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On 16 Nov, 12:55, JohnW wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:05:15 -0000, Adrian

wrote:

The implication is that one can dial
222 1234 within a notional STD code of "0207" AND expect to be
connected. I have heard that there are a handful of exchanges within
London were that does work. However the standard is now eight digit
local numbers within London. Dialing eight digits within STD code
"020" will always work.

Not if the number is of the form: 020 0123 4567. There are
some numbers issued to network service providers, for example,
in the 020 0... range that can only be dialled as 11 digits,
even from within the 020 area. The recommendation is for them
not to use the (020) 0... format when writing the number,
since this indicates optional numbers

I thought all the London exchanges accepting 7 digits for
local routing had been fixed, since how are they to know if
the number being dialled is 7 or 8 digits? (123 4567 or 1234
5678) We don't use time-outs.


If it did work, and I don't know if it does, it would presumably only
work if the first number was one that no 8-digit numbers currently
start with. So maybe 222 1234, for example, if there are no 8-digit
numbers beginning with 2 (yet).

The system never knows whether a number beginning with 0 is 11 digits
or some unknowable number of digits in a foreign number until the
second 0 is dialled*, so obviously numbers can be resolved as further
digits are dialled.

*Funny how we say dialled. I wonder when anyone last did that.

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Bill Hayles writes:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), Adrian
wrote:

If I had to take a guess, I would say that, for some countries,
telephone area codes will dissappear with a few decades.

In Spain, they already have.

Ditto for Denmark and Norway.

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In message k
"Richard J." wrote:

G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar
wrote:

One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays
the area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207
/ 0208, too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
Mobiles = 5 digits

Yes, most people seem to group the first five digits of a mobile number
(07xxx) together, but I'm not aware of any written convention that says
you should. Personally I quote mine as 0787 xxx xxxx because it easier
to remember that way.

When mobiles first came out the numbers were 10 digits, a group of four,
which identified the service company, then 6 digits to identify the
individual phone. The first group was to match in with the STD system which
used four digits to identify key exchanges. Subsequently they added in an
extra digit (7) in second place to give a number of the form 078 xxxx xxxx
however most people regarded their individual number as the six digit section
so would quote 07850 xxxxxx (in my case)


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"Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote in message
: : In article
: : .com,
: : Adrian writes
: : : The implication is that one can dial
: : : 222 1234 within a notional STD code of "0207" AND
: : : expect to be connected. I have heard that there are
: : : a handful of exchanges within London were that does
: : : work.
: :
: : I would very much doubt that, unless you're talking
: : about PBXes. If you can identify one, please let me
: : know and I'll ensure it gets fixed.

I can dial any number on 0121-25x xxxx with just the last 4 digits ;-)

Ivor

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"MIG" wrote in message


[snip]

: : *Funny how we say dialled. I wonder when anyone last
: : did that.

About 10 minutes ago, actually, to place a call on CNET (www.ckts.info)
using a 2-tone green 706 :-)

Ivor

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On Nov 14, 1:42 pm, Rob wrote:
Hi

Does anyone know where I can find a comprehensive list of London
Underground ventilation shafts, used and disused? I went to a lecture
recently and they said there were 190 of them in total.

That must have been ONE HELL of a lecture!
LOROL!

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:30:42 +0000, G wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:09 pm, Mizter T wrote:
Yes yes it isn't written in the 'approved' format, but thousands
(millions?) of Londoners do the same and manage just fine.
And many of them get very confused when I tell them my WC1 address and
020 3xxx xxxx number, because to them it's 'not a London number'...

This is very transient - I lived in Nottingham when domestic households
were first getting 0115-8xxxxxx numbers (where the local number had
originally started with a 9) and people got used to the new numbers very
quickly.


On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:46:08 +0000, bin me wrote:
Same problem here, in leafy Surrey. Non geographic numbers might
seem good to some people, but I don't like them.

020-3 is very much geographic. :-)



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On Nov 16, 4:50 pm, Offramp wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:42 pm, Rob wrote:

Hi

Does anyone know where I can find a comprehensive list of London
Underground ventilation shafts, used and disused? I went to a lecture
recently and they said there were 190 of them in total.

