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"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm
The opening will happen this evening (not least because Bettie is a bit tied up giving a speech at some riverside club house during the day). I managed to have a quick look inside and around St P yesterday lunchtime (whilst waiting at KX for someone who, courtesy of an inept communications breakdown, wasn't on the train they should've been on - grrr!). I see now that the Midland mainline platform-level concourse and platforms offer a pretty good view across the whole Barlow trainshed now that the hoardings have largely come down and been replaced with glass walls. The roof is splendid, lots of light coming through so quite a change from the dingy St P of old. From this position one also gets a good view across the Eurostar platforms - yesterday occupied by a just-arrived Eurostar train and also a CTRL-DS (aka Javelin) train, coupled to an EWS Class 60 (I think). The CTRL-DS train was quite far up the long platforms (towards the country end) so I couldn't see if it was top and tailed, but I did wonder if there was the necessary trackwork in the Eurostar platforms for a loco to run around a train and escape. There was also quite a bit of lighting kit being set up for the grand opening 'show' this evening - there were several lighting rigs attached to the roof, and several more ground-level spotlights on the platforms, plus a couple of massive screens hanging from the roof too. Coming up the escalators to the Midland mainline concourse there were a couple of large black drapes hanging from the ceiling. After a bit of consideration I decided these were perhaps in place principally to stop the light show from distracting the arriving MML drivers as hey came into the platforms - as there was no indication that the Midland mainline part of the station was going to close for this event. Whether one will be able to go and attempt to hang around the Midland mainline concourse and watch this event unfold I cannot say - I guess that the area might be closed to those who don't hold tickets for travel, but that part of the station would certainly appear to be open for business as normal this evening. Whilst the trainshed part of the station appears nearly finished, the undercroft areas would still appear to be requiring a fair bit more work - it is however hard to tell, given that there's no public access to these areas. There were lots of workmen wearing hi-vis jackets stating "Retail fit-out", so perhaps things are nearing completion. Still plenty of other workmen around the place beavering away at this and that though. A couple of other points of potential interest. One is that the Midland mainline platforms are OHLE wired. I guess this is very old news but I hadn't realised that would be the case. Is this provision for Thameslink trains, just in case they need to terminate here rather than travel on through the low-level platforms and then through central London? The other is that the surrounding roads are now open as of Saturday 3rd November (so the sign said). As far as I could see (but I may have got it wrong) Pancras Road is fully open for two-way traffic all the way from Euston Road up to the Goods Way / Camley Street junction, and Midland Road is open for one-way southbound traffic into Euston Road. The taxi rank is now on Midland Road, and that's now the taxi drop-off point as well (as opposed to the old location on Pancras Road). Oh, and last thing - unless I've got this one wrong St Pancras station appears to have it's own logo - which is neither the Eurostar logo nor the HS1 logo - it's black and white and I couldn't really work out what it was supposed to depict but I could only find it on street signs around the station rather than on the station itself. |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
On 6 Nov, 08:57, Mizter T wrote:
One is that the Midland mainline platforms are OHLE wired. I guess this is very old news but I hadn't realised that would be the case. Is this provision for Thameslink trains, just in case they need to terminate here rather than travel on through the low-level platforms and then through central London? Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station, normally only used when the tunnels are shut. PhilD -- |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
Mizter T wrote:
Oh, and last thing - unless I've got this one wrong St Pancras station appears to have it's own logo - which is neither the Eurostar logo nor the HS1 logo - it's black and white and I couldn't really work out what it was supposed to depict but I could only find it on street signs around the station rather than on the station itself. My memory (faulty?) is that all the Network Rail run London stations have a logo associated with them. Is this the logo you have seen? Robin |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station, normally only used when the tunnels are shut. FCC may have station rights but, i'm told, FCC drivers will not be maintaining route knowledge into St.P so in a very short time all FCC drivers will not be able to go in there. You do have to wonder where all the trains will go when Moorgate is closed in 2008 and where they will go in the meantime if anything closes central london. I know its not ideal but Kentish Town is more than likely the answer as you can use Platforms 3 and 4 to terminate in when there is through-london running and in the event of a total london block you can use all four platforms to terminate in. This would be more capacity than St. P as there is only 4 platforms to share with MML who have amazingly long turn-around times. |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
