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Cannon Street / Moorgate tunnel?
I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close
Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. This would allow, say, the extension of Northern City Line services to London Bridge and points onward (possibly as part of the Thameslink network?) Has this ever been suggested? Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? -- Abi |
Cannon Street / Moorgate tunnel?
"Abigail Brady" wrote in message ups.com... I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. This would allow, say, the extension of Northern City Line services to London Bridge and points onward (possibly as part of the Thameslink network?) Has this ever been suggested? Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? Gradient would definitely be an issue, but isn't the Bank/Monument station complex in the way of the direct route as well? Multilevel tracks and station/escalator tunnels for Central/Northern/DLR and Drain, and connections between the two stations. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! I trust you are looking at a geographical map rather than the 'tube map' btw... Paul S |
Cannon Street / Moorgate tunnel?
On Oct 8, 10:25 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: "Abigail Brady" wrote in message ups.com... I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. This would allow, say, the extension of Northern City Line services to London Bridge and points onward (possibly as part of the Thameslink network?) Has this ever been suggested? Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? Gradient would definitely be an issue, but isn't the Bank/Monument station complex in the way of the direct route as well? Multilevel tracks and station/escalator tunnels for Central/Northern/DLR and Drain, and connections between the two stations. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! I trust you are looking at a geographical map rather than the 'tube map' btw... I think that the demolition of the Mansion House and the Bank of England might be problematic. Probably not as problematic as diving sharply enough from the viaduct that Cannon Street is on to get under the whole Bank station complex. That could be a new record gradient. Funnily enough, the buildings between Cannon Street and the Mansion House have recently been demolished and something else is presumably about to be built there, so I think that the chance has been missed. The only remaining possibility would be to start tunnelling south of the Thames and replace London Bridge and Cannon Street with new underground stations. It could be called Crosslink or Thamesrail or something. |
Cannon Street / Moorgate tunnel?
Paul Scott wrote:
"Abigail Brady" wrote in message ups.com... I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. This would allow, say, the extension of Northern City Line services to London Bridge and points onward (possibly as part of the Thameslink network?) Has this ever been suggested? Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? Gradient would definitely be an issue, but isn't the Bank/Monument station complex in the way of the direct route as well? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...069/ltmonu.jpg It might be able to run through next to the Northern Line. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! No, the Waterloo & City is the one which can't be extended without hitting the bank vaults. The gradient problems can't be got around (or got under). Extending the Northern City to a deep terminus the length of Walbrook would give nearly all of the benefits quite cheaply. |
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On 8 Oct, 23:13, MIG wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:25 pm, "Paul Scott" The only remaining possibility would be to start tunnelling south of the Thames and replace London Bridge and Cannon Street with new underground stations. It could be called Crosslink or Thamesrail or something. Oddly enough, one of the Thameslink 2000 route options was a huge tunnel under the Thames from just east of London Bridge to Farringdon. It would have been enormously expensive, and got in the way of the foundations for the Shard. |
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On 9 Oct, 02:08, "John Rowland"
wrote: Paul Scott wrote: "Abigail Brady" wrote in message oups.com... I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. This would allow, say, the extension of Northern City Line services to London Bridge and points onward (possibly as part of the Thameslink network?) Has this ever been suggested? Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? Gradient would definitely be an issue, but isn't the Bank/Monument station complex in the way of the direct route as well? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...069/ltmonu.jpg It might be able to run through next to the Northern Line. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! No, the Waterloo & City is the one which can't be extended without hitting the bank vaults. The gradient problems can't be got around (or got under). Extending the Northern City to a deep terminus the length of Walbrook would give nearly all of the benefits quite cheaply. The Northern City is above the northern line - the only way to get next to or below the northern line is to veer off the route, which would make it hit bank vaults of one sort or another. The problem with that is that the walbrook (a river) crosses the path just east of 1 Poulty. Its in the way of any extension of the Northern City line south of Poultry. You could divert the Walbrook slightly, but at some point you'd still need to cross it, although it wouldn't be such an obstruction to join it up with the Waterloo + City line (although it has a completely different gauge). On the other hand, if you did that, you'd need to build completely new access from the Waterloo + city to the rest of Bank station and to the exit, because the current access would be in the way of any extension; if you are going to do that, you might as well build new platforms somewhere just along the extension, much nearer the rest of bank. That would leave the current platforms abandoned, unless you built new access to them, like they are going to do when they demolish bucklersbury house..... |
Cannon Street / Moorgate tunnel?
