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(umpston) wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:28 am, Standing at HN28 signal
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On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1"
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It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country
shows that logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack. Not so simple now.

So why isn't used at St Pancras International? It is served by two
'National Rail' TOCs, East Midlands Trains and First Capital Connect.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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In article
,
(umpston) wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:28 am, Standing at HN28 signal
wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1"
wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country
shows that logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack. Not so simple now.

So why isn't used at St Pancras International? It is served by two
'National Rail' TOCs, East Midlands Trains and First Capital Connect.


IIRC Network Rail didn't take over management of St Pancras International #
until mid December - might that have something to do with it?

# where the NR site says, on the media release about the Thameslink
platforms: "Network Rail already manages the entire St Pancras International
station" - do they really mean the Eurostar aspects as well? IIRC when the
traffic management and temporary signage was being discussed a few weeks ago
it was generally consider that NR had nothing to do with St Pancras
operational aspects

Paul

What's also odd is that the 'Overground' flashes on LUL car diagrams
inside trains do not have the BR/NR double arrow but those affixed to
station diagrams do. And those on station diagrams are being placed
against every possible LU/LO interchange and not as per the design
manual. EG a Bakerloo Line NB sign at Baker Street should show LO
interchange at Queens Park (for Euston), Willesden Junction (for NLL/
WLL) and Harrow & Wealdstone (for NB DC line) yet the amending
stickers shown at evert 'joint' LO/LU station.

On Dec 29, 2:08 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(umpston) wrote:
On Dec 29, 11:28 am, Standing at HN28 signal
wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1"
wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country
shows that logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack. Not so simple now.

So why isn't used at St Pancras International? It is served by two
'National Rail' TOCs, East Midlands Trains and First Capital Connect.


Well crumbs I don't know! However my statement that the logo is used
only for the National Rail network still holds true - I haven't heard
of any non national-rail stations where it is used only of some NR
stations where for some reason it isn't.

Well crumbs I don't know! However my statement that the logo is used
only for the National Rail network still holds true - I haven't heard
of any non national-rail stations where it is used only of some NR
stations where for some reason it isn't.

With the exception of St Pancras though, non NR station have an alternative
logo which convers what sort of train you are likely to get from there, and
how it is different to a NR station.

The news that St P doesn't have it is a great shame IMO - but not
surprising. Signage is to St Pancras International what Etch-A-Sketch is to
art.

LEWIS