"Mizter T" wrote in message oups.com... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The other is that the surrounding roads are now open as of Saturday 3rd November (so the sign said). As far as I could see (but I may have got it wrong) Pancras Road is fully open for two-way traffic all the way from Euston Road up to the Goods Way / Camley Street junction, and Midland Road is open for one-way southbound traffic into Euston Road. The taxi rank is now on Midland Road, and that's now the taxi drop-off point as well (as opposed to the old location on Pancras Road). The southbound route from Goods Way is a taxi (and goods vehicle) only route for the Kings Cross rank which is now on the west of that station (the internal rank alongside KX platform 1 has been closed for a while. I took a walk up there last Saturday, and its remarkable how many car drivers didn't understand the signage, and found themselves in a queue of taxis , with a double white line on their offside! It looked to me as though taxis for St Pancras drop off in Pancras Rd, then could loop round under the station extension, to pick up in Midland Rd, at the west end of the domestic concourse, and there seems to be another pick up further down for Eurostar. Paul |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
"Nathan" wrote in message om... Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station, normally only used when the tunnels are shut. FCC may have station rights but, i'm told, FCC drivers will not be maintaining route knowledge into St.P so in a very short time all FCC drivers will not be able to go in there. You do have to wonder where all the trains will go when Moorgate is closed in 2008... There are very regular closures of the Thameslink route from the new year onwards, IIRC from FCC publicity, some trains will be reversing at St Pancras International (formerly Midland Rd). The plan is that by the time Moorgate closes, there will be capacity available for trains to run through to destinations in the Southeastern area, with their trains running through to at least Kentish Town in return, as the bay platforms at Blackfriars close at the same time. Of course capacity is not the same as frequency, and could be achieved with fewer longer trains, using the units no longer going to Moorgate. Paul |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
"R.C. Payne" wrote in message ... Mizter T wrote: Oh, and last thing - unless I've got this one wrong St Pancras station appears to have it's own logo - which is neither the Eurostar logo nor the HS1 logo - it's black and white and I couldn't really work out what it was supposed to depict but I could only find it on street signs around the station rather than on the station itself. My memory (faulty?) is that all the Network Rail run London stations have a logo associated with them. Is this the logo you have seen? That was my thought initially, someone's posted a link to those logos in the past, but at the moment St Pancras isn't run by NR. Was it before the rebuild, or did MML run it like the other 'minor' stations such as Marylebone (Chiltern) and Fenchurch St (c2c)? Paul |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
On 6 Nov, 10:54, "Paul Scott" wrote:
That was my thought initially, someone's posted a link to those logos in the past, but at the moment St Pancras isn't run by NR. Was it before the rebuild, or did MML run it like the other 'minor' stations such as Marylebone (Chiltern) and Fenchurch St (c2c)? St Pancras (the entire current complex) has, for a very long time, been run by London & Continental (I don't know for certain who will run the low level platforms). Midland MainLine's station licence for St Pancras expired on 6th June 2000. PhilD -- |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
On 6 Nov, 11:15, PhilD wrote:
St Pancras (the entire current complex) has, for a very long time, been run by London & Continental (I don't know for certain who will run the low level platforms). Midland MainLine's station licence for St Pancras expired on 6th June 2000. (Sorry, I forgot to add...) The ORR website has MML and Thameslink as access beneficiaries of L&C's St Pancras station, but L&C does not appear to be a station licence holder. PhilD -- |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
Nathan wrote:
Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station, normally only used when the tunnels are shut. FCC may have station rights but, i'm told, FCC drivers will not be maintaining route knowledge into St.P so in a very short time all FCC drivers will not be able to go in there. You do have to wonder where all the trains will go when Moorgate is closed in 2008 and where they will go in the meantime if anything closes central london. I know its not ideal but Kentish Town is more than likely the answer as you can use Platforms 3 and 4 to terminate in when there is through-london running and in the event of a total london block you can use all four platforms to terminate in. This would be more capacity than St. P as there is only 4 platforms to share with MML who have amazingly long turn-around times. Will the new St.P Thameslink station have the capacity to turn trains round to/from the north? If this is so, presumably FCC believe this will obviate the need to use St.P Midland. Robin |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
In message , at 11:46:28 on Tue, 6
Nov 2007, R.C. Payne remarked: Will the new St.P Thameslink station have the capacity to turn trains round to/from the north? It would extraordinarily remiss if it didn't. If this is so, presumably FCC believe this will obviate the need to use St.P Midland. Indeed so. Or to have to do it at Kentish Town. -- Roland Perry |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
"R.C. Payne" wrote in message ... Nathan wrote: Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station, normally only used when the tunnels are shut. FCC may have station rights but, i'm told, FCC drivers will not be maintaining route knowledge into St.P so in a very short time all FCC drivers will not be able to go in there. You do have to wonder where all the trains will go when Moorgate is closed in 2008 and where they will go in the meantime if anything closes central london. I know its not ideal but Kentish Town is more than likely the answer as you can use Platforms 3 and 4 to terminate in when there is through-london running and in the event of a total london block you can use all four platforms to terminate in. This would be more capacity than St. P as there is only 4 platforms to share with MML who have amazingly long turn-around times. Will the new St.P Thameslink station have the capacity to turn trains round to/from the north? If this is so, presumably FCC believe this will obviate the need to use St.P Midland. As I posted earlier, it is plain from FCC's engineering works posters that they do indeed have the capacity to turn trains at St Pancras International (low level platforms). Paul |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
"Mizter T" wrote in message oups.com... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The opening will happen this evening (not least because Bettie is a bit tied up giving a speech at some riverside club house during the day). Surely to save taxpayers money, she should have made her way directly there in the golden coach straight after delivering Gordon's speech! |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
MichaelJP wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message oups.com... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The opening will happen this evening (not least because Bettie is a bit tied up giving a speech at some riverside club house during the day). Surely to save taxpayers money, she should have made her way directly there in the golden coach straight after delivering Gordon's speech! Perhaps the said coach is out of gauge on the Circle Line. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683693.html (51344 (Class 117) at Oxford, 2 Jun 1985) |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
As I posted earlier, it is plain from FCC's engineering works posters that they do indeed have the capacity to turn trains at St Pancras International (low level platforms). I did have a chuckle at one piece of propaganda that said there have been 16 sets of points upgraded between Kentish Town and Kings Cross. Could anyone name them all? AFAIAA there will be no turnback facilities at St P. International LL (no signals and no pointwork). Given that any future work or blocks will be south of Kings Cross Thameslink station, I can only imagine that all turnback trains will just travel empty to KX and then use the pointwork that was originally used for trains terminating there from the south during the original blockade of Kings Cross. I can see a split service of trains terminating at Kentish Town and some terminating at St. Pancras |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Paul Scott wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message oups.com... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The other is that the surrounding roads are now open as of Saturday 3rd November (so the sign said). As far as I could see (but I may have got it wrong) Pancras Road is fully open for two-way traffic all the way from Euston Road up to the Goods Way / Camley Street junction, and Midland Road is open for one-way southbound traffic into Euston Road. The taxi rank is now on Midland Road, and that's now the taxi drop-off point as well (as opposed to the old location on Pancras Road). The southbound route from Goods Way (along Pancras Road) is a taxi (and goods vehicle) only route And pushbike! How about buses? Until recently, they were going that way too, but now i think about it, i don't recall seeing any yesterday or this morning on my way to work. for the Kings Cross rank which is now on the west of that station (the internal rank alongside KX platform 1 has been closed for a while. I took a walk up there last Saturday, and its remarkable how many car drivers didn't understand the signage, and found themselves in a queue of taxis , with a double white line on their offside! Well, car drivers are a dozy lot, so who can blame them. The key to understanding it is that Pancras and Midland roads, along with the eastbound lane of Euston Road, now form a wrong-way-round gyratory encircling St Pancras station. tom -- But for [Flavor Flav's] "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BOYYYYYYYYYY"s alone he should be given Rap Legend status. -- Nate Patrin, ILX |
