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London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
The Oyster pads that were retrofitted to the ticket machines on the
Euston - Watford line have at last been activated. They act similarly to the new machines fitted on the North London Line as they accept card topups in multiples of 10p, but do not accept Solo or Electron. Wembley Central to Wembley Stadium is now an out-of-barrier interchange. Platforms 4 to 6 at Wembley Central still lack Oyster validators. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On Mar 2, 12:27*am, Matthew Dickinson
wrote: The Oyster pads that were retrofitted to the ticket machines on the Euston - Watford line have at last been activated. They act similarly to the new machines fitted on the North London Line as they accept card topups in multiples of 10p, but do not accept Solo or Electron. Wembley Central to Wembley Stadium is now an out-of-barrier interchange. Platforms 4 to 6 at Wembley Central still lack Oyster validators. I wonder why they can't use a similar system to add Oyster functionality to the (superficially similar) Tramlink and DLR ticket machines? It seems a massive oversight. Or perhaps it's just because London Overground is TfL's toy of the month... |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 4 Mar, 18:58, Rupert Candy wrote:
I wonder why they can't use a similar system to add Oyster functionality to the (superficially similar) Tramlink and DLR ticket machines? It seems a massive oversight. Or perhaps it's just because London Overground is TfL's toy of the month... It's worth it for the manufacturers of NR ticket machines to come up with an Oyster solution, because it'll eventually be needed across the network. The DLR ticket machines are a fairly unique and quite elderly design, and I doubt TfL is willing to fund its further development. Never seen a Tramlink ticket machine. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 4 Mar, 19:26, Mr Thant wrote: On 4 Mar, 18:58, Rupert Candy wrote: I wonder why they can't use a similar system to add Oyster functionality to the (superficially similar) Tramlink and DLR ticket machines? It seems a massive oversight. Or perhaps it's just because London Overground is TfL's toy of the month... It's worth it for the manufacturers of NR ticket machines to come up with an Oyster solution, because it'll eventually be needed across the network. The DLR ticket machines are a fairly unique and quite elderly design, and I doubt TfL is willing to fund its further development. Never seen a Tramlink ticket machine. DLR ticket machines aren't that unique - the Tramlink ones are of the exact same design! On this page is a DLR ticket machine (courtesy of TfL's Transport School!)... http://preview.tinyurl.com/3ym74z ....and, thanks to the sadly departed Mr Parascandolo, are some photos of Tramlink ticket machines on his website that has been kept up and running (scroll down on both pages - the second page shows a shot of the menu screen, which is much the same as the DLR)... http://www.tramlink.co.uk/info/gen/tickets.shtml http://www.croydon-tramlink.co.uk/in...thistory.shtml (You can buy a 7-day bus pass from the Tramlink machines, which I have indeed done a couple of times in the past - it comes on standard green Tramlink ticket stock and it stumped a couple of bus drivers!). It would be really useful if the DLR machines did do Oyster - I was a bit stumped the the other day with a friend who needed to top up their Oyster card before catching the DLR at Shadwell - the nearest place we could find was on Commercial Road. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
DLR ticket machines aren't that unique - the Tramlink ones are of the exact same design! Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! It would be really useful if the DLR machines did do Oyster - I was a bit stumped the the other day with a friend who needed to top up their Oyster card before catching the DLR at Shadwell - the nearest place we could find was on Commercial Road. It does seem a massive oversight to me, when TfL is trying so hard to promote Oyster as a replacement for all paper-based tickets (which it blatantly isn't, at least not yet!) |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 4 Mar, 23:25, Rupert Candy wrote: DLR ticket machines aren't that unique - the Tramlink ones are of the exact same design! Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! And indeed it already has been done, hence this thread! The Scheidt & Bachmann made ticket machines originally installed by Silverlink at stations on the Watford - Euston line and some stations on the North London Line have been so modified. The Oyster readers in fact appeared on them ages ago, around the time of the handover to London Overground, but as the OP reports they have only just been turned on - which does suggest there were some glitches which meant they weren't yet ready to be unleashed for public use (I'm guessing there were software issues but I don't know so). It would be really useful if the DLR machines did do Oyster - I was a bit stumped the the other day with a friend who needed to top up their Oyster card before catching the DLR at Shadwell - the nearest place we could find was on Commercial Road. It does seem a massive oversight to me, when TfL is trying so hard to promote Oyster as a replacement for all paper-based tickets (which it blatantly isn't, at least not yet!) Well, of course Oyster Pay-as-you-go isn't available on most National Rail services in London - but that's not for the want of TfL and the Mayor's trying! It will happen in the next few years. One very useful solution is auto top-up - anytime teh balance on your Oyster card goes below £5, it gets topped up by either £20 or £40, and that amount is then debited from your nominated debit or credit card. It is very handy, it just means you don't have to worry about whether you've got enough credit, and I would recommend it. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:25:31 -0800 (PST), Rupert Candy