"John Rowland" wrote in message ... Paul Scott wrote: "Abigail Brady" wrote in message ups.com... I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. This would allow, say, the extension of Northern City Line services to London Bridge and points onward (possibly as part of the Thameslink network?) Has this ever been suggested? Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? Gradient would definitely be an issue, but isn't the Bank/Monument station complex in the way of the direct route as well? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...069/ltmonu.jpg It might be able to run through next to the Northern Line. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! No, the Waterloo & City is the one which can't be extended without hitting the bank vaults. The gradient problems can't be got around (or got under). Extending the Northern City to a deep terminus the length of Walbrook would give nearly all of the benefits quite cheaply. These sorts of questions would be much easier to answer if there were a 3D 'walk-through' computer model of sub-surface London, with its tunnels, vaults and other services. It's commonly done for new buildings, so why couldn't it be done for existing underground structures ? I suppose it's too much much to expect there already is one ? Jim Hawkins |
Cannon Street / Moorgate tunnel?
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Paul Scott wrote:
"Abigail Brady" wrote in message ups.com... I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. Has this ever been suggested? Yes, about every eighteen months on this group! Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? Gradient would definitely be an issue Cannon Street bridge is 7.1 metres above the high water level of the Thames [1], perhaps less at the ends. The rail deck will be a little above that - not more than 9 metres, and probably less. It's about 260 metres from the point where the bridge makes landfall to Cannon Street itself, where the space occupied by the station ends (ish). If you hollowed out the existing station and put in a downward-sloping track at a gradient of 1:30 (generally considered the practical maximum, i think), you could drop 8.5 metres in that distance, leaving you at about the level of the river. You need about four metres over the top of the track for the train (six if you want OHLE, which we don't). If Cannon Street is four metres or more above the level of the river, this idea is just about plausible - at least this far! In terms of getting to Moorgate, you're then alright, as you have about 650 metres to run, in which space you can dive another 20 metres, which i think is enough. The problem, of course, is all the buildings and whatnot in between the two. If you could run under Walbrook and Prince's St, though, you might be alright. You might need to demolish No 1 Poultry, but it's a horrible building anyway. Don't ask me about how it all fits in with the Bank station complex. Didn't someone say they thought that was plausible? Lonelytraveller mentioned the Walbrook; i don't know what you'd do about that either. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! The vaults thing is a red herring when it comes to the NCL, though - there have been serious proposals from the time it opened up to the 1960s to extend it southward, and none of those had any problem with vaults. The alternative to going to Cannon Street is to stay in deep tunnel, cross the river, go to underground platforms at London Bridge, and then surface onto the appropriate tracks east of the station, bypassing Cannon Street and its spur altogether. Although if you're going to do this, you might as well take the tunnel west and do something more interesting ... tom [1] http://www.the-river-thames.co.uk/bridgeheights.htm -- Hawaii may be many things, but it is not the sort of place you go to for smart, sexy, geeky women. It's more the place for luau excess, non-literate arts, and maritime athleticism. -- applez |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
Cannon Street bridge is 7.1 metres above the high water level of the Thames [1], perhaps less at the ends. The rail deck will be a little above that - not more than 9 metres, and probably less. It's about 260 metres from the point where the bridge makes landfall to Cannon Street itself, where the space occupied by the station ends (ish). If you hollowed out the existing station and put in a downward-sloping track at a gradient of 1:30 (generally considered the practical maximum, i think), you could drop 8.5 metres in that distance, leaving you at about the level of the river. You need about four metres over the top of the track for the train (six if you want OHLE, which we don't). If Cannon Street is four metres or more above the level of the river, this idea is just about plausible - at least this far! In terms of getting to Moorgate, you're then alright, as you have about 650 metres to run, in which space you can dive another 20 metres, which i think is enough. You would need to have flat platforms under Walbrook, to replace Cannon Street Station. |
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"lonelytraveller" wrote in message ups.com... On 8 Oct, 23:13, MIG wrote: On Oct 8, 10:25 pm, "Paul Scott" The only remaining possibility would be to start tunnelling south of the Thames and replace London Bridge and Cannon Street with new underground stations. It could be called Crosslink or Thamesrail or something. Oddly enough, one of the Thameslink 2000 route options was a huge tunnel under the Thames from just east of London Bridge to Farringdon. It would have been enormously expensive, and got in the way of the foundations for the Shard. The Government couldn't scrape £350M together, a mere 2%, to finish Crossrail so something like this wouldn't stand a snowball in hells chance of seeing the light of day. Kevin |
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If you hollowed out
