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Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. |
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wrote in message ... Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. That will due to Metronet, oh hang on a minute, the Jubilee Line is run but the super efficient Tubelines. I think that you imagined the delay in that case. Kevin |
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, at 07:07:41 on Mon, 18 Feb 2008, " remarked: So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. You Londonders just don't realise how good you have it. Most of the trains where I live only run once an hour, twice if you are really lucky! -- Roland Perry |
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On Feb 18, 6:15 pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
wrote in message ... Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. That will due to Metronet, oh hang on a minute, the Jubilee Line is run but the super efficient Tubelines. I think that you imagined the delay in that case. Kevin At least it is showing Tubelines up too! However, it is up to LUL to manage and deal with the disruptions that LUL, the InfraCo or the beloved passengers cause. It is down to LUL to regulate out the service and to decide whether to cancel or reverse trains. Some of the line (signal control north/west of Green Park) is down to Metronet, though this will change in 2009 when upgrade moves on again. |
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On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:
Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London... Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you given over the PA? |
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Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 07:07:41 on Mon, 18 Feb 2008, " remarked: So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. You Londonders just don't realise how good you have it. Most of the trains where I live only run once an hour, twice if you are really lucky! -- Roland Perry I certainly take your point Roland, however tens of thousands of people in London are relying on these trains to take them to or from work, which isn't the case in Notts - it would be great if it was, but it ain't. In a way being philosophical and stoical about it sounds like a good idea, however I think that attitude can mean the pressure is somewhat taken off the operator (in this case LU - in the broadest sense, so I include Tube Lines in that) from getting it right - I think Metro systems elsewhere in the world are far less tolerant of 'operating issues', whatever they may be. Of course one should balance that against the fact that LU was starved of funds for years, and only in the past few years have big improvements really started to take shape. When the Jubilee eventually fully switches over to ATO I expect that its level of performance will go right up. Meanwhile I think it's a good idea for people to be equally demanding of railway operations all across Britain, though it does seem that in many places people have broadly given up on such hopes and are merely thankful that a service of sorts operates at all. |
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On Feb 18, 7:16 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Do you travel regularly in the rush hour? I used to think 'I'm sure I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where it is simply *not possible* to get on. |
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote: On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London... I don't think you would have done. Assuming it was the rush hour then it isn't that easy to get on a w/b train at Canning Town on a normal headway. It would have been impossible with a ten minute gap in the service. The flows at Stratford are just never ending - goodness knows what it'll be like once all of the improved services are in place! I attended what is called the Ops Committee last week and it was on the Jubilee Line. The Line General Manager showed two graphs which showed the growth in traffic, in both directions in the peak, over the last two years. All of the 7th car capacity increase has been eaten up. The extent of growth is quite amazing. The Jubilee Line has had a rough few months and an awful lot of work is being done to get it back to normal. This was all said in front of Tim O'Toole so you can rest assured he will want to see it all delivered. Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you given over the PA? Haven't seen the daily report but I fear it might be either a signal or train issue - too many of those of late. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On 18 Feb, 21:01, brixtonite wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:16 pm, Mizter T wrote: On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Do you travel regularly in the rush hour? I used to think 'I'm sure I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where it is simply *not possible* to get on. Yes I do, but only by Tube some of the time. But yes, you make a fair enough point. I must admit I was really thinking about this in the context of the eastern end of the Jubilee line, where this gentleman was attempting to get on board. I'm well aware that the line is well patronised in the east these days, unlike in the early days, as more people work at the Wharf and commute via Stratford and West Ham - however, I am under the (perhaps wrongful) impression that during the morning peak it still isn't as crowded as is the case going the other way on the eastbound Jubilee heading in to the Docklands from central London, Waterloo and London Bridge. The picture you paint does show how ugly it can indeed get - and yes, I also have experience of the southern section of the Northern line into town and it is indeed sardine like. If one can possibly avoid the Bank branch during the rush then they certainly should. I also bear the scars of using the North London Line at peak times too, and that is just somewhat unreal! |