wrote: Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! It might be - but the user interface is crap, so perhaps they're planned for total replacement at some point. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
Rupert Candy wrote:
DLR ticket machines aren't that unique - the Tramlink ones are of the exact same design! Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! The ticket machines in Grenoble are so similar to Tramlink, they think they are in Croydon: http://www.ajg41.plus.com/images/rai...tramlink02.jpg |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:25:31 -0800 (PST), Rupert Candy wrote: Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! It might be - but the user interface is crap, so perhaps they're planned for total replacement at some point. Neil -- Is it easy to get a Navigo card these days? |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:04:52 GMT, wrote:
Is it easy to get a Navigo card these days? delay Yes, a "Navigo Découverte" is an unregistered Navigo card that cannot be cancelled and reissued if lost, etc. You get a shrink-wrapped kit with the card, a plastic holder for it and a photocard to stick your picture to. Costs €5 from stations, agents, etc. Richard. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
Richard wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:04:52 GMT, wrote: Is it easy to get a Navigo card these days? delay Yes, a "Navigo Découverte" is an unregistered Navigo card that cannot be cancelled and reissued if lost, etc. You get a shrink-wrapped kit with the card, a plastic holder for it and a photocard to stick your picture to. Costs ?5 from stations, agents, etc. In case anyone is thinking of getting a Navigo on their next visit to Paris, please note that there is no Pay-As-You-Go facility. You can only load a weekly or longer Travelcard-type "Carte Orange" on to a Navigo, and the weekly/monthly seasons are only valid for calendar weeks/months (week starting on Monday, month starting on the 1st). The 5 euro charge is AFAIK not refundable. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) www.stayparis.net |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:41:05 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: In case anyone is thinking of getting a Navigo on their next visit to Paris, please note that there is no Pay-As-You-Go facility. You can only load a weekly or longer Travelcard-type "Carte Orange" on to a Navigo, and the weekly/monthly seasons are only valid for calendar weeks/months (week starting on Monday, month starting on the 1st). Why do they do that? Doesn't it just result in long queues? Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 5 Mar, 00:54, Mizter T wrote:
On 4 Mar, 23:25, Rupert Candy wrote: DLR ticket machines aren't that unique - the Tramlink ones are of the exact same design! Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! And indeed it already has been done, hence this thread! The Scheidt & Bachmann made ticket machines originally installed by Silverlink at stations on the Watford - Euston line and some stations on the North London Line have been so modified. The Oyster readers in fact appeared on them ages ago, around the time of the handover to London Overground, but as the OP reports they have only just been turned on - which does suggest there were some glitches which meant they weren't yet ready to be unleashed for public use (I'm guessing there were software issues but I don't know so). It would be really useful if the DLR machines did do Oyster - I was a bit stumped the the other day with a friend who needed to top up their Oyster card before catching the DLR at Shadwell - the nearest place we could find was on Commercial Road. It does seem a massive oversight to me, when TfL is trying so hard to promote Oyster as a replacement for all paper-based tickets (which it blatantly isn't, at least not yet!) Well, of course Oyster Pay-as-you-go isn't available on most National Rail services in London - but that's not for the want of TfL and the Mayor's trying! It will happen in the next few years. But the biggest flaw with oyster is the "bus replacement" issue. If I get a tube from Epping to Oxford Circue, and there's a "replacement bus" from Loughton to Leytonstone, I get charged for at least two tube journeys, and maybe a bus journey too. In many cases at the weekend,a paper ticket is cheaper, and certainly less stressful. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
