Edward Cowling London UK wrote

While we're taking about the Victoria Line can someone fix the
computer
to make the breaking less last minute and less fierce. It's the only
line that seems to routinely try to throw everyone on the floor !

Huh ?

Whereabouts is this ?

I have never noticed anything out of the way (compared with Pic or
Northern line) but I usually travel Vauxhall to Highbury & Islington
outwards and Kings+ to Oxford Circus inwards.

--
Mike D

In message 01c85aae$d37aaa20$LocalHost@default, Michael R N Dolbear
writes

Edward Cowling London UK wrote

While we're taking about the Victoria Line can someone fix the
computer
to make the breaking less last minute and less fierce. It's the only
line that seems to routinely try to throw everyone on the floor !

Huh ?

Whereabouts is this ?

I have never noticed anything out of the way (compared with Pic or
Northern line) but I usually travel Vauxhall to Highbury & Islington
outwards and Kings+ to Oxford Circus inwards.

Hi fellow brother of the damned, I do the same awful route :-) I've
lost track of the times I've started to move towards the doors, only to
have the train stop dead and chuck me about. I don't get this on the
Piccadilly line.

Plus the trains don't wait at the platform like the human driven trains
do if there is a bad morning with the trains up ahead. They just stop in
the bloody tunnel.

All in all give me a human being at the wheel any day.

--
Edward Cowling "Must go - Got to rub lard on the Cat's boil !"

On 19 Jan, 17:48, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote:
In message 01c85aae$d37aaa20$LocalHost@default, Michael R N Dolbear
writes



Edward Cowling London UK wrote

While we're taking about the Victoria Line can someone fix the
computer
to make the breaking less last minute and less fierce. It's the only
line that seems to routinely try to throw everyone on the floor !

Huh ?

Whereabouts is this ?

I have never noticed anything out of the way (compared with Pic or
Northern line) but I usually travel Vauxhall to Highbury & Islington
outwards and Kings+ to Oxford Circus inwards.

Hi fellow brother of the damned, I do the same awful route :-) I've
lost track of the times I've started to move towards the doors, only to
have the train stop dead and chuck me about. I don't get this on the
Piccadilly line.

Plus the trains don't wait at the platform like the human driven trains
do if there is a bad morning with the trains up ahead. They just stop in
the bloody tunnel.

All in all give me a human being at the wheel any day.



But I doubt human beings could deliver a line with the same frequency
of trains, which is one of the major attractions of the Victoria line.
Plus of course if all the trains stayed in the platforms if the line
ahead was congested, then the whole line would slow to a crawl. The
train needs to vacate the platform to allow the one behind it in, and
by so doing the service can recover quicker than it would otherwise.
Most of the time they don;t stop in the tunnel for that long.

I'm a big fan of the Victoria line, it is a backbone of the network
and shifts a huge number of people around town quickly. Getting from
Highbury & Islington to Vauxhall in about 15 minutes isn't that far
short of black magic in my book!

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:48:17 +0000, Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

Hi fellow brother of the damned, I do the same awful route :-) I've
lost track of the times I've started to move towards the doors, only to
have the train stop dead and chuck me about. I don't get this on the
Piccadilly line.

Plus the trains don't wait at the platform like the human driven trains
do if there is a bad morning with the trains up ahead. They just stop in
the bloody tunnel.

All in all give me a human being at the wheel any day.

It's still a human being that presses the buttons to close the doors
and start the train moving.

In message , asdf
writes
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:48:17 +0000, Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

Hi fellow brother of the damned, I do the same awful route :-) I've
lost track of the times I've started to move towards the doors, only to
have the train stop dead and chuck me about. I don't get this on the
Piccadilly line.

Plus the trains don't wait at the platform like the human driven trains
do if there is a bad morning with the trains up ahead. They just stop in
the bloody tunnel.

All in all give me a human being at the wheel any day.

It's still a human being that presses the buttons to close the doors
and start the train moving.

That's like calling the guy in the space capsule a pilot :-)

Say what you like, but the trains always felt safer and seemed to run
better when they had a driver and a guard.

--
Edward Cowling "Must go - Got to rub lard on the Cat's boil !"