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Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T wrote: On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London... I don't think you would have done. Assuming it was the rush hour then it isn't that easy to get on a w/b train at Canning Town on a normal headway. It would have been impossible with a ten minute gap in the service. The flows at Stratford are just never ending - goodness knows what it'll be like once all of the improved services are in place! I attended what is called the Ops Committee last week and it was on the Jubilee Line. The Line General Manager showed two graphs which showed the growth in traffic, in both directions in the peak, over the last two years. All of the 7th car capacity increase has been eaten up. The extent of growth is quite amazing. I'm a little out of date, but evidently out of date enough to not have appreciated quite how hectic it now gets at Stratford in the morning. In which case I offer my apols to the OP for what I implied. That said the alleged upcoming economic supercrash could sort out this problem and turn Canary Wharf into a ghost town. As much as I might like to think that the megabanks might deserve this for their wanton recklessness and unceasing ability to build bigger and bigger houses made from cards, a supercrash is not really something most of us would wish for. Nonetheless an economic downturn could have profound effects on the transport network, something I'm sure you're only too well aware of. Still, it's interesting to ponder just how successful the eastern end of the JLE is compared to the 'ghost train' predictions that some seemed to have at the time - there's at least one thread buried in the archives of utl where this opinion was quite forcefully expressed. If the sky doesn't cave in then it'll be interesting to see how well the Jubilee copes with the ELLX, what with the interchange at Canada Water. Obviously some Docklands bound traffic will switch to using Canada Water as opposed to London Bridge to interchange between the lines, but the short hop from there under the Thames could get a little intimate. The Jubilee Line has had a rough few months and an awful lot of work is being done to get it back to normal. This was all said in front of Tim O'Toole so you can rest assured he will want to see it all delivered. Glad to here it, and I'm sure the OP will be too. |
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On Feb 18, 7:16*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London... Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you given over the PA? The first two trains are both completely packed and there wasn't anyone who wanted to get off as well. Well the third train came after just 2 mins after the second train, what would you do? |
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On Feb 18, 9:10*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T wrote: On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? *I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. *When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. *And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! *This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London... I don't think you would have done. Assuming it was the rush hour then it isn't that easy to get on a w/b train at Canning Town on a normal headway. It would have been impossible with a ten minute gap in the service. *The flows at Stratford are just never ending - goodness knows what it'll be like once all of the improved services are in place! I attended what is called the Ops Committee last week and it was on the Jubilee Line. The Line General Manager showed two graphs which showed the growth in traffic, in both directions in the peak, over the last two years. All of the 7th car capacity increase has been eaten up. The extent of growth is quite amazing. The Jubilee Line has had a rough few months and an awful lot of work is being done to get it back to normal. *This was all said in front of Tim O'Toole so you can rest assured he will want to see it all delivered. Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you given over the PA? Haven't seen the daily report but I fear it might be either a signal or train issue - too many of those of late. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! Paul, There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the DLR at Bank station is a mess as well. I also travelled on the Jubilee line on last Sat. There was a supsension beyond Waterloo and the rest of the line in the west side. Basically there problem is ongoing. |
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On 19 Feb, 18:01, " wrote:
On Feb 18, 9:10*pm, Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T wrote: On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? *I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. *When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. *And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! *This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London... I don't think you would have done. Assuming it was the rush hour then it isn't that easy to get on a w/b train at Canning Town on a normal headway. It would have been impossible with a ten minute gap in the service. *The flows at Stratford are just never ending - goodness knows what it'll be like once all of the improved services are in place! I attended what is called the Ops Committee last week and it was on the Jubilee Line. The Line General Manager showed two graphs which showed the growth in traffic, in both directions in the peak, over the last two years. All of the 7th car capacity increase has been eaten up. The extent of growth is quite amazing. The Jubilee Line has had a rough few months and an awful lot of work is being done to get it back to normal. *This was all said in front of Tim O'Toole so you can rest assured he will want to see it all delivered. Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you given over the PA? Haven't seen the daily report but I fear it might be either a signal or train issue - too many of those of late. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! Paul, There was a signal failure at Stradford. *My purpose of bring the Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are thinking the same thing as I do. *The performance of the Jubilee line is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the DLR at Bank station is a mess as well. I also travelled on the Jubilee line on last Sat. *There was a supsension beyond Waterloo and the rest of the line in the west side. Basically there problem is ongoing. Maybe it started badly and then went into a decline ... Actually, my main experience was back in 2000 or so, when five-or-more- minute intervals were normal in the rush hour if it was running and there were constant signal failures. Maybe it's got better in between, but I don't use it so much. ("Is there a Sunday service on the JLE?" "Yes, every day.") |