That must have been ONE HELL of a lecture!
LOROL!

Yes it was David Waboso, head of Engineering at London Underground
speaking at the Royal Academy of Engineers - really interesting guy
who is so passionate about the future of the Underground. You can
check out the lecture here

http://www.raeng.org.uk/events/details.htm?Event=208

Rob

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:24:07 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

"MIG" wrote in message


[snip]

: : *Funny how we say dialled. I wonder when anyone last
: : did that.

About 10 minutes ago, actually, to place a call on CNET (www.ckts.info)
using a 2-tone green 706 :-)

A couple of days ago on a red tele 312 (don't ask g).

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On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
Mobiles = 5 digits

I don't see that as silly at all - I see that as flexible. In the US
they have a totally rigid format of (xxx) xxx xxxx - and it just can't
adapt well to rising demand, hence the need to split area codes or add
overlay area codes - see an earlier post of mine on this issue
upthread, or read it he
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....01e56b4a3ae90d

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:38:25 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar
wrote:

One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays
the area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207
/ 0208, too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
Mobiles = 5 digits

Yes, most people seem to group the first five digits of a mobile number
(07xxx) together, but I'm not aware of any written convention that says
you should. Personally I quote mine as 0787 xxx xxxx because it easier
to remember that way.

Hmm. Mine starts 07976, after which I find the natural place in the
speaking rhythm to leave a pause. I presume 0787x would be the same.

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:06:19 -0800 (PST), MIG
wrote:

*Funny how we say dialled. I wonder when anyone last did that.

Well, we have the Royal Mail, which delivers the post.

And the US has the Postal Service, which (naturally) delivers the
mail!

:)

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"James Farrar" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:38:25 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Yes, most people seem to group the first five digits of a mobile number
(07xxx) together, but I'm not aware of any written convention that says
you should. Personally I quote mine as 0787 xxx xxxx because it easier
to remember that way.

I tend to split mine as 07748 xxx xxx so as to agree with the convention for
landline numbers that you (usually) have a 5-digit code followed by a
6-digit number that is usually say in groups of three digits. I find it more
difficult to absorb numbers in pairs or in fours. At least in the UK we
don't use the absurd convention of saying the pairs as if they were tens and
units: thirty-eight, twenty-four, thirty-six. Germany is particularly
ludicrous because numbers in German are said backwards in "four-and-twenty
blackbirds" notation so as someone reads out a number you don't even write
down the digits in the order that you hear them. Watching a German write
down a phone number is most amusing because many write down the digits by
taking two steps forward and one step back, rather than waiting to hear the
whole sechs-und-dreizig and then writing down a 3 (dreizig) followed by a 6
(sechs).

Hmm. Mine starts 07976, after which I find the natural place in the
speaking rhythm to leave a pause. I presume 0787x would be the same.

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

Hmmm. I don't the allusion. Am I going to kick myself when someone explains
it? Is it a number that makes a word on a calculator display if you turn it
upside down - like 0553 or 77345.

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, James Farrar wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:38:25 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar
wrote:

One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays
the area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207
/ 0208, too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
Mobiles = 5 digits

Yes, most people seem to group the first five digits of a mobile number
(07xxx) together, but I'm not aware of any written convention that says
you should. Personally I quote mine as 0787 xxx xxxx because it easier
to remember that way.

Hmm. Mine starts 07976, after which I find the natural place in the
speaking rhythm to leave a pause. I presume 0787x would be the same.

I do the same - 07960, then six digits. In my case, the six digits are of
the pattern XAXBXC, with each pair starting with the same digit, so this
group has a strong natural cadence, reinforcing its separateness from the
preceding digits.

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

Live And Kicking!

tom

--
I am become Life, destroyer of worlds

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the
pairs as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four,
thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine.

Germany is particularly ludicrous because numbers in German are said
backwards in "four-and-twenty blackbirds" notation so as someone reads
out a number you don't even write down the digits in the order that you
hear them. Watching a German write down a phone number is most amusing
because many write down the digits by taking two steps forward and one
step back, rather than waiting to hear the whole sechs-und-dreizig and
then writing down a 3 (dreizig) followed by a 6 (sechs).