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On 6 Nov, 08:57, Mizter T wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The opening will happen this evening [...] I'm currently watching the ghost of Barlow speak at a webcast of the event he http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/..._webcast.shtml |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:14:37 -0800, Mizter T
wrote: On 6 Nov, 08:57, Mizter T wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The opening will happen this evening [...] I'm currently watching the ghost of Barlow speak at a webcast of the event he http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/..._webcast.shtml I watched it too. Cabaret with garnish of spin. |
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On 6 Nov, 10:54, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"R.C. Payne" wrote in message Mizter T wrote: Oh, and last thing - unless I've got this one wrong St Pancras station appears to have it's own logo - which is neither the Eurostar logo nor the HS1 logo - it's black and white and I couldn't really work out what it was supposed to depict but I could only find it on street signs around the station rather than on the station itself. My memory (faulty?) is that all the Network Rail run London stations have a logo associated with them. Is this the logo you have seen? No, because St. P ain't a Network Rail station and has hence never had a Network Rail logo (in fact I think those logos used for Network Rail's major stations were in fact inherited from Railtrack). That was my thought initially, someone's posted a link to those logos in the past, but at the moment St Pancras isn't run by NR. Was it before the rebuild, or did MML run it like the other 'minor' stations such as Marylebone (Chiltern) and Fenchurch St (c2c)? I'm sure I've read that St Pancras station became the property of London & Continental Railways at the time of privatisation - i.e. it was handed over from BRB ownership directly to LCR in the mid 90's, and hence has never been a Railtrack/ Network Rail owned station. How it was managed on a day to day basis I can't say - I can only assume that Midland Mainline (the TOC) was basically responsible for that side of things. |
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Paul Scott wrote:
There are very regular closures of the Thameslink route from the new year onwards, IIRC from FCC publicity, some trains will be reversing at St Pancras International (formerly Midland Rd). There was something you missed. I passed through Luton this morning and read a FCC poster that explicitly stated that during the closures you mentioned a limited FCC service would operate to/from platforms 1-4 at St Pancras - i.e. the Midland Main Line high-level platforms. The only exception is the weekend before the New Year when Carlton Road Junction will be renewed (about bloody time too!) - FCC trains will proceed no further south than West Hampstead Thameslink. |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
Nathan wrote:
I did have a chuckle at one piece of propaganda that said there have been 16 sets of points upgraded between Kentish Town and Kings Cross. Could anyone name them all? AFAIAA there will be no turnback facilities at St P. International LL (no signals and no pointwork). Given that any future work or blocks will be south of Kings Cross Thameslink station, I can only imagine that all turnback trains will just travel empty to KX and then use the pointwork that was originally used for trains terminating there from the south during the original blockade of Kings Cross. I can see a split service of trains terminating at Kentish Town and some terminating at St. Pancras I saw a FCC engineering works poster at Luton, and it explicitly stated the use of platforms 1-4 at St Pancras (i.e. the high-level platforms) by FCC services during the closures. Whether or not they eventually choose to use their own platforms during the closures instead remains to be seen. |
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On 6 Nov, 08:57, Mizter T wrote:
