In message , at 20:28:24
on Sat, 1 Dec 2007, remarked:
Must admit that I don't understand all of what is going on here.

Why are they closing this station in the first place?

Because they've built a newer replacement under St Pancras.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 20:28:24 on
Sat, 1 Dec 2007, remarked:
Must admit that I don't understand all of what is going on here.

Why are they closing this station in the first place?

Because they've built a newer replacement under St Pancras.

Why did they build a new station anyway? If platform length was an issue,
then would it have not been easier and much loess expensive to redo the
current station and extend the platform?

wrote

Why did they build a new station anyway? If platform length was an issue,
then would it have not been easier and much loess expensive to redo the
current station and extend the platform?

It's sandwiched between tunnels. The platforms are narrow, and there's a
retaining wall one side and the LUL lines the other, so it would, at least,
be inordinately expensive either to lengthen or to widen the platforms. It's
also in an inconvenient location. The new station, St Pancras International
Low Level is much better sited for interchange with St Pancras
International, both EMML and E*, Kings Cross, and LUL lines (though some of
the interchanges will only reach their final form when the new Kings Cross
concourse and LUL northern ticket hall are built).

The existing Kings Cross Thameslink ticket hall will remain as an entrance
to the LUL station, and the platforms may be retained as an emergency exit.

In a sense, this change is completion of unfinished business from 1935, when
the Circle Line platforms were relocated from their original position
alongside Kings Cross Thameslink to their current position in front of St
Pancras International.

Peter

On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

Why did they build a new station anyway?

It's sandwiched between tunnels.
snip

All valid.

And also in the longer term the new station was designed for 4
platforms in the fullness of what was then TL2000 project when
integrated with GN.

Its only getting 2 platforms for now, and continues with 2 in the
present TL Program.

I'm not sure what has happened to the 4 car SPILL layout. The station
box is big enough AIUI.

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Nick

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 20:28:24
on Sat, 1 Dec 2007, remarked:
Must admit that I don't understand all of what is going on here.

Why are they closing this station in the first place?

Because they've built a newer replacement under St Pancras.

Why did they build a new station anyway? If platform length was an issue,
then would it have not been easier and much loess expensive to redo the
current station and extend the platform?


Summed up succinctly in the Secretary of State's closure agreement letter,
on the DfT website:

"38. The S of S is satisfied that the current station is inadequate in its
design and does not meet required safety standards as regards width of
platforms, lack of fire escapes and lack of step free access. Due to the
constraints of the site, and given that a new station will be provided, it
does not represent good value for money to improve the station."

Don't forget the station is back to back with the Met/Circle tracks, so it
would require major alterations to the LU lines as well. With surface
buildings and roads hemming in the site in all directions, and tunnels below
the surface buildings at both ends where extended platforms would need to
be, I don't think you can fault the decision to go for an entirely new and
much better connected replacement.

The CTRL/HS1 also had a bearing on the decision to resite, the new station
is under St Pancras especially to help deal with distribution of passengers
from Eurostar.

Paul S

"D7666" wrote in message
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On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

Why did they build a new station anyway?

It's sandwiched between tunnels.
snip

All valid.

And also in the longer term the new station was designed for 4
platforms in the fullness of what was then TL2000 project when
integrated with GN.

Its only getting 2 platforms for now, and continues with 2 in the
present TL Program.

I'm not sure what has happened to the 4 car SPILL layout. The station
box is big enough AIUI.


Most of the artist's impressions seem to show incredibly deep platforms,
certainly, but surely the construction of the GN junctions in the running
tunnels north of the station defines it as a two platform station now,
unless there have been allowances made south of the box for more S&C work?

Paul

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:39:52 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant
wrote:

On 1 Dec, 20:28, wrote:
Why are they closing this station in the first place?

Because it's too small (both in terms of platform length and in
general) and can't be easily extended. They've built a replacement
under St Pancras a short distance away.

Will FCC trains keep to their original route and simply bypass that station
or are there plans for a reroute?

They'll continue to run through it, but won't stop.

What are LUL's eventual plans for the station once it is closed, Crossrail?

Presumably the platforms etc will be removed in due course. The
station entrance will stay open as an alternative entrance to the tube
station.

If you look over the wall at Kings Cross Thameslink you'll see the
other two platforms. They haven't been used since 1940 when the
station was Kings Cross Met/Circle station but no significant removal
work has been carried out so I wouldn't expect much more than removal
of the platform edging to take place.

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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wrote

Why did they build a new station anyway? If platform length was an issue,
then would it have not been easier and much loess expensive to redo the
current station and extend the platform?

It's sandwiched between tunnels. The platforms are narrow, and there's a
retaining wall one side and the LUL lines the other, so it would, at
least,
be inordinately expensive either to lengthen or to widen the platforms.
It's
also in an inconvenient location.

Fair enough.

The new station, St Pancras International
Low Level is much better sited for interchange with St Pancras
International, both EMML and E*, Kings Cross, and LUL lines (though some
of
the interchanges will only reach their final form when the new Kings Cross
concourse and LUL northern ticket hall are built).

When is that due to happen?

In message , at 11:19:19
on Sun, 2 Dec 2007, remarked:
The new station, St Pancras International
Low Level is much better sited for interchange with St Pancras
International, both EMML and E*, Kings Cross, and LUL lines (though some
of
the interchanges will only reach their final form when the new Kings Cross
concourse and LUL northern ticket hall are built).

When is that due to happen?

If it hasn't slipped recently, 2010:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/3610.aspx
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Roland Perry

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:35:24 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:


"D7666" wrote in message
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On Dec 1, 1:25 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

Why did they build a new station anyway?

It's sandwiched between tunnels.
snip

All valid.

And also in the longer term the new station was designed for 4
platforms in the fullness of what was then TL2000 project when
integrated with GN.

Its only getting 2 platforms for now, and continues with 2 in the
present TL Program.

I'm not sure what has happened to the 4 car SPILL layout. The station
box is big enough AIUI.

I don't think that a 4 platform station was ever envisaged here. That
was a different plan with a new station roughly on the Kings Cross
Hotel site.

Most of the artist's impressions seem to show incredibly deep platforms,
certainly, but surely the construction of the GN junctions in the running
tunnels north of the station defines it as a two platform station now,
unless there have been allowances made south of the box for more S&C work?

The platfiormns do not look incredibly deep to me, just adequate (as
opposed tothe present KXTL which are far too narrow. Wheteher they
will prove wide enough to accomodate the passengers for GN services as
well remains to be seen. I suspect we will then get the Manchester
Picc treatment - wait in the 'lounge' until your train is the nect..

--
Peter Lawrence