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On 16 Nov, 19:30, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, BRB Class 465 wrote:
7) Grass Area 14

Which what where now?

tom


It's TfL's own Area 51. Now shush, otherwise Commissioner Hendy's low-
vis clad Praedtorian Street Guard heavies might come knocking in the
midst of the night and take you away on a somewhat more ominous type
of unresolved journey...

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392


That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both 023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on both
sides - weird)

Paul

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Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

But they don't.

If a caller on 023 9257 1234 wants to call 023 9257 2345, they *can't* dial
57 2345, but they *can* dial 9257 2345. Similarly if they want to call 023
8065 4321, they can dial 8065 4321. There are *not* area codes of 02380 and
02392; there is an area code of 023.
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On Nov 16, 5:19 pm, Rob wrote:
On Nov 16, 4:50 pm, Offramp wrote:

On Nov 14, 1:42 pm, Rob wrote:

That must have been ONE HELL of a lecture!
LOROL!

Yes it was David Waboso, head of Engineering at London Underground
speaking at the Royal Academy of Engineers - really interesting guy
who is so passionate about the future of the Underground. You can
check out the lecture here

http://www.raeng.org.uk/events/details.htm?Event=208

Sorry to sound flippant. I've actually found this thread very
interesting! Strange how it is interwoven with the dialling codes
thread.

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Paul Scott wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.
I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392


That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both 023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on both
sides - weird)

They key factor as to where the are code ends and the local number
starts is what you can dial without dialling the full number. From any
(023) number you can dial an 8 digit number for any other (023) number.
So (023) is the area code. Just odd that it is two areas, blame OFTEL,
as was.

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"Rev Adrian Kennard" wrote in message
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Paul Scott wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380,
Portsmouth
02392

That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of
it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both
023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you
have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on
both
sides - weird)

They key factor as to where the are code ends and the local number
starts is what you can dial without dialling the full number. From any
(023) number you can dial an 8 digit number for any other (023) number.
So (023) is the area code. Just odd that it is two areas, blame OFTEL,
as was.

I reckon the long term plan is that 023 will become the Solent area, and the
codes inbetween (geographically speaking) will disappear when they need to
become 8 digit numbers. BTW the BT dialling code search recognises 023 ok
since I last checked, so that problem has gone away...

Paul

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0000, Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
th.li...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the pairs
as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four, thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine.

I've obviously been over-indoctrinated by the 3-digit police, because I
didn't spot the pattern - I'd have said it as two-seven-two, eight-two-nine.
But now you point it out to me, I can see the grouping, though I'd still say
two-seven, two-eight, two-nine.

My mobile number fits the pattern of 823636 (different numbers though!). I
tend to read it out as eight-two, three-six-three-six.

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0000, Mortimer wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
rth.li...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Mortimer wrote:

At least in the UK we don't use the absurd convention of saying the
pairs
as if they were tens and units: thirty-eight, twenty-four, thirty-six.

I do, but only because my number is like that - it looks a bit like
272829, which reads nicely as twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine.

I've obviously been over-indoctrinated by the 3-digit police, because I
didn't spot the pattern - I'd have said it as two-seven-two,
eight-two-nine.
But now you point it out to me, I can see the grouping, though I'd still
say
two-seven, two-eight, two-nine.

My mobile number fits the pattern of 823636 (different numbers though!). I
tend to read it out as eight-two, three-six-three-six.

The other oddity is when a number has been extended by having additional
digits added to the beginning. My parents' number was originally four digits
and then had a 61 added to the beginning. Thirty years later, they still say
61 1234 [fictitious number] rather than 611 234, breaking the number with a
definite pause between the new prefix and the original number! Likewise my
grandpa's number had a 2 added at the time of Phoneday when the code for
Leeds changed, he always answered it as "Leeds 2 [pause] 123 456".

How did we stray off the subject of LU ventilation shafts? ;-)

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On Nov 16, 12:34 pm, Rev Adrian Kennard wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.
I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits
02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

That is a weird one, Clive DW was going to try and get to the bottom of it
for me, but the idea was surely that Southampton and Portsmouth are both 023
area code, with 80nnnnnn and 92nnnnnn numbers. But even the BT dialling
code site shows up 02380 and 02392 as separate codes, even though you have
to dial 8 numbers for local calls? (I'm in 01489, so have 023 areas on both
sides - weird)

They key factor as to where the are code ends and the local number
starts is what you can dial without dialling the full number. From any
(023) number you can dial an 8 digit number for any other (023) number.
So (023) is the area code. Just odd that it is two areas, blame OFTEL,
as was.

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Indeed so. My number starts 023-9200 nnnn. Dialling 00nnnn would
look to the equipment like the miss-dialled international number.

Presumably the rest of the Solent area was intended to eventually
become part of 023. Who knows what will happen now that Offcom have
changed policy.

Adrian

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Mizter T wrote:

On 16 Nov, 10:06, G wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:06 +0000, James Farrar

wrote:
One of the mobile companies -- Vodafone, I think -- that displays the
area the mobile is in on some handsets' screens displays 0207 / 0208,
too.

I put that down to the silly numbering conventions:

Large cities (e.g. Birmingham) = 4 digits (0121)
Provincial towns = 5 digits (e.g. 01772)
'02' numbers (e.g. London, NI, Cardiff) = 3 digits

02 numbers actually come out at 5 digits eg Southampton 02380, Portsmouth
02392

But they don't.

If a caller on 023 9257 1234 wants to call 023 9257 2345, they *can't* dial
57 2345, but they *can* dial 9257 2345. Similarly if they want to call 023
8065 4321, they can dial 8065 4321. There are *not* area codes of 02380
and 02392; there is an area code of 023.

Tell that to BT, they insist they are seperate codes, see your phone book for
details. I suspect it is to do with the well known antipathy between the two
ports, neither side will admit they share an area code with the other.

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