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[email protected] February 5th 08 08:05 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
Hi All,

I'm considering moving to Watford, and I just wondered if anyone knew
how much an Annual Season Ticket from Watford Junction to London
Euston is?

Thanks!

Tim Woodall February 5th 08 09:53 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:05:55 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
Hi All,

I'm considering moving to Watford, and I just wondered if anyone knew
how much an Annual Season Ticket from Watford Junction to London
Euston is?

2265 I think. About another 400 with Z1-6 as well.

Oyster PAYG is 5.50 (6.00 to Z1) or 3.00 (3.50 to Z1) each way. I'm not
exactly sure what times the higher charges apply but the cheaper ones
are definitely before 7am and after 7pm. I'm pretty sure there are times
during the day as well but they probably won't be any good if you're
commuting.

Tim.

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and there was light.

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JL February 6th 08 03:11 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
You could always go for an annual Z1-6 on an Oyster, plus a Watford
Junction - Harrow and Wealdstone on top, which is £1,784.00 + £956.00
= £2740.00

Ohwait - that's more expensive...

That's my plan out the window!

John B February 6th 08 03:38 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On 6 Feb, 16:11, JL wrote:
You could always go for an annual Z1-6 on an Oyster, plus a Watford
Junction - Harrow and Wealdstone on top, which is £1,784.00 + £956.00
= £2740.00


Or you could get one from Watford High Street to London Euston for
GBP1,856, plus GBP240 for Watford Junction to Watford High Street for
a total of GBP2096 - but for your GBP150 saving you'd need to take the
slow Overground trains.

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JL February 6th 08 05:26 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
I was assuming that his/her workplace wasn't at Euston and therefore
would be requiring a travelcard. But the "2265 I think. About another
400 with Z1-6 as well." seems about £100 cheaper. I couldn't find any
documentation about adding a Z1-6 onto a season ticket though...

Tim Woodall February 6th 08 08:54 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:26:57 -0800 (PST),
JL wrote:
I was assuming that his/her workplace wasn't at Euston and therefore
would be requiring a travelcard. But the "2265 I think. About another
400 with Z1-6 as well." seems about £100 cheaper. I couldn't find any
documentation about adding a Z1-6 onto a season ticket though...

I think you have to select travelcard (at least on thetrainline website
- but this is a work branded version and I can't see how to login from
home to check - I can't remember the URL)

But I'm not using a season ticket any more. For me It's much cheaper to
use PAYG, but I pretty much always travel before 7am and after 7pm and,
baring exceptional circumstances, always at least one of those.
233*8.5=1980.5 233*6=1398.

Obviously problems like yesterday's where I arrived at the station, gave
up after about half an hour and came home[1] (cost 1.00) and did some
work from home then went back once the trains were running again
(another 5.50) mess up my calculations a bit.

[1] I gave up at the point that they started "detraining" the virgin
train (May have been more than one). I realized that even when the
trains eventually started running again I wasn't going to be able to get
onto the first few (I had my Brompton with me and that makes it pretty
much impossible to squeeze onto an already packed train)

Tim.

--
God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t,"
and there was light.

http://tjw.hn.org/ http://www.locofungus.btinternet.co.uk/

[email protected][_2_] February 7th 08 11:00 AM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On Feb 6, 9:54 pm, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:26:57 -0800 (PST),
JL wrote: I was assuming that his/her workplace wasn't at Euston and therefore
would be requiring a travelcard. But the "2265 I think. About another
400 with Z1-6 as well." seems about £100 cheaper. I couldn't find any
documentation about adding a Z1-6 onto a season ticket though...


It's 2268 (3404 1st) Watford Junction to London Euston
2604 (3768 1st) including Z1-6

Tim.


No Name February 9th 08 08:34 AM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
I have to admit that I haven't closely followed the discussions about
Watford Junction, but I understand that you can use PAYG from there, can't
you?

If that is indeed the case, then can you take a fast train between Euston
and Watford Junction, rather than just be restricted to the Overground?



Tim Woodall February 9th 08 09:56 AM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:34:58 GMT,
wrote:
I have to admit that I haven't closely followed the discussions about
Watford Junction, but I understand that you can use PAYG from there, can't
you?

If that is indeed the case, then can you take a fast train between Euston
and Watford Junction, rather than just be restricted to the Overground?

Yes. You can take the fast train on PAYG. But if you do your outbound
journey after 7am and your return journey before 7pm then it's 12GBP/day
and a season ticket is cheaper if you are doing it every (working) day.

Tim.

--
God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t,"
and there was light.

http://tjw.hn.org/ http://www.locofungus.btinternet.co.uk/

Neil Williams February 9th 08 10:33 AM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:34:58 GMT, wrote:

I have to admit that I haven't closely followed the discussions about
Watford Junction, but I understand that you can use PAYG from there, can't
you?


Yes.

If that is indeed the case, then can you take a fast train between Euston
and Watford Junction, rather than just be restricted to the Overground?


Yes (though not any Virgin trains which are not available to any
passengers at all southbound).

Neil

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Put my first name before the at to reply.

No Name February 9th 08 11:19 AM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 

"Tim Woodall" wrote in message
.uk...

Yes. You can take the fast train on PAYG. But if you do your outbound
journey after 7am and your return journey before 7pm then it's 12GBP/day
and a season ticket is cheaper if you are doing it every (working) day.