I see now that the Midland mainline platform-level concourse and platforms offer a pretty good view across the whole Barlow trainshed now that the hoardings have largely come down and been replaced with glass walls. The roof is splendid, lots of light coming through so quite a change from the dingy St P of old. I went to have a look at lunchtime today - by my reckoning the clock by the entrance is counting down the minutes to something like 7.54am, though at least the day is correct. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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Roebuck gently breathed: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:14:37 -0800, Mizter T wrote: On 6 Nov, 08:57, Mizter T wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The opening will happen this evening [...] I'm currently watching the ghost of Barlow speak at a webcast of the event he http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/...st_pancras_web cast.shtml I watched it too. Ditto - that was fun! And nice to see them making a big splash about it. Cabaret with garnish of spin. Indeed - especially the bit about the benefits of development from the property developer guy. And I'd have liked to have seen more of the Class 395. But good to see them making a big fuss of re-opening a railway station nevertheless. -- - DJ Pyromancer, Black Sheep, Leeds. http://www.sheepish.net Hard Rock, Leeds http://www.hard-rock.org.uk Broadband, Dialup, Domains = http://www.wytches.net = The UK's Pagan ISP! http://www.inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk http://www.revival.stormshadow.com |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Paul Scott wrote: The southbound route from Goods Way (along Pancras Road) is a taxi (and goods vehicle) only route And pushbike! How about buses? Until recently, they were going that way too, but now i think about it, i don't recall seeing any yesterday or this morning on my way to work. for the Kings Cross rank which is now on the west of that station (the internal rank alongside KX platform 1 has been closed for a while. I took a walk up there last Saturday, and its remarkable how many car drivers didn't understand the signage, and found themselves in a queue of taxis , with a double white line on their offside! Well, car drivers are a dozy lot, so who can blame them. Its that difficult to understand sign that usually gets referred to as 'Danger - low flying motorbikes' - most car drivers are pretty well aware of the normal 'No Entry' sign... Paul |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
"Chris Tolley" wrote in message .. . MichaelJP wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message oups.com... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The opening will happen this evening (not least because Bettie is a bit tied up giving a speech at some riverside club house during the day). Surely to save taxpayers money, she should have made her way directly there in the golden coach straight after delivering Gordon's speech! Perhaps the said coach is out of gauge on the Circle Line. Perhaps the private underground railway doesn't go to St Pancras yet either... Paul |
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Paul Scott wrote:
Its that difficult to understand sign that usually gets referred to as 'Danger - low flying motorbikes' - most car drivers are pretty well aware of the normal 'No Entry' sign... The sign would have to be triangular to have the meaning you suggest. Being circular it must prohibit low-flying motorbikes, like the one that prohibits drivers of vehicles with sun roofs having yellow afro hairdos. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p15036441.html (47 443 at Wolverhampton, 1977) |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Chris Tolley wrote:
Paul Scott wrote: Its that difficult to understand sign that usually gets referred to as 'Danger - low flying motorbikes' - most car drivers are pretty well aware of the normal 'No Entry' sign... The sign would have to be triangular to have the meaning you suggest. Being circular it must prohibit low-flying motorbikes, like the one that prohibits drivers of vehicles with sun roofs having yellow afro hairdos. Ginger afros, isn't it? tom -- If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special. |
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Chris Tolley wrote:
Paul Scott wrote: Its that difficult to understand sign that usually gets referred to as 'Danger - low flying motorbikes' - most car drivers are pretty well aware of the normal 'No Entry' sign... The sign would have to be triangular to have the meaning you suggest. Being circular it must prohibit low-flying motorbikes, like the one that prohibits drivers of vehicles with sun roofs having yellow afro hairdos. I always figured it was to prevent people undertaking Evil Knevil type stunts. Granted, jumping over a single car isn't that big a deal considering what others ahve done, but you have to start somewhere. Robin |
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I presume we won't be allowed into most of St Pancras when the Eurostars start running, but are we allowed to explore it now? |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message ... I presume we won't be allowed into most of St Pancras when the Eurostars start running, but are we allowed to explore it now? I don't think access will be as limited as you might imagine after next Wednesday. Only the arrival and departure areas/lounges for Eurostar will be off limits, where security and passport control takes place, but they are in the undercroft level. There will be pretty good access otherwise, at both undercroft level for the shops, and the route from the underground Western ticket hall, past the Eurostar sales office to the domestic concourse, and from the front of the station, at platform level, through the old taxi access, across and up the west side all the way to the MML platforms. If you were to have visited a few days ago, you wouldn't have got down the length of the main shed, but only because shopfitting etc was still going on, I'm not sure if any more has opened since the Queen's visit last night, but as major stations go I believe access will be quite good... A few months ago I had no problem walking to the end of one of the vacant MML platforms for a look round, however they normally man their barriers if there is a train there. Paul |