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:01:28 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: Paul, There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the DLR at Bank station is a mess as well. The performance of the Jubilee Line has been declining for a number of periods. Tube Lines had managed to get the level of disruption under control earlier in 2007 to the point where they were earning bonuses under the PPP performance regime. They are now heavily back into abatement territory following an increase in overall incidents plus some very long duration incidents such as earlier this month with problems three days in a row in the rush hours. It will be no solace at all to you to know that the Jubilee Line has more "red days" (i.e. high lost customer hours in a day) in Period 11 than the Northern Line. I also travelled on the Jubilee line on last Sat. There was a supsension beyond Waterloo and the rest of the line in the west side. Basically there problem is ongoing. On Saturday there was a defective train at West Ham followed not long after by another problem train at Baker St where there was a report of smoke from under the train. This caused the service to be suspended for 50 minutes. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On 19 Feb, 20:26, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Saturday there was a defective train at West Ham I was trying to catch that. It pulled into the station and sat there without opening the doors, and I got on a northbound instead after a few minutes. Do you know what the problem was? U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:41:35 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote: wrote: There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the DLR at Bank station is a mess as well. What's up with the DLR at Bank at the mo? I suspect he may be referring to the escalator problems that are causing delays and congestion within the station complex. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On 19 Feb, 22:56, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:41:35 -0800 (PST), Mizter T wrote: wrote: There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the DLR at Bank station is a mess as well. What's up with the DLR at Bank at the mo? I suspect he may be referring to the escalator problems that are causing delays and congestion within the station complex. -- Paul C Aha, of course. Perhaps some people might wish to make more use of Tower Gateway, where it's somewhat less hectic in the morning peak. Though that's only really of use to people on the District line coming from the west - I'd hope that those coming in on the Met have already worked out that Tower Gateway DLR is just down the road from Aldgate. However from Tower Gateway the DLR trains head off east to Beckton, so for those heading for Canary Wharf this necessitates a change at Westferry, to cram on the train from Bank heading to the Wharf. Although of course it doesn't - the more appropriate change at Westferry would be onto foot for the short walk onto the Wharf. All of which isn't a great deal of help for those coming from other parts for whom the Jubilee line is the sole sensible rail route. |
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:16 pm, Mizter T wrote: On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote: Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed. So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is really an unacceptable service. I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often less packed. Do you travel regularly in the rush hour? I used to think 'I'm sure I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where it is simply *not possible* to get on. I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say - quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief! tom -- At Forkmeeter in 12478, the Wracket Dispersal had reached the first limit of its bounding eastward rush. |
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Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote: (snip) [...] I used to think 'I'm sure I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where it is simply *not possible* to get on. I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say - quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief! tom It's like Dante's Inferno at the peak of the rush hour. Obviously the Northern line is a major factor in making Clapham a popular district to live in, problem being that it's a victim of its own success. For journeys from Clapham to the City the Northern line really is the glaringly obvious route by public transport. One alternative is the South London Line from Clapham High Street to London Bridge, but that's a half-hourly two car train that also gets pretty busy. Otherwise it's the bus, and one has to change at Elephant & Castle as well - perhaps there's a need for a through bus to the City (like there used to be?), to take some of the strain off the Northern line. All of which explains why there's an awful lot of people cycling up to town from those parts these days. The Northern line is also pretty busy during the 'shoulder peak' periods, when many of those who can sensibly opt to travel in a more civilised manner (albeit quite possibly at a less civilised hour!). |
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On 20 Feb, 11:51, Tom Anderson wrote:
I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say - quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief! Could she not give you a lift to somewhere more sensible? ;-) [seriously though, "is an interchange station" is actually a criterion on my "choosing a place to live in London"-meter. Getting on the first train at Finsbury Park or Whitechapel or Mile End or Stratford or Hammersmith is seldom a problem - Arsenal and Stepney/Bethnal Greens are a lot more challenging. And I think Angel's the only place I've ever had to let a train go past...] -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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Hi Paul,
Yes. I'm referring to that. The escalator has been down for a long time and causing congestion at Bank station. Bank DLR station had to be shut down for from time to time for this reason. The other question is, why it takes so long to refurbish an escalator? I've hardly seen anyone working on those enclosed escalators. On Feb 19, 10:56*pm, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:41:35 -0800 (PST), Mizter T wrote: wrote: There was a signal failure at Stradford. *My purpose of bring the Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are thinking the same thing as I do. *The performance of the Jubilee line is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the DLR at Bank station is a mess as well. What's up with the DLR at Bank at the mo? I suspect he may be referring to the escalator problems that are causing delays and congestion within the station complex. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On 20 Feb, 12:46, "Richard J." wrote:
wrote: Hi Paul, Yes. *I'm referring to that. *The escalator has been down for a long time and causing congestion at Bank station. *Bank DLR station had to be shut down for from time to time for this reason. The other question is, why it takes so long to refurbish an escalator? *I've hardly seen anyone working on those enclosed escalators. Which escalator is out of action? *Specifically I want to know if it affects Monument - DLR interchanges in either direction. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) Certainly the one heading from the Central down to the DLR. When I was last there it was walk down and escalator up. I don't know about the Monument end. |
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On 20 Feb, 12:23, " wrote:
Yes. I'm referring to that. The escalator has been down for a long time and causing congestion at Bank station. Bank DLR station had to be shut down for from time to time for this reason. I thought the problem was that the escalator *hadn't* been down...? /coat -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, John B wrote:
On 20 Feb, 11:51, Tom Anderson wrote: I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say - quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief! Could she not give you a lift to somewhere more sensible? ;-) She worked near Fulham (hence the car - there's no good public transport route between south Clapham and Fulham, although if the station at Imperial Wharf ever happens, there will be), i work near Euston, so she didn't go anywhere near any stations that would have been more useful. [seriously though, "is an interchange station" is actually a criterion on my "choosing a place to live in London"-meter. Getting on the first train at Finsbury Park or Whitechapel or Mile End or Stratford or Hammersmith is seldom a problem - Arsenal and Stepney/Bethnal Greens are a lot more challenging. And I think Angel's the only place I've ever had to let a train go past...] Good point. Being an interchange station also implies having more than one line, which gives you flexibility when things go tits-up. I live near Finsbury Park, and have two tube lines and two railway lines heading south. If only they'd reroute all the buses that go up Holloway Road via Finsbury Park as well ... tom -- At Forkmeeter in 12478, the Wracket Dispersal had reached the first limit of its bounding eastward rush. |
Jubilee line deteriorating service
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Mizter T wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote: [...] I used to think 'I'm sure I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where it is simply *not possible* to get on. I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say - quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief! It's like Dante's Inferno at the peak of the rush hour. Worse - no Virgil! Obviously the Northern line is a major factor in making Clapham a popular district to live in, problem being that it's a victim of its own success. For journeys from Clapham to the City the Northern line really is the glaringly obvious route by public transport. One alternative is the South London Line from Clapham High Street to London Bridge, but that's a half-hourly two car train that also gets pretty busy. On the southern side, ther are also trains from Balham, and i think they're better than two cars twice an hour, but they go to Victoria, so they don't compete with either branch of the Northern line. You can change onto the Victoria line there, of course, which in principle could tempt away some of the millions of people who take the Northern line to Stockwell and then change, but the change at Victoria is much more of a pain. Otherwise it's the bus, and one has to change at Elephant & Castle as well - perhaps there's a need for a through bus to the City (like there used to be?), to take some of the strain off the Northern line. Possibly. How long would it take, in rush hour? All of which explains why there's an awful lot of people cycling up to town from those parts these days. The Northern line is also pretty busy during the 'shoulder peak' periods, when many of those who can sensibly opt to travel in a more civilised manner (albeit quite possibly at a less civilised hour!). Depends which shoulder. I often manage to travel in an entirely civilised manner on the tube, and arrive at work just in time for an appropriately civilised luncheon! tom -- At Forkmeeter in 12478, the Wracket Dispersal had reached the first limit of its bounding eastward rush. |
Jubilee line deteriorating service