What if you are on a weekly ticket, say z1-4, and you have a little extra
money for extra-zonal travel?



No Name February 9th 08 11:21 AM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...

If that is indeed the case, then can you take a fast train between Euston
and Watford Junction, rather than just be restricted to the Overground?


Yes (though not any Virgin trains which are not available to any
passengers at all southbound).


What about First ScotRail or London Midland?



David Jackman[_2_] February 9th 08 10:06 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
wrote in
. uk:


"Tim Woodall" wrote in message
.uk...

Yes. You can take the fast train on PAYG. But if you do your outbound
journey after 7am and your return journey before 7pm then it's
12GBP/day and a season ticket is cheaper if you are doing it every
(working) day.


What if you are on a weekly ticket, say z1-4, and you have a little
extra money for extra-zonal travel?



You need to check each case on its merits.

For Boundary Z4-Watford Junction your options are (these prices are from
Harrow and Wealdstone. The actual BZ4 prices may be different):

Pre pay - £ 2.50 peak single/£ 1.00 off peak, no railcard discount
Paper ticket - £ 3.00 single, £ 6.00 return, railcard discounts available
Paper ticket to Kings Langley - £ 4.30 Single/£ 4.40 Cheap Day Return/£
7.80 Standard return, railcard discounts available

Note that for some journeys the best option will be a railcard discounted
cheap day return to Kings Langley...

David


Railist February 10th 08 08:07 AM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On 9 Feb, 23:06, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote:
wrote o.uk:



"Tim Woodall" wrote in message
e.uk...


Yes. You can take the fast train on PAYG. But if you do your outbound
journey after 7am and your return journey before 7pm then it's
12GBP/day and a season ticket is cheaper if you are doing it every
(working) day.


What if you are on a weekly ticket, say z1-4, and you have a little
extra money for extra-zonal travel?


You need to check each case on its merits.

For Boundary Z4-Watford Junction your options are (these prices are from
Harrow and Wealdstone. The actual BZ4 prices may be different):

Pre pay - £ 2.50 peak single/£ 1.00 off peak, no railcard discount
Paper ticket - £ 3.00 single, £ 6.00 return, railcard discounts available
Paper ticket to Kings Langley - £ 4.30 Single/£ 4.40 Cheap Day Return/£
7.80 Standard return, railcard discounts available

Note that for some journeys the best option will be a railcard discounted
cheap day return to Kings Langley...

David


For some reason Watford North to London is £2532.00 All Zones.
(£3660.00 First). As this ticket journey involves a change at Watford
Junction, using the fast trains would be fine anyway.

Barry Doe in Rail pointed out some anomalies with Oyster Pay and Go
from Watford Junction.
Oyster charges from the moment you touch in. I can't recall the exact
peak/off peak times so these are examples: if you touch in at 6.55am
(off peak), you'll be charged an off peak fare and travel after 7am,
on the other hand, if you touch in at 6.55PM (peak) and travel after
7.00PM (off peak) you'll be charged the peak fare.

In other words, calculating how much Oyster P&G will be tricky...!


Neil Williams February 10th 08 04:01 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:21:50 GMT, wrote:

What about First ScotRail or London Midland?


Yes to LM. The ScotRail sleepers are, like the VTs, pick up
(northbound)/set down (southbound) only, and of course have compulsory
reservations anyway.

Neil

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Tim Woodall February 23rd 08 04:25 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:07:36 -0800 (PST),
Railist wrote:

It's 2268 (3404 1st) Watford Junction to London Euston
2604 (3768 1st) including Z1-6


For some reason Watford North to London is £2532.00 All Zones.
(£3660.00 First). As this ticket journey involves a change at Watford
Junction, using the fast trains would be fine anyway.

Weird. Presumably you were not be able to use this ticket on the slow
train stations outside of Z6. Or maybe you can't use it to enter/exit at
Watford Junction. Don't know what the situation would be now there's
zones 7,8 and 9.

Barry Doe in Rail pointed out some anomalies with Oyster Pay and Go
from Watford Junction.
Oyster charges from the moment you touch in. I can't recall the exact
peak/off peak times so these are examples: if you touch in at 6.55am
(off peak), you'll be charged an off peak fare and travel after 7am,
on the other hand, if you touch in at 6.55PM (peak) and travel after
7.00PM (off peak) you'll be charged the peak fare.

In other words, calculating how much Oyster P&G will be tricky...!

I don't think it's all that tricky. I typically touch in about 06:52 and
catch the 07:01 train. I typically don't catch the 19:04 train because
it's short and crowded, but on the one occasion I did catch this train I
waited outside the barriers until 19:00 (I got there when the clock was
showing 18:58).

Tim.

--
God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t,"
and there was light.

http://tjw.hn.org/ http://www.locofungus.btinternet.co.uk/

Mr Thant February 23rd 08 04:54 PM

Watford Junction to London Euston
 
On 23 Feb, 17:25, Tim Woodall wrote:
Weird. Presumably you were not be able to use this ticket on the slow
train stations outside of Z6. Or maybe you can't use it to enter/exit at
Watford Junction. Don't know what the situation would be now there's
zones 7,8 and 9.


Nope. A point to point rail season ticket is good for any portion of
any route between the two points.

U

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