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All the events and run up to the opening of St. Pancras International brings
up one question in my mind: What will happen with the old Waterloo International and all the equipment there? "Paul Scott" wrote in message ... "John Rowland" wrote in message ... I presume we won't be allowed into most of St Pancras when the Eurostars start running, but are we allowed to explore it now? I don't think access will be as limited as you might imagine after next Wednesday. Only the arrival and departure areas/lounges for Eurostar will be off limits, where security and passport control takes place, but they are in the undercroft level. There will be pretty good access otherwise, at both undercroft level for the shops, and the route from the underground Western ticket hall, past the Eurostar sales office to the domestic concourse, and from the front of the station, at platform level, through the old taxi access, across and up the west side all the way to the MML platforms. If you were to have visited a few days ago, you wouldn't have got down the length of the main shed, but only because shopfitting etc was still going on, I'm not sure if any more has opened since the Queen's visit last night, but as major stations go I believe access will be quite good... A few months ago I had no problem walking to the end of one of the vacant MML platforms for a look round, however they normally man their barriers if there is a train there. Paul |
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wrote in message . uk... All the events and run up to the opening of St. Pancras International brings up one question in my mind: What will happen with the old Waterloo International and all the equipment there? 99% lprobable to be rebuilt for SWT use, indeed the recent NR business plan reports the first platform (20?) will be made available during next year. Making full use of the international side requires the current 6 track approach to Waterloo to be reverted to the former 8 track as well, this would require the Nine Elms flyover to be demolished. Just about all the detail you might need is in this DfT report. . http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/wi...waterlooin3459 The best use is reckoned to be for the SWT long distance trains though, so a flyover east of Clapham Junction to swap the SWML and Windsor lines over from their current locations is also a recommendation. Paul |
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In message , at 18:40:02 on Wed,
7 Nov 2007, John Rowland remarked: I presume we won't be allowed into most of St Pancras when the Eurostars start running, but are we allowed to explore it now? The "airside" part of St Pancras is well under half of the lower level of the new station. Upstairs it's also a little under half, but visible from the domestic sections. -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:57:42 -0800, Mizter T wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7080278.stm The opening will happen this evening (not least because Bettie is a bit tied up giving a speech at some riverside club house during the day). As we are doing St Pancras I happened to spot in the BBC schedules next week what looks like a new series tracing the development of the site. Tuesday 13/11/07 22.00-22.30 BBC2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings..._4224_24705_30 -- Paul C |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Paul Scott wrote: The southbound route from Goods Way (along Pancras Road) is a taxi (and goods vehicle) only route And pushbike! How about buses? Until recently, they were going that way too, but now i think about it, i don't recall seeing any yesterday or this morning on my way to work. It seems they stopped going that way on November 4th. I saw no warning of this (I use the bus stop outside the KX suburban platforms regularly) and today the bus stop itself had already disappeared, although the shelter is still there. They go down Midland Road now. There were a fair number of confused passengers milling around outside KX today wondering where the buses had gone. |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
As we are doing St Pancras I happened to spot in the BBC schedules next week what looks like a new series tracing the development of the site. Tuesday 13/11/07 22.00-22.30 BBC2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings..._4224_24705_30 It's a six-part series, according to the "Radio Times". Part one is at 22:00 next Tuesday and part two is the following day at the same time. Part three is then the following Tuesday. |