On 20 Feb, 16:40, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Mizter T wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote: [...] I used to think 'I'm sure I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where it is simply *not possible* to get on. I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say - quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief! It's like Dante's Inferno at the peak of the rush hour. Worse - no Virgil! Obviously the Northern line is a major factor in making Clapham a popular district to live in, problem being that it's a victim of its own success. For journeys from Clapham to the City the Northern line really is the glaringly obvious route by public transport. One alternative is the South London Line from Clapham High Street to London Bridge, but that's a half-hourly two car train that also gets pretty busy. On the southern side, ther are also trains from Balham, and i think they're better than two cars twice an hour, but they go to Victoria, so they don't compete with either branch of the Northern line. You can change onto the Victoria line there, of course, which in principle could tempt away some of the millions of people who take the Northern line to Stockwell and then change, but the change at Victoria is much more of a pain. It's also frequently closed, although you can sneak round via the District Line gates. |
Jubilee line deteriorating service
Tom Anderson wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Mizter T wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote: [...] I used to think 'I'm sure I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where it is simply *not possible* to get on. I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say - quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief! It's like Dante's Inferno at the peak of the rush hour. Worse - no Virgil! Obviously the Northern line is a major factor in making Clapham a popular district to live in, problem being that it's a victim of its own success. For journeys from Clapham to the City the Northern line really is the glaringly obvious route by public transport. One alternative is the South London Line from Clapham High Street to London Bridge, but that's a half-hourly two car train that also gets pretty busy. On the southern side, there are also trains from Balham, and i think they're better than two cars twice an hour, but they go to Victoria, so they don't compete with either branch of the Northern line. You can change onto the Victoria line there, of course, which in principle could tempt away some of the millions of people who take the Northern line to Stockwell and then change, but the change at Victoria is much more of a pain. Oh, plenty of trains from Balham to Victoria, every five minutes or so in the morning peak at least. Though they're pretty busy I understand. I'm not quite sure how many people jump off at Balham for the Northern line though. There are only a few through trains from Selhurst up to Streatham Common through to London Bridge, in fact from a quick glance less during the peak than the off-peak (when it's half-hourly), so there might be a number of people transferring to the Northern line for the City off of these Victoria-bound trains leaving a little bit more space for those getting on them. Problem with this is that they go to Victoria, not the City. A trudge along the southern chunk of the Circle line towards the square mile doesn't make this seem that attractive. If Claphamites do want the Victoria line yet wish to avoid the Northern line, then they could just take the bus up to Stockwell - indeed, depending upon where they are it could even be a better option to get onto Wandsworth Road and take a bus up to Vauxhall from there - though this wouldn't be suited to those starting from south of the Common. Otherwise it's the bus, and one has to change at Elephant & Castle as well - perhaps there's a need for a through bus to the City (like there used to be?), to take some of the strain off the Northern line. Possibly. How long would it take, in rush hour? Significantly longer, of course (and is particularly pronounced as the Northern line runs directly under the road the bus would take all the way up to London Bridge). The off-peak estimate for Clapham South to E&C by 155 bus alone is 23 minutes (three minutes less from Clapham Common). Though perhaps for those who work in the Borough near London Bridge this could be a goer, dare I suggest they could even walk up from E&C! A direct bus service might attract those who couldn't handle the crammed Northern line, plus those who are more price sensitive. I don't really embrace the idea of a 'two class' transport system, with the less well off taking the bus, but of course buses can (and do) relieve overburdened rail routes and the price of the fares can contribute towards attracting people onto the bus. All of which explains why there's an awful lot of people cycling up to town from those parts these days. The Northern line is also pretty busy during the 'shoulder peak' periods, when many of those who can sensibly opt to travel in a more civilised manner (albeit quite possibly at a less civilised hour!). Depends which shoulder. I often manage to travel in an entirely civilised manner on the tube, and arrive at work just in time for an appropriately civilised luncheon! tom Nice, very nice! We need to assert our innate British ways, turn away from notions of American power breakfasts and get back to those golden days... |
Jubilee line deteriorating service
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:14:09 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant wrote: On 19 Feb, 20:26, Paul Corfield wrote: On Saturday there was a defective train at West Ham I was trying to catch that. It pulled into the station and sat there without opening the doors, and I got on a northbound instead after a few minutes. Do you know what the problem was? A check reveals that there was a problem with the train management system and the train had to be taken out of service. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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