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Paul Weaver wrote: On 5 Mar, 00:54, Mizter T wrote: On 4 Mar, 23:25, Rupert Candy wrote: DLR ticket machines aren't that unique - the Tramlink ones are of the exact same design! Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! And indeed it already has been done, hence this thread! The Scheidt & Bachmann made ticket machines originally installed by Silverlink at stations on the Watford - Euston line and some stations on the North London Line have been so modified. The Oyster readers in fact appeared on them ages ago, around the time of the handover to London Overground, but as the OP reports they have only just been turned on - which does suggest there were some glitches which meant they weren't yet ready to be unleashed for public use (I'm guessing there were software issues but I don't know so). It would be really useful if the DLR machines did do Oyster - I was a bit stumped the the other day with a friend who needed to top up their Oyster card before catching the DLR at Shadwell - the nearest place we could find was on Commercial Road. It does seem a massive oversight to me, when TfL is trying so hard to promote Oyster as a replacement for all paper-based tickets (which it blatantly isn't, at least not yet!) Well, of course Oyster Pay-as-you-go isn't available on most National Rail services in London - but that's not for the want of TfL and the Mayor's trying! It will happen in the next few years. But the biggest flaw with oyster is the "bus replacement" issue. If I get a tube from Epping to Oxford Circue, and there's a "replacement bus" from Loughton to Leytonstone, I get charged for at least two tube journeys, and maybe a bus journey too. In many cases at the weekend,a paper ticket is cheaper, and certainly less stressful. Whe I've used a replacement bus in London, the Oyster reader on the bus wasn't in use. And how can a paper ticket be less stressful? -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 25 Apr, 01:15, Paul Weaver wrote: On 5 Mar, 00:54, Mizter T wrote: On 4 Mar, 23:25, Rupert Candy wrote: (snip) It does seem a massive oversight to me, when TfL is trying so hard to promote Oyster as a replacement for all paper-based tickets (which it blatantly isn't, at least not yet!) Well, of course Oyster Pay-as-you-go isn't available on most National Rail services in London - but that's not for the want of TfL and the Mayor's trying! It will happen in the next few years. But the biggest flaw with oyster is the "bus replacement" issue. If I get a tube from Epping to Oxford Circue, and there's a "replacement bus" from Loughton to Leytonstone, I get charged for at least two tube journeys, and maybe a bus journey too. In many cases at the weekend,a paper ticket is cheaper, and certainly less stressful. I think you're mistaken Paul. When the District and Piccadilly lines were suspended between Acton Town and Hammersmith at the weekend recently, I specifically decided to test out what happens when one makes use of a replacement bus for part of the journey. So... - I started off at Ealing Broadway, and entered the station via the gates (and hence touched-in); - then took the District 'shuttle' that terminated at Acton Town; - left the station via the gates (and hence touched-out); - got on the replacement bus to Hammersmith (no need to touch-in as there was no reader); - entered Hammersmith station via the gates (and hence touched-in); - took the Piccadilly line to Earl's Court; - left the station via the gates (and hence touched-out). I then checked what I'd been charged, and for the whole journey it was £1 - which is the correct PAYG fare for a zones 2&3 journey. The system had been configured specifically so as to allow for what I had just done, so when I re-entered through the gates at Hammersmith it just resumed my journey rather than starting a new one. On other replacement buses perhaps you might have to touch-in, but if so I don't think these are ever configured to actually charge you anything - the East London Line replacement buses all charge you a 0p fare (i.e. zero pence) when using Oyster PAYG. Therefore I contend that the supposed Oyster "bus replacement issue" / flaw that you speak of simply doesn't exist, as the system has been designed to accommodate for such things. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 25 Apr, 07:44, Graeme Wall wrote:
In message Paul Weaver wrote: On 5 Mar, 00:54, Mizter T wrote: On 4 Mar, 23:25, Rupert Candy wrote: DLR ticket machines aren't that unique - the Tramlink ones are of the exact same design! Indeed so, as are most of the ticket machines on the Paris Metro - which have recently been adapted with smartcard readers for the Navigo card. So it can be done! And indeed it already has been done, hence this thread! The Scheidt & Bachmann made ticket machines originally installed by Silverlink at stations on the Watford - Euston line and some stations on the North London Line have been so modified. The Oyster readers in fact appeared on them ages ago, around the time of the handover to London Overground, but as the OP reports they have only just been turned on - which does suggest there were some glitches which meant they weren't yet ready to be unleashed for public use (I'm guessing there were software issues but I don't know so). It would be really useful if the DLR machines did do Oyster - I was a bit stumped the the other day with a friend who needed to top up their Oyster card before catching the DLR at Shadwell - the nearest place we could find was on Commercial Road. It does seem a massive oversight to me, when TfL is trying so hard to promote Oyster as a replacement for all paper-based tickets (which it blatantly isn't, at least not yet!) Well, of course Oyster Pay-as-you-go isn't available on most National Rail services in London - but that's not for the want of TfL and the Mayor's trying! It will happen in the next few years. But the biggest flaw with oyster is the "bus replacement" issue. If I get a tube from Epping to Oxford Circue, and there's a "replacement bus" from Loughton to Leytonstone, I get charged for at least two tube journeys, and maybe a bus journey too. In many cases at the weekend,a paper ticket is cheaper, and