"Adrian Auer-Hudson, MIMIS" wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 5:42 am, (Adrian the Rock) wrote:

The other extension to Crossrail that seems fairly obvious to me is to
extend the trains currently planned to terminate at Paddington up the
former GW&GC joint line. Bring the Old Oak - Northolt East line back
into proper use, rebuild the main line platforms at Greenford, making
this the first stop out of Padd, then run all-stations to Princes
Risboro and Aylesbury (some trains probably terminating at High
Wycombe). But this is clearly too extensive to be sensible to include
in the initial project.

Adie

There are two issues with this idea. Firstly it would mean an
expensive electrification of the route to Aylesbury by way of Prices
Risborough.

Provided it is done at the time that life expire stock is to be replaced,
electrification is usually a lower cost option over the total life of the
new stock, however expensive the actual conversion.

Secondly, there is the Birmingham service to consider. It would
either have to remain a DMU operation with many miles under the wire,

Well this wouldn't be the first time. Cross country runs "under the wire"
all the way from Birmingham to Manchester and York to Edinburgh, which is
much further than this piddly little bit of track to PR.

tim

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(tim.....) wrote:

"Adrian Auer-Hudson, MIMIS" wrote in
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On Dec 26, 5:42 am, (Adrian the Rock) wrote:

The other extension to Crossrail that seems fairly obvious to me is
to
extend the trains currently planned to terminate at Paddington up the
former GW&GC joint line. Bring the Old Oak - Northolt East line back
into proper use, rebuild the main line platforms at Greenford, making
this the first stop out of Padd, then run all-stations to Princes
Risboro and Aylesbury (some trains probably terminating at High
Wycombe). But this is clearly too extensive to be sensible to include
in the initial project.

There are two issues with this idea. Firstly it would mean an
expensive electrification of the route to Aylesbury by way of
Prices Risborough.

Provided it is done at the time that life expire stock is to be
replaced, electrification is usually a lower cost option over the
total life of the new stock, however expensive the actual
conversion.

Secondly, there is the Birmingham service to consider. It would
either have to remain a DMU operation with many miles under the
wire,

Well this wouldn't be the first time. Cross country runs "under
the wire" all the way from Birmingham to Manchester and York to
Edinburgh, which is much further than this piddly little bit of
track to PR.

How much longer though? Aren't some of those routes being handed over to
VWC?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

"Adrian Auer-Hudson, MIMIS" wrote in
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On Dec 26, 5:42 am, (Adrian the Rock) wrote:

The other extension to Crossrail that seems fairly obvious to me is
to
extend the trains currently planned to terminate at Paddington up the
former GW&GC joint line. Bring the Old Oak - Northolt East line back
into proper use, rebuild the main line platforms at Greenford, making
this the first stop out of Padd, then run all-stations to Princes
Risboro and Aylesbury (some trains probably terminating at High
Wycombe). But this is clearly too extensive to be sensible to include
in the initial project.

There are two issues with this idea. Firstly it would mean an
expensive electrification of the route to Aylesbury by way of
Prices Risborough.

Provided it is done at the time that life expire stock is to be
replaced, electrification is usually a lower cost option over the
total life of the new stock, however expensive the actual
conversion.

Secondly, there is the Birmingham service to consider. It would
either have to remain a DMU operation with many miles under the
wire,

Well this wouldn't be the first time. Cross country runs "under
the wire" all the way from Birmingham to Manchester and York to
Edinburgh, which is much further than this piddly little bit of
track to PR.

How much longer though? Aren't some of those routes being handed over to
VWC?


Not the Manchester services, VWC have already taken over Birmingham to
Edinburgh/Glasgow via WCML, but are still using their 'pro rata' share of
theVoyagers, rather than Pendolinos [normally].

Birmingham to Man Picc stayed with (Arriva)XC. The next planned change, Dec
2008, is just to make the XC network more inflexible, with for example
nearly all Bournemouth trains heading for Manchester and all from Reading
heading for Newcastle...

Paul S

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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(tim.....) wrote:

"Adrian Auer-Hudson, MIMIS" wrote in
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On Dec 26, 5:42 am, (Adrian the Rock) wrote:

The other extension to Crossrail that seems fairly obvious to me is
to
extend the trains currently planned to terminate at Paddington up the
former GW&GC joint line. Bring the Old Oak - Northolt East line back
into proper use, rebuild the main line platforms at Greenford, making
this the first stop out of Padd, then run all-stations to Princes
Risboro and Aylesbury (some trains probably terminating at High
Wycombe). But this is clearly too extensive to be sensible to include
in the initial project.