the existing station and put in a downward-sloping track at a gradient of 1:30 (generally considered the practical maximum, i think), you could drop But if you did that, you wouldn't have Cannon Street Station, meaning that the Commuters all pile off the trains at whatever the next station is - presumably Bank, which would be a disaster in terms of how busy that station is already. You might need to demolish No 1 Poultry, but it's a horrible building anyway. Its not such a problem - the bottom 2 floors worth of basement are isolated from the rest of the building with a concrete slab in between - they did that so that archaeologists could get down there while they were building the building above them. But, if you were heading in that direction, you'd run straight into the Waterloo & City line platforms, travelator, or the passenger tunnel between the Waterloo & City platforms and the Central Line. Don't ask me about how it all fits in with the Bank station complex. Didn't someone say they thought that was plausible? It's only really possible if you rebuild the waterloo and city line platform entrances so that they take a different route; the travelator and the interchange tunnel effectively block the through-route - the only way to avoid this is to go below this level, but then you would need a very steep slope indeed. You can't get through on the right hand side of the northern line either, because that's where the Central line platforms and escalator are. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! The vaults thing is a red herring when it comes to the NCL, though - there have been serious proposals from the time it opened up to the 1960s to extend it southward, and none of those had any problem with vaults. (from the north) I'd assume it would be fine until you actually reach Bank station - at that point, if you turn right, you hit the (former) Midland Bank HQ (now some other bank's important building) vaults, unless you make it a 45 degree turn. The alternative is to pass through the slight gap between the central line and the ticket hall, over the northern line, and then turn right. You can't really head straight on, because there are loads of vaults around there. The DLR platforms are to the west of the Northern line ones, rather than directly below, presumably to help avoid undermining them, or the buildings above - anything any higher would thus need to be to the east, which basically means you end up heading more towards Monument, not Cannon street, and there are quite a few listed churches in that direction, as well as office vaults, that you wouldn't want to interfere with. |
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You would need to have flat platforms under Walbrook, to replace Cannon
Street Station. But if you did that, you'd have to avoid the Walbrook river on top of you, as well as building foundations either side - you'd make it quite awkward for the platform exits.. |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, John Rowland wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: Cannon Street bridge is 7.1 metres above the high water level of the Thames [1], perhaps less at the ends. The rail deck will be a little above that - not more than 9 metres, and probably less. It's about 260 metres from the point where the bridge makes landfall to Cannon Street itself, where the space occupied by the station ends (ish). If you hollowed out the existing station and put in a downward-sloping track at a gradient of 1:30 (generally considered the practical maximum, i think), you could drop 8.5 metres in that distance, leaving you at about the level of the river. You need about four metres over the top of the track for the train (six if you want OHLE, which we don't). If Cannon Street is four metres or more above the level of the river, this idea is just about plausible - at least this far! In terms of getting to Moorgate, you're then alright, as you have about 650 metres to run, in which space you can dive another 20 metres, which i think is enough. You would need to have flat platforms under Walbrook, to replace Cannon Street Station. Either there or further north. If the station was part of the Bank complex, you might need to add another exit somewhere. tom -- It is a laborious madness, and an impoverishing one, the madness of composing vast books. -- Jorge Luis Borges |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, lonelytraveller wrote:
If you hollowed out the existing station and put in a downward-sloping track at a gradient of 1:30 (generally considered the practical maximum, i think), you could drop But if you did that, you wouldn't have Cannon Street Station, meaning that the Commuters all pile off the trains at whatever the next station is - presumably Bank, which would be a disaster in terms of how busy that station is already. You'd add more exits and passageways when you added the platforms. You might need to demolish No 1 Poultry, but it's a horrible building anyway. Its not such a problem - the bottom 2 floors worth of basement are isolated from the rest of the building with a concrete slab in between - they did that so that archaeologists could get down there while they were building the building above them. Ah, interesting. But, if you were heading in that direction, you'd run straight into the Waterloo & City line platforms, travelator, or the passenger tunnel between the Waterloo & City platforms and the Central Line. Yes, you'd have to get deep enough to pass under those. Getting past the District line is going to be interesting too. When DLR extensions have been suggested in the past it is usually mentioned that the Bank of England vaults are in the way too! The vaults thing is a red herring when it comes to the NCL, though - there have been serious proposals from the time it opened up to the 1960s to extend it southward, and none of those had any problem with vaults. (from the north) I'd assume it would be fine until you actually reach Bank station - at that point, if you turn