford Circus - to the Tube map. Since his retirement from international diplomacy Mr Thant has become especially interested in public transport in London, so much so that he tried his had at doing just that: http://tinyurl.com/238mn2 (it is as yet unfinished - or perhaps he intends on having the eastern side of London nuked) The non-map way of doing things would be to have lots of signs and posters - possibly with a further highlighted mini-map - advising passengers going between Waterloo/Embankment/Charing Cross and Euston/ KXSP to use the Bakerloo & Victoria via Oxford Circus. |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
On 9 Sep, 20:02, Mizter T wrote:
On 9 Sep, 19:40, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article . com, (Mizter T) wrote: Of course a fundamental issue is that the Oxford Circus cross-platform goodness isn't at all apparent on the Tube map. What chance this mapping improvement could be made? Has anyone ever tried? There could be problems in terms of changing the configuration of the lines in the central area on the Tube map because... (a) it follows Beck's basic principle of having the whole of the map hang of the Northern line on the x axis and the Central line on the y axis - messing with this could create a bit of a messy jumble in the middle; and (b) in this case the map does broadly relate to reality, when one considers where Waterloo, Euston and Kings Cross are on the ground - a via Oxford Circus journey does literally involve a swing out to the west. I don't recall ever having seen a map that rejigs the lines so as to emphasise the Oxford Circus cross-platform interchange. The other way of doing it would involve introducing some extra symbols - or at least some kind of pictoral device at Oxford Circus - to the Tube map. Since his retirement from international diplomacy Mr Thant has become especially interested in public transport in London, so much so that he tried his had at doing just that:http://tinyurl.com/238mn2 (it is as yet unfinished - or perhaps he intends on having the eastern side of London nuked) The non-map way of doing things would be to have lots of signs and posters - possibly with a further highlighted mini-map - advising passengers going between Waterloo/Embankment/Charing Cross and Euston/ KXSP to use the Bakerloo & Victoria via Oxford Circus. Whoops - I have erroneously included Euston in my above post when of course it's irrelevant - passnegers from Waterloo/Embankment/Charing X to Euston can save themselves the hassle of following my instructions and changing lines by going direct on the Northern line! D'oh. |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
"Mizter T" wrote Going south, for any destination from Stockwell southwards passengers should stay on the Victoria line, so that leaves Kennington and Oval as the only other two destinations where one must make a more awkward change. though from north of Kings Cross on the Victoria Line one can reach these stations by one cross-platform change at Euston (not entirely intuitive, as it involves doubling back via Kings Cross). Peter |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
|
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
In article .com,
Mizter T writes snip The non-map way of doing things would be to have lots of signs and posters - possibly with a further highlighted mini-map - advising passengers going between Waterloo/Embankment/Charing Cross and Euston/ KXSP to use the Bakerloo & Victoria via Oxford Circus. Whatever happened to the "follow the green lights for Waterloo" etc. which used to be displayed at many interchange stations? -- Bill Borland |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
On 9 Sep, 20:09, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote Going south, for any destination from Stockwell southwards passengers should stay on the Victoria line, so that leaves Kennington and Oval as the only other two destinations where one must make a more awkward change. though from north of Kings Cross on the Victoria Line one can reach these stations by one cross-platform change at Euston (not entirely intuitive, as it involves doubling back via Kings Cross). Peter Quite true, and a good point - and of course it works exactly the same going north as well. I don't think that doubling back via Euston has ever crossed my mind - in the past I'll have always been amongst the throng changing lines through the passageways at KXSP. Of course with heavy luggage one has different considerations. I shall bear that idea in mind - it could be useful for anyone with bags heading from the Vic to London Bridge, for example. I suppose that it would likely take a bit longer, though that could depend somewhat on how clogged up with people KXSP is and thus how rapidly one can negotiate the station. It's certainly easier though! |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
On 9 Sep, 20:01, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article m, (Mizter T) wrote: On Sep 9, 4:22 pm, Mizter T wrote: Clapham North and Clapham Common are the only two surviving subterranean true island platforms on the whole Underground network. Have the Glasgow island platforms gone now? St Enoch has been rebuilt and IIRC one more station (Buchanan Street?), all other still have island platforms. It's been a while since I've been in Glasgow but I remember finding them slightly disconcerting too - not helped by the fact that, at least as I remember it, there wasn't anything upright on the island platforms - either to sit or lean on or simply for psychological reasons (I could grab hold of that just in case!). Before linking you to some photos I do just want to reassert that I am a tough guy really... honest! West Street station: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...nderground.jpg Kelvinhall station: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/gla/kelvinhall1.jpg Shields Road station: http://www.flickr.com/photos/teflon/518512661/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicohogg/74463281/ ....though as one of the commentators says one side of this platform at Buchanon Street station now has a screen... http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdstrowes/286751141/ And this platform at Kelvinbridge looks somewhat wider that the above examples: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/gla/kelvinbridge1.jpg Incidentally on the Wikipedia entry I found a link to this fantastic forum posting full of photos of the Glasgow subway of old - fascinating: http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/...pic.php?t=1057 |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:56:35 +0100, Bill Borland
wrote: In article .com, Mizter T writes snip The non-map way of doing things would be to have lots of signs and posters - possibly with a further highlighted mini-map - advising passengers going between Waterloo/Embankment/Charing Cross and Euston/ KXSP to use the Bakerloo & Victoria via Oxford Circus. Whatever happened to the "follow the green lights for Waterloo" etc. which used to be displayed at many interchange stations? It must be fairly long dead, since I have no memory of it (despite two of you mentioning it!) |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
Mizter T wrote:
On 9 Sep, 20:01, Olof Lagerkvist wrote: St Enoch has been rebuilt and IIRC one more station (Buchanan Street?), all other still have island platforms. It's been a while since I've been in Glasgow but I remember finding them slightly disconcerting too - not helped by the fact that, at least as I remember it, there wasn't anything upright on the island platforms - either to sit or lean on or simply for psychological reasons (I could grab hold of that just in case!). Before linking you to some photos I do just want to reassert that I am a tough guy really... honest! Yes sure, me too. Hm. Anyway, thanks for the links! I was in Glasgow last year and I had exactly the same feeling about the island platforms. And this platform at Kelvinbridge looks somewhat wider that the above examples: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/gla/kelvinbridge1.jpg Yes it is wider and does not really give the same scary feeling. That station is also a little bit different because it is a lot deeper below ground than the others. -- Olof Lagerkvist ICQ: 724451 Web: http://here.is/olof |
Easy interchanges in London (Waterloo vs St. Pancras International)
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Mizter T wrote:
On 9 Sep, 20:09, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote Going south, for any destination from Stockwell southwards passengers should stay on the Victoria line, so that leaves Kennington and Oval as the only other two destinations where one must make a more awkward change. though from north of Kings Cross on the Victoria Line one can reach these stations by one cross-platform change at Euston (not entirely intuitive, as it involves doubling back via Kings Cross). Quite true, and a good point - and of course it works exactly the same going north as well. I don't think that doubling back via Euston has ever crossed my mind - I do it quite often if i have heavy bags, or if i'm tired. Every time i do, i curse the architects of the Victoria line for putting the cross-platform interchange at Euston instead of King's Cross! tom -- Also, a 'dark future where there is only war!' ... have you seen the news lately? -- applez |
| All times are GMT. The time now is 12:19 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2006 LondonBanter.co.uk