"John B" wrote in message
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On 10 Oct, 11:55, wrote:
Sounds like utter ********, which wouldn't be surprising given the
general ****poor quality of the Eye's railway reporting. A fiver says
it opens with LO branding and the current platform length on November
11.

Its been mentioned somewhere a few weeks ago which I can't find at the
mo,
and it isn't the length, its the width, the yellow line is in the
middle of
the platform...

That's slightly saner - the '18 inches of length' point as reported in
the Eye made no sense whatsoever, but I can see that adding 45cm of
width to a full-length platform could be an expensive undertaking, and
that a narrow platform might actually be dangerous (whereas a short
platform can be dealt with by SDO). In which case, somebody involved
with the design needs shot.


I'm not sure which is 'up' or 'down', but I'm sure its the western side
platform that is the problem. The bit where the stairs and lifts come down
is quite deep, possibly for about a coach length, but to the north of that
it is quite narrow, and the back wall is quite substantial, I wonder if it
is supporting the higher ground of the bus station?

Dave Arquati's site links to some photos, which seem to predate the
retaining wall going in:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davearq...7594243368848/

Paul

On 10 Oct, 15:24, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"John B" wrote in message

(snip)

That's slightly saner - the '18 inches of length' point as reported in
the Eye made no sense whatsoever, but I can see that adding 45cm of
width to a full-length platform could be an expensive undertaking, and
that a narrow platform might actually be dangerous (whereas a short
platform can be dealt with by SDO). In which case, somebody involved
with the design needs shot.

I'm not sure which is 'up' or 'down', but I'm sure its the western side
platform that is the problem. The bit where the stairs and lifts come down
is quite deep, possibly for about a coach length, but to the north of that
it is quite narrow, and the back wall is quite substantial, I wonder if it
is supporting the higher ground of the bus station?

Dave Arquati's site links to some photos, which seem to predate the
retaining wall going in:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davearq...et-72157594243...

Paul

I'm intrigued to know whether this was an error on the plans or an
error on the ground, but it would all seem to strongly suggest that
the width of the retaining wall wasn't given proper consideration.

Shepherd's Bush WLL - opening winter 2009?

Mizter T wrote:

I'm intrigued to know whether this was an error on the plans or an
error on the ground, but it would all seem to strongly suggest that
the width of the retaining wall wasn't given proper consideration.

It's the Hastings Line all over again!

On 10 Okt., 15:24, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
I'm not sure which is 'up' or 'down', but I'm sure its the western side
platform that is the problem. The bit where the stairs and lifts come down
is quite deep, possibly for about a coach length, but to the north of that
it is quite narrow, and the back wall is quite substantial, I wonder if it
is supporting the higher ground of the bus station?

I was intrigued enough to pay a visit to the site today, and took some
photos:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...m-debacle.html

U

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"Mr Thant" wrote in message
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On 10 Okt., 15:24, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
I'm not sure which is 'up' or 'down', but I'm sure its the western side
platform that is the problem. The bit where the stairs and lifts come
down
is quite deep, possibly for about a coach length, but to the north of
that
it is quite narrow, and the back wall is quite substantial, I wonder if
it
is supporting the higher ground of the bus station?

I was intrigued enough to pay a visit to the site today, and took some
photos:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...m-debacle.html


Well done, a picture is worth a thousand words. My last view was from the
window of a passing Silverlink service

Always seems to me that there must be a better solution than all these lamp
standards as well, they don't exactly help the passenger circulation. But
in this case, perhaps they have too many? There seems to be a pole every few
yards, given its only a four car platform...

Paul

Paul Scott wrote:
"Mr Thant" wrote in message
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I was intrigued enough to pay a visit to the site today, and took
some photos:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...m-debacle.html


Well done, a picture is worth a thousand words. My last view was from
the window of a passing Silverlink service

Always seems to me that there must be a better solution than all
these lamp standards as well, they don't exactly help the passenger
circulation. But in this case, perhaps they have too many? There
seems to be a pole every few yards, given its only a four car
platform...

It's not obvious why the posts are there at all. Wouldn't fixing the lamps
be to the wall solve the problem?