right, you hit the (former) Midland Bank HQ (now some other bank's important building) vaults, unless you make it a 45 degree turn. The alternative is to pass through the slight gap between the central line and the ticket hall, over the northern line, and then turn right. You can't really head straight on, because there are loads of vaults around there. The DLR platforms are to the west of the Northern line ones, rather than directly below, presumably to help avoid undermining them, or the buildings above - anything any higher would thus need to be to the east, which basically means you end up heading more towards Monument, not Cannon street, and there are quite a few listed churches in that direction, as well as office vaults, that you wouldn't want to interfere with. I believe the plan for extensions of the line beyond Bank has always been to make it really deep, so it's below any of this stuff. tom -- It is a laborious madness, and an impoverishing one, the madness of composing vast books. -- Jorge Luis Borges |
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On Oct 8, 9:54 pm, Abigail Brady wrote:
I was pondering a map the other day, and I noted quite how close Moorgate and Cannon Street are. I guess the city widened lines to Moorgate are a lost cause due to the planned work at Farringdon, but I wondered whether it has ever been suggested to extend the Northern City Line south of Moorgate and link up with the line at Cannon Street, making Cannon Street into a through station. This would allow, say, the extension of Northern City Line services to London Bridge and points onward (possibly as part of the Thameslink network?) Has this ever been suggested? Are they any especial difficulties apart from the sheer cost of tunnelling in EC2. (Bank of England vaults?, I can also imagine the gradient being a problem)? In these days of terrorist threats and flooding from global warming etc. does the Governor of the Bank of England need to go down to the vaults every day to count the reserves? Why not move the reserves out of London to say Skelmersdale or Pontefract thereby freeing up via routes for London's commuters - by unkinking (or should that be dekinking the Central Line) or allowing the Drain to be developed as a cheaper Chelsea Hackney variant. |
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Speaking of Cannon Street, does anyone know exactly what the point of
the current refurbishment is? The ticket office area was refurbished only a few years ago, and it seems pretty stupid to have shut down the M&S and all the other retail units when the station was working perfectly well as it was (nowhere near as crowded or cramped as London Bridge and Charing Cross). I think (as I've said on this group before) that it would be good if they could somehow integrate Cannon Street better into the Bank/ Monument complex. You could have only one District Line station (saving on staff costs), get better interchange with the Northern & Central lines from Cannon Street main line, and call the whole thing "City of London". Patrick |
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On 10 Oct, 14:28, wrote:
Speaking of Cannon Street, does anyone know exactly what the point of the current refurbishment is? The ticket office area was refurbished only a few years ago, and it seems pretty stupid to have shut down the M&S and all the other retail units when the station was working perfectly well as it was (nowhere near as crowded or cramped as London Bridge and Charing Cross). I think (as I've said on this group before) that it would be good if they could somehow integrate Cannon Street better into the Bank/ Monument complex. You could have only one District Line station (saving on staff costs), get better interchange with the Northern & Central lines from Cannon Street main line, and call the whole thing "City of London". It is bizarre the way that the interchange opportunities are currently discouraged. If I was going from the southeast to, say, Oxford Street, I'd always go Cannon Street and Central Line, but people are encouraged to take a dog's leg, which involves a walk from Charing Cross to Trafalgar Sqare (a similar distance to Cannon Street to Bank) just because the stations now have the same name. |
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On 10 Oct, 14:58, MIG wrote:
I think (as I've said on this group before) that it would be good if they could somehow integrate Cannon Street better into the Bank/ Monument complex. You could have only one District Line station (saving on staff costs), get better interchange with the Northern & Central lines from Cannon Street main line, and call the whole thing "City of London". It is bizarre the way that the interchange opportunities are currently discouraged. If I was going from the southeast to, say, Oxford Street, I'd always go Cannon Street and Central Line, but people are encouraged to take a dog's leg, which involves a walk from Charing Cross to Trafalgar Sqare (a similar distance to Cannon Street to Bank) just because the stations now have the same name. I've always assumed this was because Cannon Street is overwhelmed in the peak and frequently shut off-peak, whereas Charing Cross is busy most of the time (reflecting their City vs West End status) - it makes more sense to direct interchange passengers to somewhere which can cope with them and where they can go whenever trains are running. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On 10 Oct, 15:06, John B wrote:
