Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph
service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District
Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo
services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted
via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston
via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full
responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL
resignalling?

Paul

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

On Jan 14, 4:48*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph
service through East Putney. *Will this result in a much reduced District
Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo
services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted
via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston
via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)."

info from SWT website:http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full
responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL
resignalling?

Paul

I would have thought that the single track approach to East Putney and
crossing all the Putney tracks on the flat might be a bigger problem.

Avoiding both Putney trains and District line trains either side of
the junction must be quite a challenge.

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

Paul Scott wrote:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph
service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District
Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo
services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted
via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston
via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full
responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL
resignalling?

Paul


My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was
handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached
with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line - and it is
under this agreement that SWT makes use of the line for diversionary
purposes. Given that SWT do find it a valuable route (as demonstrated
by the use they'll be making of it at Easter), one can't see them (or
the DfT) being keen on ending that agreement. Therefore, the onus
would seem to fall on LUL ensuring that any future resignalling on
this line can accommodate National Rail trains.

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

On 14 Jan, 17:01, MIG wrote:
On Jan 14, 4:48 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:



SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph
service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced District
Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo
services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted
via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston
via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)."

info from SWT website:http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full
responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL
resignalling?

Paul

I would have thought that the single track approach to East Putney and
crossing all the Putney tracks on the flat might be a bigger problem.

I forget how the lines there are paired - UIVMM it changed fairly
recently. But the single track up to East Putney is on the southern
side of the four mainline tracks and hence comes off one of the down
lines - so up trains are the ones that will cause more disturbances
here. (Without looking at Quail, which isn't to hand, I forget which
location Point Pleasant junction actually refers to - the junction
with the mainline or with the District line at East Putney station.)


Avoiding both Putney trains and District line trains either side of
the junction must be quite a challenge.

Though LUL contracts Network Rail to signal the line from East Putney
(or from Putney Bridge in fact) down to Wimbledon, so theoretically at
least there could be a slightly more co-ordinated approach (or just a
jam of backed up District line trains being held at East Putney so a
diverted SWT service can get down there first).

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...


Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take
full
responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL
resignalling?


My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was
handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached
with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line - and it is
under this agreement that SWT makes use of the line for diversionary
purposes. Given that SWT do find it a valuable route (as demonstrated
by the use they'll be making of it at Easter), one can't see them (or
the DfT) being keen on ending that agreement. Therefore, the onus
would seem to fall on LUL ensuring that any future resignalling on
this line can accommodate National Rail trains.

There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be
allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock
(that might need to use the line) with trip cocks...

Paul

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message

...





Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take
full
responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL
resignalling?

My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was
handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached
with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line - and it is
under this agreement that SWT makes use of the line for diversionary
purposes. Given that SWT do find it a valuable route (as demonstrated
by the use they'll be making of it at Easter), one can't see them (or
the DfT) being keen on ending that agreement. Therefore, the onus
would seem to fall on LUL ensuring that any future resignalling on
this line can accommodate National Rail trains.

There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't be
allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their stock
(that might need to use the line) with trip cocks...

Paul

Oh really - I missed that. I wonder if that quoted comment is
accurate. It's just that one party unilaterally changing the terms of
an agreement sounds unlikely. That said, I don't know anything about
the details of the agreement whatsoever.

What I'm almost totally ignorant on is what's going to happen to
signalling after the upgrade - I was under the vague impression that
the LU SSLs were ditching the whole trip cock system altogether.

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

On Jan 14, 5:47*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Jan, 17:01, MIG wrote:





On Jan 14, 4:48 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6 tph
service through East Putney. *Will this result in a much reduced District
Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo
services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted
via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston
via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston)."

info from SWT website:http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take full
responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as at SSL
resignalling?

Paul

I would have thought that the single track approach to East Putney and
crossing all the Putney tracks on the flat might be a bigger problem.

I forget how the lines there are paired - UIVMM it changed fairly
recently. But the single track up to East Putney is on the southern
side of the four mainline tracks and hence comes off one of the down
lines - so up trains are the ones that will cause more disturbances
here. (Without looking at Quail, which isn't to hand, I forget which
location Point Pleasant junction actually refers to - the junction
with the mainline or with the District line at East Putney station.)

They are paired by direction, but it's a bit odd in that the down fast
is the outer, while the up slow is the outer on the other side.

So if diverted trains used fast tracks, it would minimise the
disruption (or maximise it if they used the slow tracks). In fact, it
looks like you can't reach the up slow track anyway.

Point Pleasant seems to be the section between the mainline and the
side platforms at East Putney (the join to the District coming south
of the station).

Avoiding both Putney trains and District line trains either side of
the junction must be quite a challenge.

Though LUL contracts Network Rail to signal the line from East Putney
(or from Putney Bridge in fact) down to Wimbledon, so theoretically at
least there could be a slightly more co-ordinated approach (or just a
jam of backed up District line trains being held at East Putney so a
diverted SWT service can get down there first).

By the way, I've often seen empty stock going that way in the last
year or two, using the down fast at the end of the morning peak. I
assume that sort of thing is regular.

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

David

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at
Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).

Wimbledon - East Putney engineering works
 

On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote:





"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. *Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at
Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).-

Or it could just mean that Earls Court to Wimbledon is covered by
trains from the Victoria direction.