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:13:55 +0000, Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

Hi fellow brother of the damned, I do the same awful route :-) I've
lost track of the times I've started to move towards the doors, only to
have the train stop dead and chuck me about. I don't get this on the
Piccadilly line.

Plus the trains don't wait at the platform like the human driven trains
do if there is a bad morning with the trains up ahead. They just stop in
the bloody tunnel.

All in all give me a human being at the wheel any day.

It's still a human being that presses the buttons to close the doors
and start the train moving.

That's like calling the guy in the space capsule a pilot :-)

My point was that whether or not the trains wait in the platform when
there's a delay up ahead is still entirely human-controlled.

In article ,
(Edward Cowling London UK) wrote:

In message , asdf
writes
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:48:17 +0000, Edward Cowling London UK wrote:

Hi fellow brother of the damned, I do the same awful route :-) I've
lost track of the times I've started to move towards the doors, only
to have the train stop dead and chuck me about. I don't get this on
the Piccadilly line.

Plus the trains don't wait at the platform like the human driven
trains do if there is a bad morning with the trains up ahead. They
just stop in the bloody tunnel.

All in all give me a human being at the wheel any day.

It's still a human being that presses the buttons to close the doors
and start the train moving.

That's like calling the guy in the space capsule a pilot :-)

Say what you like, but the trains always felt safer and seemed to
run better when they had a driver and a guard.

The Victoria Line has never had any other driving system than the one it
has today. So it's hard to make sense of your remarks. It is designed for
higher speeds than older lines so greater acceleration and braking is to
be expected.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Edward Cowling London UK) wrote:

[Victoria line]

Say what you like, but the trains always felt safer and seemed to
run better when they had a driver and a guard.

The Victoria Line has never had any other driving system than the one it
has today. So it's hard to make sense of your remarks. It is designed for
higher speeds than older lines so greater acceleration and braking is to
be expected.

Absolutely right in that it has always been automatic so the comparative
comment is wrong. However the thread has set me thinking and I believe
that there was a fairly recent change to the control system to remove
coasting and allow more accelerated running between stations. Given the
trains and the control system are near the end of their life there *may*
be some deterioration in performance when asset age and the removal of
coasting are combined.

Still the new trains will certainly accelerate and brake much more
quickly so I think it will definitely be a case of "hang on tight".
Part of me is looking forward to a faster and hopefully reliable journey
but I will miss 67 stock given the years I've been using it.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

I'm assuming that 67 stock be manually operated to speed, say on manual
coded? I can recall a couple of occasions where it felt like the driver was
fanning the brakes.

Also, is there a time when drivers are required to manually operate their
trains, besides going into depots and sidings?

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Edward Cowling London UK) wrote:

[Victoria line]

Say what you like, but the trains always felt safer and seemed to
run better when they had a driver and a guard.

The Victoria Line has never had any other driving system than the one it
has today. So it's hard to make sense of your remarks. It is designed for
higher speeds than older lines so greater acceleration and braking is to
be expected.

Absolutely right in that it has always been automatic so the comparative
comment is wrong. However the thread has set me thinking and I believe
that there was a fairly recent change to the control system to remove
coasting and allow more accelerated running between stations. Given the
trains and the control system are near the end of their life there *may*
be some deterioration in performance when asset age and the removal of
coasting are combined.

Still the new trains will certainly accelerate and brake much more
quickly so I think it will definitely be a case of "hang on tight".
Part of me is looking forward to a faster and hopefully reliable journey
but I will miss 67 stock given the years I've been using it.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

"Edward Cowling London UK" wrote in message
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In message 01c85aae$d37aaa20$LocalHost@default, Michael R N Dolbear

Hi fellow brother of the damned, I do the same awful route :-) I've lost
track of the times I've started to move towards the doors, only to have
the train stop dead and chuck me about. I don't get this on the
Piccadilly line.

Plus the trains don't wait at the platform like the human driven trains do
if there is a bad morning with the trains up ahead. They just stop in the
bloody tunnel.

All in all give me a human being at the wheel any day.


At least that way they can steer if there is a derailment - see Mr Branson
for details...

Paul S