On my journey from New X Gate to Canada Water today, I was surprised to
see just before Surrey Quays, evidence of new track forming a new
junction just south of Surrey Quays, which I think is heading in the
direction of Queens Road Peckham.
I can see the progress of the flyover north of New X gate but surprised
to see this other work as I thought that bit was stage 2.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Martin J.

"Martin J" wrote in message

On my journey from New X Gate to Canada Water today, I was surprised
to see just before Surrey Quays, evidence of new track forming a new
junction just south of Surrey Quays, which I think is heading in the
direction of Queens Road Peckham.
I can see the progress of the flyover north of New X gate but
surprised to see this other work as I thought that bit was stage 2.
Any thoughts?

Connection for works trains bringing in materials for the reconstruction
work?

"Martin J" wrote in message
...
On my journey from New X Gate to Canada Water today, I was surprised to
see just before Surrey Quays, evidence of new track forming a new junction
just south of Surrey Quays, which I think is heading in the direction of
Queens Road Peckham.
I can see the progress of the flyover north of New X gate but surprised to
see this other work as I thought that bit was stage 2.
Any thoughts?

Is it to be an access for NR engineering trains delivering new track,
ballast etc, off the NR lines? It'll be a while before access is available
from the north of the route, and in any event, its the only practical way
full length welded rail could be delivered. It wouldn't have to be built to
the full standards of the finished article, just a through siding, if only
to be used for limited activities during possessions.

Paul S

On 19 Dec, 21:47, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Is it to be an access for NR engineering trains delivering new track,
ballast etc, off the NR lines? It'll be a while before access is available
from the north of the route, and in any event, its the only practical way
full length welded rail could be delivered. It wouldn't have to be built to
the full standards of the finished article, just a through siding, if only
to be used for limited activities during possessions.

I'd think the connection to the outside world will be made at the
south end of New Cross Gate, which will also [probably] be needed as a
running line. The junction by Surrey Quays is just sidings and won't
go anywhere until/if Phase 2 is built.

U

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Mr Thant wrote:

On 19 Dec, 21:47, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Is it to be an access for NR engineering trains delivering new track,
ballast etc, off the NR lines? It'll be a while before access is available
from the north of the route, and in any event, its the only practical way
full length welded rail could be delivered. It wouldn't have to be built to
the full standards of the finished article, just a through siding, if only
to be used for limited activities during possessions.

I'd think the connection to the outside world will be made at the
south end of New Cross Gate, which will also [probably] be needed as a
running line. The junction by Surrey Quays is just sidings and won't
go anywhere until/if Phase 2 is built.

U


The sidings are simply part of the Silwood Triangle works depot. They
do at least partially follow the old alignment of the line that used
to link up with the South London Line just north of the Old Kent Road
(back in the days of yore all the lines in the New Cross/ South
Bermondsey/ Surrey Docks all seemed to have been linked up).

As and when phase 2 happens (which I think is likely), as far as I can
see the new line will follow the exact same alignment of this old
link.

One intriguing thing I read about the Silwood Triangle works depot is
that it may be reused as part of the Thameslink 3000 works - although
my understanding is that the new flyovers and flyunders will actually
be located further north west up the mainline into London Bridge.

On 19 Dec, 21:47, "Recliner" wrote:
"Martin J" wrote in message



On my journey from New X Gate to Canada Water today, I was surprised
to see just before Surrey Quays, evidence of new track forming a new
junction just south of Surrey Quays, which I think is heading in the
direction of Queens Road Peckham.
I can see the progress of the flyover north of New X gate but
surprised to see this other work as I thought that bit was stage 2.
Any thoughts?

Connection for works trains bringing in materials for the reconstruction
work?

Just sidings in the Silwood Triangle works depot as opposed to a
connection with the rest of the rail network. Any such connections for
works traffic could be put in at New Cross and/or New Cross Gate - the
latter certainly being a a very likely candidate for a connection for
works traffic, as of course the plan is for there to be a connection
at New Cross Gate for running through trains between the ELL and the
line down to Croydon.

I do wonder whether there will be a temporary connection at New Cross,
as I think the lines here arguably offer a better placed connection
for freight traffic.