This is indeed a highly entertaining fact.

tom

--
I am become Life, destroyer of worlds

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, BRB Class 465 wrote:

7) Grass Area 14

Which what where now?

tom

--
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the pairs
as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four, thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine.

I've obviously been over-indoctrinated by the 3-digit police, because I
didn't spot the pattern - I'd have said it as two-seven-two, eight-two-nine.
But now you point it out to me, I can see the grouping, though I'd still say
two-seven, two-eight, two-nine.

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In message
Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

Mobiles = 5 digits


Actually they all end up as XXX XXXX XXXX if you work it out.

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On 16 Nov, 18:46, James Farrar wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:38:25 GMT, "Richard J."



wrote:
G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar
wrote:

One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays
the area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207
/ 0208, too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
Mobiles = 5 digits

Yes, most people seem to group the first five digits of a mobile number
(07xxx) together, but I'm not aware of any written convention that says
you should. Personally I quote mine as 0787 xxx xxxx because it easier
to remember that way.

Hmm. Mine starts 07976, after which I find the natural place in the
speaking rhythm to leave a pause. I presume 0787x would be the same.

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

That prize is going... going... going... to me!

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On 16 Nov, 19:04, "Mortimer" wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message

(snip)

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

Hmmm. I don't the allusion. Am I going to kick myself when someone explains
it? Is it a number that makes a word on a calculator display if you turn it
upside down - like 0553 or 77345.

You might (Live and) Kick(iing) yourself, but the number has a more
archaic roots than that. See my other (winning?) post.

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On 16 Nov, 19:30, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, BRB Class 465 wrote:
7) Grass Area 14

Which what where now?

tom


It's TfL's own Area 51. Now shush, otherwise Commissioner Hendy's low-
vis clad Praedtorian Street Guard heavies might come knocking in the
midst of the night and take you away on a somewhat more ominous type
of unresolved journey...

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message

Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392


That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both 023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on both
sides - weird)

Paul

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message

Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

But they don't.

If a caller on 023 9257 1234 wants to call 023 9257 2345, they *can't* dial
57 2345, but they *can* dial 9257 2345. Similarly if they want to call 023
8065 4321, they can dial 8065 4321. There are *not* area codes of 02380 and
02392; there is an area code of 023.
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On Nov 16, 5:19 pm, Rob wrote:
On Nov 16, 4:50 pm, Offramp wrote:

On Nov 14, 1:42 pm, Rob wrote:

That must have been ONE HELL of a lecture!
LOROL!

Yes it was David Waboso, head of Engineering at London Underground
speaking at the Royal Academy of Engineers - really interesting guy
who is so passionate about the future of the Underground. You can
check out the lecture here

http://www.raeng.org.uk/events/details.htm?Event=208

Sorry to sound flippant. I've actually found this thread very
interesting! Strange how it is interwoven with the dialling codes
thread.

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Paul Scott wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message

Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.
I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392


That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both 023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on both
sides - weird)

They key factor as to where the are code ends and the local number
starts is what you can dial without dialling the full number. From any
(023) number you can dial an 8 digit number for any other (023) number.
So (023) is the area code. Just odd that it is two areas, blame OFTEL,
as was.

--
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"Rev Adrian Kennard" wrote in message
...
Paul Scott wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380,
Portsmouth
02392

That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of
it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both
023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you
have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on
both
sides - weird)

They key factor as to where the are code ends and the local number
starts is what you can dial without dialling the full number. From any
(023) number you can dial an 8 digit number for any other (023) number.
So (023) is the area code. Just odd that it is two areas, blame OFTEL,
as was.

I reckon the long term plan is that 023 will become the Solent area, and the
codes inbetween (geographically speaking) will disappear when they need to
become 8 digit numbers. BTW the BT dialling code search recognises 023 ok
since I last checked, so that problem has gone away...

Paul

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0000, Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
th.li...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the pairs
as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four, thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine.

I've obviously been over-indoctrinated by the 3-digit police, because I
didn't spot the pattern - I'd have said it as two-seven-two, eight-two-nine.
But now you point it out to me, I can see the grouping, though I'd still say
two-seven, two-eight, two-nine.