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On 7 Nov, 22:14, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote: As we are doing St Pancras I happened to spot in the BBC schedules next week what looks like a new series tracing the development of the site. Tuesday 13/11/07 22.00-22.30 BBC2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings...y=tuesday&serv... It's a six-part series, according to the "Radio Times". Part one is at 22:00 next Tuesday and part two is the following day at the same time. Part three is then the following Tuesday. Thanks. I'm certain I'm not alone in finding it very frustrating not knowing how many episodes a television series will have, let alone when the next episodes will be. It's really basic information, so I find it really shabby that the broadcasters website can fail to provide it. |
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On 7 Nov, 22:00, Kevin ashley
wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Paul Scott wrote: The southbound route from Goods Way (along Pancras Road) is a taxi (and goods vehicle) only route And pushbike! How about buses? Until recently, they were going that way too, but now i think about it, i don't recall seeing any yesterday or this morning on my way to work. It seems they stopped going that way on November 4th. I saw no warning of this (I use the bus stop outside the KX suburban platforms regularly) and today the bus stop itself had already disappeared, although the shelter is still there. They go down Midland Road now. There were a fair number of confused passengers milling around outside KX today wondering where the buses had gone. I must say it's pretty shabby of TfL Buses to have failed to put up any posters or signs about this move. |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Kevin ashley wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Paul Scott wrote: The southbound route from Goods Way (along Pancras Road) is a taxi (and goods vehicle) only route And pushbike! How about buses? Until recently, they were going that way too, but now i think about it, i don't recall seeing any yesterday or this morning on my way to work. It seems they stopped going that way on November 4th. I saw no warning of this (I use the bus stop outside the KX suburban platforms regularly) and today the bus stop itself had already disappeared, although the shelter is still there. They go down Midland Road now. There were a fair number of confused passengers milling around outside KX today wondering where the buses had gone. Hmm. They've not done a great job with signage and information generally, really. I can confirm that Pancras Road is bikeable - the sign controlling entry is the 'no Evel Knievel' sign (with a taxi exemption), which doesn't exclude bikes, and there's a bike box halfway along. It's not a great bike route, though, as it's permanently full of stationary traffic (taxis waiting), and the lane isn't wide enough for a bike and a cab, which means you're usually noodling along on the wrong side of the double white line. I think i'm going to switch to Midland Road - even though there's not as much to look at! Also, i noticed that the right turn out of Judd Street (as you come north up to Euston Road, opposite Midland Road), is now permitted. It used to be banned, as a right turn here conflicts with traffic coming south out of Midland Road. I assume the reason it's now allowed is that Midland Road is now southbound only, so there's no way for traffic coming up Judd Street to get anywhere much if it can't turn right. This seems a retrograde step, though - now Midland Road is southbound only, the last thing cars coming down it and wanting to go south or west want is to have to face off against cars turning across them! It probably won't be that bad, what with the tides and Judd Street being a fairly minor road, but it still seems odd. Could Judd Street have been made one way southbound too? tom -- Understanding the universe is the final purpose, as far as I'm concerned. -- Ian York |
"Queen to open St Pancras station" today
Tom Anderson wrote:
Also, i noticed that the right turn out of Judd Street (as you come north up to Euston Road, opposite Midland Road), is now permitted. It used to be banned, as a right turn here conflicts with traffic coming south out of Midland Road. I assume the reason it's now allowed is that Midland Road is now southbound only, so there's no way for traffic coming up Judd Street to get anywhere much if it can't turn right. This seems a retrograde step, though - now Midland Road is southbound only, the last thing cars coming down it and wanting to go south or west want is to have to face off against cars turning across them! It probably won't be that bad, what with the tides and Judd Street being a fairly minor road, but it still seems odd. Could Judd Street have been made one way southbound too? That is a terrible reason to make a road one-way. Suppose that you lived at the north end of Judd Street and visited your girlfriend in Chalton Street regularly - would you still think that the above constituted a good reason to make Judd Street s/b only? Bear in mind that there no left turn out of Mabledon Place, and you can't get out Dukes Road either, and I don't think the right turn from Tavistock Place to Tavistock Sq is allowed, and you can't do a right turn to Euston Road from Upper Woburn Place or Gordon Street. |
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