I'm sure I've read that a considerable amount of the construction
materials will be brought in by rail so as to avoid excess road
traffic. However, the Silwood Triangle site will be the best place on
the ELL route to receive deliveries by road, which can then be moved
up the line by train.

I have been jotting down from various sources the main project
milestones for the ELLX work and would like to (a) be able to expand
the headings to a more detailed list and (b) mark them off as there
are completed. Please feel free to ammend the list if you are better
informed. March and May 2008 next year look interesting with no less
than three bridge launches. We will be able to see the gradient of the
new GE19 bridge as it climbs across the GEML - does anybody know if
this will be steeper than the Blackfriars to City Thameslink ski ramp
slope? We will also be able to see what looks like a very sharp curve
linking the Bishopsgate Goods Yard and the Kingsland viaduct - will
this become a neighbourhood nuisance as the wheels squeal 32 times an
hour?

June 2005: £35 million enabling works to rebuilding and refurbish the
Kingsland viaduct including 21 bridges from Shoreditch High Street to
Dalston. ( is this work now completed?)
December 2007: Demolition of old Victorian GE19 bridge, formerly
linking Bishopsgate Goods Depot to Spitalfields, that spans Liverpool
Street Station approaches.
March 2008: Launch new bridge at Shoreditch High Street.
May 2008: Launch New Cross Gate flyover ( and I assume begin to open
the southbound link by extending through platform 1 in order to access
rail construction materials)
May 2008: Launch new GE19 bridge in Spitalfields.
December 2008: Deliver first new train for testing.
June 2010: Northern extension complete, with new step-free stations
at:
· Shoreditch High Street built on the northern edge of the former GER
Bishopsgate:Goods Depot ,located south of Bethnal Green Road, between
Shoreditch High Street and Wheeler Street
· Hoxton: located on the northeast corner of the junction of Cremer
Street and Geffrye Street
· Haggerston: located beside Acton Mews
· Dalston:Junction built in a cutting on the site of the old Dalston
Junction station to the south of Dalston Lane, between Kingsland Road
and Roseberry Place The four platform station will include two
through tracks to Highbury and Islington with a two centre reversing
tracks. The site above the station will be developed as a mixed use
development.
June 2010: Southern extension complete to New Cross, Crystal Palace
and West Croydon .
February 2011: Further Northern extension from Dalston Junction to
Highbury and Islington complete.

Phase 2 - date not known but the project has been described by Network
Rail in South London RUS as an enabler to the now authorised
Thameslink upgrade.

At the southern end, the 'western' extension will run from south of
Surrey Quays to join the existing South London Line between South
Bermondsey and Queen's Road Peckham. This will require new track to
be constructed, partly on what was an East London Line freight train
route connection.(How much is new, how much reused?) The new link will
run at surface level along the western side of the Silwood Triangle,
across Surrey Canal Road, where a new station will be provided,
through the western edge of Bridge House Meadow, over the eastern end
of Hornshay Street, rejoining existing Network Rail infrastructure at
Wagner Street. In addition to Surrey Canal Road, the second phase
service will call at all stations from Dalston Junction to Clapham
Junction.

Mwmbwls wrote:

I have been jotting down from various sources the main project
milestones for the ELLX work and would like to (a) be able to expand
the headings to a more detailed list and (b) mark them off as there
are completed. Please feel free to ammend the list if you are better
informed. March and May 2008 next year look interesting with no less
than three bridge launches. We will be able to see the gradient of the
new GE19 bridge as it climbs across the GEML - does anybody know if
this will be steeper than the Blackfriars to City Thameslink ski ramp
slope? We will also be able to see what looks like a very sharp curve
linking the Bishopsgate Goods Yard and the Kingsland viaduct - will
this become a neighbourhood nuisance as the wheels squeal 32 times an
hour?

June 2005: �35 million enabling works to rebuilding and refurbish the
Kingsland viaduct including 21 bridges from Shoreditch High Street to
Dalston. ( is this work now completed?)

I can only comment on what I can see from the ground, but all the
bridges (over roads) along the course of the line have certainly
looked like they've been finished for some time - at least since the
summer, if not beforehand.