On 10 Oct, 14:58, MIG wrote: I think (as I've said on this group before) that it would be good if they could somehow integrate Cannon Street better into the Bank/ Monument complex. You could have only one District Line station (saving on staff costs), get better interchange with the Northern & Central lines from Cannon Street main line, and call the whole thing "City of London". It is bizarre the way that the interchange opportunities are currently discouraged. If I was going from the southeast to, say, Oxford Street, I'd always go Cannon Street and Central Line, but people are encouraged to take a dog's leg, which involves a walk from Charing Cross to Trafalgar Sqare (a similar distance to Cannon Street to Bank) just because the stations now have the same name. I've always assumed this was because Cannon Street is overwhelmed in the peak and frequently shut off-peak, whereas Charing Cross is busy most of the time (reflecting their City vs West End status) - it makes more sense to direct interchange passengers to somewhere which can cope with them and where they can go whenever trains are running. That could be self-fulfilling. Cannon Street is closed Sundays and late evenings it's true, but direct Central Line access to the whole of Oxford Street suits a lot of daytime activities. |
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On 10 Oct, 06:10, Tom Anderson wrote:
I believe the plan for extensions of the line beyond Bank has always been to make it really deep, so it's below any of this stuff. And how does it get below the northern line in the short distance to travel, when it starts by being above it, without it having to invade bank vaults on either side? |
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does the Governor of the Bank of England need to go down to the
vaults every day to count the reserves? Why not move the reserves out of London to say Skelmersdale or Pontefract thereby freeing up via routes for London's commuters - by unkinking (or should that be dekinking the Central Line) or allowing the Drain to be developed as a cheaper Chelsea Hackney variant. Its not just the UK reserves stored there. Its the reserves for several other countries as well; I'm not sure they would all take kindly to moving their national reserves to Skelmersdale. |
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Mwmbwls wrote:
In these days of terrorist threats and flooding from global warming etc. does the Governor of the Bank of England need to go down to the vaults every day to count the reserves? Why not move the reserves out of London to say Skelmersdale or Pontefract thereby freeing up via routes for London's commuters - by unkinking (or should that be dekinking the Central Line) or allowing the Drain to be developed as a cheaper Chelsea Hackney variant. I think it's a good idea to keep the vault where it's surrounded by traffic jams and a large concentration of police and firemen. |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, lonelytraveller wrote:
On 10 Oct, 06:10, Tom Anderson wrote: I believe the plan for extensions of the line beyond Bank has always been to make it really deep, so it's below any of this stuff. And how does it get below the northern line in the short distance to travel, when it starts by being above it, without it having to invade bank vaults on either side? Not a clue. But that's what the plans were! tom -- 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
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On 13 Oct, 09:45, Sky Rider wrote:
wrote: Speaking of Cannon Street, does anyone know exactly what the point of the current refurbishment is? The ticket office area was refurbished only a few years ago, and it seems pretty stupid to have shut down the M&S and all the other retail units when the station was working perfectly well as it was (nowhere near as crowded or cramped as London Bridge and Charing Cross). The project incorporates not just the redevelopment of the NR/LUL station, but also the creation of a new building which will replace the existing monstrosity (i.e. the tower on top of the station). This planning document should give you all the info you need -http://tinyurl.com/2qm86h The existing 1960's office block on top of Cannon Street was constructed so badly that I understand there is at least one floor that is permanently out of use because it is warped somehow. |
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In message . com,
Mizter T writes The existing 1960's office block on top of Cannon Street was constructed so badly that I understand there is at least one floor that is permanently out of use because it is warped somehow. Which should come as no surprise when one remembers that its architect was the infamous John Poulsen. -- Paul Terry |
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Paul Terry wrote:
In message . com, Mizter T writes The existing 1960's office block on top of Cannon Street was constructed so badly that I understand there is at least one floor that is permanently out of use because it is warped somehow. Which should come as no surprise when one remembers that its architect was the infamous John Poulsen. The Faroese football player? |
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John Rowland wrote:
Paul Terry wrote: In message . com, Mizter T writes The existing 1960's office block on top of Cannon Street was constructed so badly that I understand there is at least one floor that is permanently out of use because it is warped somehow. Which should come as no surprise when one remembers that its architect was the infamous John Poulsen. The Faroese football player? John Poulson (note spelling), 1910-1993, the corrupt architect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poulson , with photo of Cannon Street Station! -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote: Paul Terry wrote: In message . com, Mizter T writes The existing 1960's office block on top of Cannon Street was constructed so badly that I understand there is at least one floor that is permanently out of use because it is warped somehow. Which should come as no surprise when one remembers that its architect was the infamous John Poulsen. The Faroese football player? John Poulson (note spelling), 1910-1993, the corrupt architect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poulson , with photo of Cannon Street Station! Thanks. |
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