My mobile number fits the pattern of 823636 (different numbers though!). I
tend to read it out as eight-two, three-six-three-six.

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"Soruk" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0000, Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
rth.li...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the
pairs
as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four, thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine.

I've obviously been over-indoctrinated by the 3-digit police, because I
didn't spot the pattern - I'd have said it as two-seven-two,
eight-two-nine.
But now you point it out to me, I can see the grouping, though I'd still
say
two-seven, two-eight, two-nine.

My mobile number fits the pattern of 823636 (different numbers though!). I
tend to read it out as eight-two, three-six-three-six.

The other oddity is when a number has been extended by having additional
digits added to the beginning. My parents' number was originally four digits
and then had a 61 added to the beginning. Thirty years later, they still say
61 1234 [fictitious number] rather than 611 234, breaking the number with a
definite pause between the new prefix and the original number! Likewise my
grandpa's number had a 2 added at the time of Phoneday when the code for
Leeds changed, he always answered it as "Leeds 2 [pause] 123 456".

How did we stray off the subject of LU ventilation shafts? ;-)

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On Nov 16, 12:34 pm, Rev Adrian Kennard wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message

Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.
I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both 023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on both
sides - weird)

They key factor as to where the are code ends and the local number
starts is what you can dial without dialling the full number. From any
(023) number you can dial an 8 digit number for any other (023) number.
So (023) is the area code. Just odd that it is two areas, blame OFTEL,
as was.

--
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- Show quoted text -

Indeed so. My number starts 023-9200 nnnn. Dialling 00nnnn would
look to the equipment like the miss-dialled international number.

Presumably the rest of the Solent area was intended to eventually
become part of 023. Who knows what will happen now that Offcom have
changed policy.

Adrian

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In message
"David Biddulph" groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message

Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

But they don't.

If a caller on 023 9257 1234 wants to call 023 9257 2345, they *can't* dial
57 2345, but they *can* dial 9257 2345. Similarly if they want to call 023
8065 4321, they can dial 8065 4321. There are *not* area codes of 02380
and 02392; there is an area code of 023.

Tell that to BT, they insist they are seperate codes, see your phone book for
details. I suspect it is to do with the well known antipathy between the two
ports, neither side will admit they share an area code with the other.

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:10:22 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
"David Biddulph" groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message

Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

But they don't.

If a caller on 023 9257 1234 wants to call 023 9257 2345, they *can't* dial
57 2345, but they *can* dial 9257 2345. Similarly if they want to call 023
8065 4321, they can dial 8065 4321. There are *not* area codes of 02380
and 02392; there is an area code of 023.

Tell that to BT, they insist they are seperate codes, see your phone book for
details. I suspect it is to do with the well known antipathy between the two
ports, neither side will admit they share an area code with the other.

The two places are in different charging groups aren't they ? Issuing
different STD codes to places which are in different charging groups
but the same numbering scheme is nothing new; it makes things slightly
less confusing than IIRC the arrangement in 0191-land where calling
from the surrounding area to an adjacent 0191- exchange is a local
call but calling to the far side is a national call.

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:18:11 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

Live And Kicking!

Indeed!

Going Live! used 081 811 8181 from the 071/081 split (previously it
had used 01 811 8055, inherited from Saturday Superstore (and, I
believe, from Multi-Coloured Swap Shop before it, although that was
before my time). 081 811 8181 then passed to L&K, becoming 0181 811
8181 on PhONE Day.

[Mostly from memory; how sad am I? ;) ]

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 19:04, "Mortimer" wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

Hmmm. I don't the allusion. Am I going to kick myself when someone explains
it? Is it a number that makes a word on a calculator display if you turn it
upside down - like 0553 or 77345.

You might (Live and) Kick(iing) yourself, but the number has a more
archaic roots than that. See my other (winning?) post.

My timestamp:

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:18:11 +0000

Your timestamp:

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:10:19 -0800 (PST)

I think yours works out to 20:10:19 God's own Mean Time. Provided that
these times are meaningful and trustworthy, i'm afraid YAR BOO SUCKS TO
YOU.

tom

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

"Soruk" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0000, Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the
pairs as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four,
thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight,
twenty-nine.