At 23:58:22 on Wed, 10 Oct 2007 John Rowland opined:-

Paul Scott wrote:
"Mr Thant" wrote in message
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I was intrigued enough to pay a visit to the site today, and took
some photos:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...bush-platform-
debacle.html


Well done, a picture is worth a thousand words. My last view was from
the window of a passing Silverlink service

Always seems to me that there must be a better solution than all
these lamp standards as well, they don't exactly help the passenger
circulation. But in this case, perhaps they have too many? There
seems to be a pole every few yards, given its only a four car
platform...

It's not obvious why the posts are there at all. Wouldn't fixing the lamps
be to the wall solve the problem?


What are the regulations re the yellow line, and are they different for
National Rail and LUL? At Paddington, Platform 14 (NR) has the line 3-4
ft from the edge, whereas Platform 15 (Underground) has it 1 ft or less
from the edge.
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"thoss" wrote in message
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At 23:58:22 on Wed, 10 Oct 2007 John Rowland opined:-

Paul Scott wrote:
"Mr Thant" wrote in message
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I was intrigued enough to pay a visit to the site today, and took
some photos:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...bush-platform-
debacle.html


Well done, a picture is worth a thousand words. My last view was from
the window of a passing Silverlink service

Always seems to me that there must be a better solution than all
these lamp standards as well, they don't exactly help the passenger
circulation. But in this case, perhaps they have too many? There
seems to be a pole every few yards, given its only a four car
platform...

It's not obvious why the posts are there at all. Wouldn't fixing the lamps
be to the wall solve the problem?


What are the regulations re the yellow line, and are they different for
National Rail and LUL? At Paddington, Platform 14 (NR) has the line 3-4
ft from the edge, whereas Platform 15 (Underground) has it 1 ft or less
from the edge.

Probably different - LU hasn't generally # had to deal with either slam
doors being
opened while the train moving, or passing HSTs, turbulence caused by passing
freights etc.

But it seems recent NR installations do have a certain standard depth of
edging, then the tactile strip, then the yellow line.

# I'm aware LU & NR share platforms here and there...

Paul

On 12 Oct, 11:38, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"thoss" wrote in message

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At 23:58:22 on Wed, 10 Oct 2007 John Rowland opined:-

Paul Scott wrote:
"Mr Thant" wrote in message
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I was intrigued enough to pay a visit to the site today, and took
some photos:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...bush-platform-
debacle.html

Well done, a picture is worth a thousand words. My last view was from
the window of a passing Silverlink service

Always seems to me that there must be a better solution than all
these lamp standards as well, they don't exactly help the passenger
circulation. But in this case, perhaps they have too many? There
seems to be a pole every few yards, given its only a four car
platform...

It's not obvious why the posts are there at all. Wouldn't fixing the lamps
be to the wall solve the problem?

What are the regulations re the yellow line, and are they different for
National Rail and LUL? At Paddington, Platform 14 (NR) has the line 3-4
ft from the edge, whereas Platform 15 (Underground) has it 1 ft or less
from the edge.

Probably different - LU hasn't generally # had to deal with either slam
doors being
opened while the train moving, or passing HSTs, turbulence caused by passing
freights etc.

But it seems recent NR installations do have a certain standard depth of
edging, then the tactile strip, then the yellow line.

# I'm aware LU & NR share platforms here and there...

Paul


Has there ever been a regulation?

The original yellow lines were used to advertise the IC125 service out
of Paddington. They were accompanied by little signs attached to
posts saying "High speed trains pass this platform". I am sure it was
more of a publicity than a safety thing.

But more recently yellow lines started appearing everywhere. I am
sure it is generally a good idea to stand back from the platform edge,
but if there was ever a higher level of risk associated with high
speeds, it has been lost and the warning devalued.

On Oct 10, 11:58 pm, "John Rowland"
wrote:
It's not obvious why the posts are there at all. Wouldn't fixing the lamps to the wall solve the problem?

That is by far the most cost-effective and sensible solution to the
problem. Expect to see the "wall" torn down at a cost of £xx million
instead...

THC