There are two issues with this idea. Firstly it would mean an
expensive electrification of the route to Aylesbury by way of
Prices Risborough.

Provided it is done at the time that life expire stock is to be
replaced, electrification is usually a lower cost option over the
total life of the new stock, however expensive the actual
conversion.

Secondly, there is the Birmingham service to consider. It would
either have to remain a DMU operation with many miles under the
wire,

Well this wouldn't be the first time. Cross country runs "under
the wire" all the way from Birmingham to Manchester and York to
Edinburgh, which is much further than this piddly little bit of
track to PR.

How much longer though?

Do you mean in time?

Surely that's irrelevent. The principle has been established for the past
10 (ish) years.

Aren't some of those routes being handed over to
VWC?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"tim....." writes:

Well this wouldn't be the first time. Cross country runs "under the wire"
all the way from Birmingham to Manchester and York to Edinburgh, which is
much further than this piddly little bit of track to PR.

Which they did not used to do. I remember just after the Leamington Spa
to Coventry line was re-opened to passenger traffic that trains between
the South Coast and Liverpool/Manchester used to swap between Diesel and
Electric traction at Coventry (as well as often changing locos at
Reading rather than the pre-voyager practice of the same loco having to
run round)

"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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"tim....." writes:

Well this wouldn't be the first time. Cross country runs "under the
wire"
all the way from Birmingham to Manchester and York to Edinburgh, which is
much further than this piddly little bit of track to PR.

Which they did not used to do.

I know. All the more reason to suggest that diesels under the wires is now
acceptable.

tim

On 25 Dec, 20:34, "Dave" wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-details/Cross...

A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
will be made in the New Year, it emerged today.

If it is, then presumably the current semifast services from Reading
will be relegated to all-stops, and there won't be much choice for
passangers from the Slough-Reading corridor -- a slow service, or
none at all. When I lived in Twyford there were fast services that
stopped maidenhead/burnham/taplow/slough/hayes/ealing/paddington, they
then added in west drayton, iver and langley when they stopped the
slough all-stops for Heathrow Connect, severly worsening service for
the Slough-Reading corridor. An all stops service will be painful,
especially as frequency won't increase.

If it isn't extended, then I can see the slow Oxford-Reading services
will call additionally at Twyford, Maidenhead, Slough, then move to
the main lines to Paddington, allowing cross/same platform changes to
crossrail at Slough. An extra stop at Hayes on an new platform (if
there were room) could allow better connections without holding up the
main line GWML services.

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, at
08:46:24 on Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Paul Weaver
remarked:
A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
will be made in the New Year, it emerged today.

If it is, then presumably the current semifast services from Reading
will be relegated to all-stops, and there won't be much choice for
passangers from the Slough-Reading corridor

Is that what another poster referred to in a different thread as "St
Alban-isation"? (I took this to be a reference to BedPan electrification
meaning mainline services no longer stopped there).
--
Roland Perry

On Dec 27 2007, 6:26*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
08:46:24 on Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Paul Weaver
remarked:

A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
will be made in the New Year, it emerged today.

If it is, then presumably the current semifast services from Reading
will be relegated to all-stops, and there won't be much choice for
passangers from the Slough-Reading corridor

Is that what another poster referred to in a different thread as "St
Alban-isation"? (I took this to be a reference to BedPan electrification
meaning mainline services no longer stopped there).
--

Yes, you took right g

But St Albanisation (I coined it!) in this context would mean
eliminating inter-city stops at Slough. (Then you would have what
might be called Sloughification )

I think what is being referred to here is a downgrade, ie more stops
inserted, of the current semi-fasts Reading - PDN.

Kester

In message
, at
00:18:07 on Tue, 1 Jan 2008, remarked:
A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
will be made in the New Year, it emerged today.

If it is, then presumably the current semifast services from Reading
will be relegated to all-stops, and there won't be much choice for
passangers from the Slough-Reading corridor

Is that what another poster referred to in a different thread as "St
Alban-isation"? (I took this to be a reference to BedPan electrification
meaning mainline services no longer stopped there).

Yes, you took right g

But St Albanisation (I coined it!) in this context would mean
eliminating inter-city stops at Slough. (Then you would have what
might be called Sloughification )

I think what is being referred to here is a downgrade, ie more stops
inserted, of the current semi-fasts Reading - PDN.

I don't think the suggestion is that all trains that stop at Reading
then stop everywhere to Paddington. So the long distance trains would
probably miss Slough on the grounds that Slough had been St Albanised by
Crossrail's all-station-stoppers.
--
Roland Perry