I've obviously been over-indoctrinated by the 3-digit police, because
I didn't spot the pattern - I'd have said it as two-seven-two,
eight-two-nine. But now you point it out to me, I can see the
grouping, though I'd still say two-seven, two-eight, two-nine.

My mobile number fits the pattern of 823636 (different numbers
though!). I tend to read it out as eight-two, three-six-three-six.

The other oddity is when a number has been extended by having additional
digits added to the beginning. My parents' number was originally four
digits and then had a 61 added to the beginning. Thirty years later,
they still say 61 1234 [fictitious number] rather than 611 234, breaking
the number with a definite pause between the new prefix and the original
number! Likewise my grandpa's number had a 2 added at the time of
Phoneday when the code for Leeds changed, he always answered it as
"Leeds 2 [pause] 123 456".

Sounds like a football score! Although where you'd find a team called
12345, i don't know.

My mum used to say "Wivenhoe 1234" for years after we got regularised into
the Colchester dialling code.

tom

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007, James Farrar wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:18:11 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Unless your number is something like 0787 877 8787 (and a prize to the
first person to spot the allusion!)

Live And Kicking!

Indeed!

Going Live! used 081 811 8181 from the 071/081 split (previously it
had used 01 811 8055, inherited from Saturday Superstore (and, I
believe, from Multi-Coloured Swap Shop before it, although that was
before my time). 081 811 8181 then passed to L&K, becoming 0181 811
8181 on PhONE Day.

[Mostly from memory; how sad am I? ;) ]

Never mind that; for census purposes, do you consider yourself a dialling
code loony or a children's television loony? :)

tom

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message
"David Biddulph" groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
In message

Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays
the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 /
0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380,
Portsmouth
02392

But they don't.

If a caller on 023 9257 1234 wants to call 023 9257 2345, they *can't*
dial
57 2345, but they *can* dial 9257 2345. Similarly if they want to call
023
8065 4321, they can dial 8065 4321. There are *not* area codes of 02380
and 02392; there is an area code of 023.

Tell that to BT, they insist they are seperate codes, see your phone book
for
details. I suspect it is to do with the well known antipathy between the
two
ports, neither side will admit they share an area code with the other.

I've checked my phone book, and both Portsmouth and Southampton (and numbers
in the area) are shown as 023.
--
David Biddulph

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:39:57 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

"Soruk" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0000, Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the
pairs as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four,
thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight,
twenty-nine.

I've obviously been over-indoctrinated by the 3-digit police, because
I didn't spot the pattern - I'd have said it as two-seven-two,
eight-two-nine. But now you point it out to me, I can see the
grouping, though I'd still say two-seven, two-eight, two-nine.

My mobile number fits the pattern of 823636 (different numbers
though!). I tend to read it out as eight-two, three-six-three-six.

The other oddity is when a number has been extended by having additional
digits added to the beginning. My parents' number was originally four
digits and then had a 61 added to the beginning. Thirty years later,
they still say 61 1234 [fictitious number] rather than 611 234, breaking
the number with a definite pause between the new prefix and the original
number! Likewise my grandpa's number had a 2 added at the time of
Phoneday when the code for Leeds changed, he always answered it as
"Leeds 2 [pause] 123 456".

Sounds like a football score! Although where you'd find a team called
12345, i don't know.

Wolves 8
A cheese roll and had a cup of tea 2.

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:28:46 -0000, "Mortimer" wrote:

How did we stray off the subject of LU ventilation shafts? ;-)

I think that was my fault :)

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:31:16 +0000, James Farrar
wrote:

Going Live! used 081 811 8181 from the 071/081 split (previously it
had used 01 811 8055, inherited from Saturday Superstore (and, I
believe, from Multi-Coloured Swap Shop before it, although that was
before my time). 081 811 8181 then passed to L&K, becoming 0181 811
8181 on PhONE Day.

Very fortunate for the BBC that the new London code that applied to
them was 0(1)81...

I assume it's 09something expensive these days...

Neil

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:49:58 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

Actually they all end up as XXX XXXX XXXX if you work it out.

Though the dialling code on a mobile is essentially redundant, other
than that all mobile numbers start 07, as it's not as if you can dial
a shortened number from one.

Neil

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