The bow string arch bridge over the Regents Canal was launched some
time in the autumn of 2006 I think, but I don't have the exact date. I
haven't been past there for a little while, but there certainly still
looked like there was an amount of work going on at ground level for a
good while after the new bridge had been launched.


December 2007: Demolition of old Victorian GE19 bridge, formerly
linking Bishopsgate Goods Depot to Spitalfields, that spans Liverpool
Street Station approaches.
March 2008: Launch new bridge at Shoreditch High Street.
May 2008: Launch New Cross Gate flyover ( and I assume begin to open
the southbound link by extending through platform 1 in order to access
rail construction materials)

Platform 1, for those who don't know, is the existing ELL platform -
this photo, courtesy of Clive Feather, shows the situation as it is at
the moment.

I don't know what your source is, but might this link not actually
make sense if it were to be put in earlier - my understanding was that
TfL were hoping to shift a considerable amount of materials in by
rail.

May 2008: Launch new GE19 bridge in Spitalfields.
December 2008: Deliver first new train for testing.
June 2010: Northern extension complete, with new step-free stations
at:
� Shoreditch High Street built on the northern edge of the former GER
Bishopsgate Goods Depot ,located south of Bethnal Green Road, between
Shoreditch High Street and Wheeler Street
� Hoxton: located on the northeast corner of the junction of Cremer
Street and Geffrye Street
� Haggerston: located beside Acton Mews
� Dalston:Junction built in a cutting on the site of the old Dalston
Junction station to the south of Dalston Lane, between Kingsland Road
and Roseberry Place The four platform station will include two
through tracks to Highbury and Islington with a two centre reversing
tracks. The site above the station will be developed as a mixed use
development.

All above stations on the northern extension to Dalston Jn will be
opening along with the rest of the line in June 2010 surely...

June 2010: Southern extension complete to New Cross, Crystal Palace
and West Croydon .
February 2011: Further Northern extension from Dalston Junction to
Highbury and Islington complete.

Phase 2 - date not known but the project has been described by Network
Rail in South London RUS as an enabler to the now authorised
Thameslink upgrade.

At the southern end, the 'western' extension will run from south of
Surrey Quays to join the existing South London Line between South
Bermondsey and Queen's Road Peckham. This will require new track to
be constructed, partly on what was an East London Line freight train
route connection.(How much is new, how much reused?) The new link will
run at surface level along the western side of the Silwood Triangle,
across Surrey Canal Road, where a new station will be provided,
through the western edge of Bridge House Meadow, over the eastern end
of Hornshay Street, rejoining existing Network Rail infrastructure at
Wagner Street. In addition to Surrey Canal Road, the second phase
service will call at all stations from Dalston Junction to Clapham
Junction.


AIUI the new route will follow the alignment of the old route pretty
much exactly. I walked this route the other day and I'll try and find
some time over the festive period to post the (probably not very good)
photos I took. The only buildings that look like they're in the way
are some warehouse units of a business park north of Surrey Canal
Road. There would also need to be extensive works on Bridge House
meadows, as there has been an amount of landscaping along the course
of the alignment. There would also need to be some work to bring the
line up to cross Surrey Canal Road - or indeed the road could be
lowered.

From a quick perusal of planning and strategy documents on the LB
Lewisham website it looks like the Surrey Canal Rd station would sit
on the bridge that actually spanned the road itself.

By the way I think it's great you're keeping a track on the ELLX
milestones. One thing that I think would have been good to have
followed more closely and had a photographic record of is the work on
the line in the Spitalfields area - i.e. on the line between
Whitechapel and the Bishopsgate goodsyard. In addition it would've
been good to get photos of what was left of the old viaduct into Broad
Street just north of Great Eastern Street - a chunk of that has since
been knocked down, as that is where the ELLX will come and meet the
rest of the viaduct to take it up north.

I would hope that someone has been busy keeping a fairly complete
before, during and (eventually) after photographic record of the
changes - it'd certainly interest me!

On 21 Dec, 19:12, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

Platform 1, for those who don't know, is the existing ELL platform -
this photo, courtesy of Clive Feather, shows the situation as it is at
the moment.

(snip)


A shabby lack of proof reading led me to exclude the promised link,
which is here...

http://www.davros.org/rail/photos/p002.html