certainly less stressful. Whe I've used a replacement bus in London, the Oyster reader on the bus wasn't in use. And how can a paper ticket be less stressful? You buy the ticket in advance, and you know you have the right to continue your journey. I was charged a fortune once, Epping to Cutty Sark. Touch in at Epping, central line to Stratford, then what? No barriers, cross platform interschange, should I Touch out on the validator nearest to the tube, should I touch in on the DLR (platform 4), should I do both? DLR then arrived at Poplar or West India Key, I forget. Should I now touch out? Got on the replacement bus, nobody touched in. This took us to Mudchute. Got to mudchute, should I touch in at Mudchute? Got off at Cutty Sark, should I touch out? Are all the validators equal, or are some "entry" and some "exit"? I managed to get three unresolved journeys that day. Same story on the way back. Had I bought a paper ticket It would have been a hell of a lot less stressful. Had I realised the DLR was out that day I wouldn't have made the trip at all. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 25 Apr, 11:15, Paul Weaver wrote:
On 25 Apr, 07:44, Graeme Wall wrote: In message Paul Weaver wrote: But the biggest flaw with oyster is the "bus replacement" issue. If I get a tube from Epping to Oxford Circue, and there's a "replacement bus" from Loughton to Leytonstone, I get charged for at least two tube journeys, and maybe a bus journey too. In many cases at the weekend,a paper ticket is cheaper, and certainly less stressful. Whe I've used a replacement bus in London, the Oyster reader on the bus wasn't in use. And how can a paper ticket be less stressful? You buy the ticket in advance, and you know you have the right to continue your journey. I was charged a fortune once, Epping to Cutty Sark. Touch in at Epping, central line to Stratford, then what? No barriers, cross platform interschange, should I Touch out on the validator nearest to the tube, should I touch in on the DLR (platform 4), should I do both? You actually don't need to do either as you're merely continuing your journey from Epping where you touched in, but I don't think it should matter if you do touch-in once or even twice on the standalone readers there. What did you actually do? DLR then arrived at Poplar or West India Key, I forget. Should I now touch out? Got on the replacement bus, nobody touched in. This took us to Mudchute. Got to mudchute, should I touch in at Mudchute? Got off at Cutty Sark, should I touch out? Are all the validators equal, or are some "entry" and some "exit"? I managed to get three unresolved journeys that day. Don't touch-out before getting on the replacement bus at Poplar/West India Quay, and don't touch in again at Mudchute (though if you had touched-out at Poplar/West India Quay you would have ended your journey, so you would then need to touch-in again at Mudchute to start a new one). All the validators on the DLR are the same - none are specifically configured for entry or exit, they handle both. Again, what did you actually do? I'm also wondering how long your total journey was from Epping to Cutty Sark - did it take longer than two hours? If so there's a possible explanation to the multiple unresolved journey 'penalties' that you got that day - the system would appear to be configured with the presumption that any end-to-end journey should be completed within two hours. If not then it concludes you have made one journey where you failed to touch-out, and another where you failed to touch-in, and thus charges you for two uncompleted journeys. I don't know whether this has been tweaked yet, but it certainly should be. Same story on the way back. Had I bought a paper ticket It would have been a hell of a lot less stressful. Had I realised the DLR was out that day I wouldn't have made the trip at all. I can understand where you're coming from now. I suspect Oyster Rail needs some refinement if it is going to be able to cope with National Rail in London too, especially given that the majority of stations are ungated hence there will be a plethora of standalone Oyster readers that must deal with both entries and exits. By the by the DLR is going to be subject to partial closure pretty much every weekend for a good while to come whilst work proceeds on lengthening platforms to accommodate three car trains. An alternative route for Epping to Greenwich is to change at Stratford to the Jubilee to North Greenwich, then a short trip on the very regular and reliable 188 bus to Greenwich town centre. It's not as impressive as going through the Isle of Dogs on the DLR though! |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:57:23 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote: Therefore I contend that the supposed Oyster "bus replacement issue" / flaw that you speak of simply doesn't exist, as the system has been designed to accommodate for such things. I can support that with my experience on the Piccadilly line with a replacement bus between H&I and Seven Sisters - the tube barriers were open to exit and enter the stations and no one touched in on the buses. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
"G" wrote I can support that with my experience on the Piccadilly line with a replacement bus between H&I and Seven Sisters - the tube barriers were open to exit and enter the stations and no one touched in on the buses. I'm not quite sure when the Piccadilly Line served Seven Sisters. Leaving the barriers open is fine for passengers who transfer from tube to replacement bus then back to tube, but what about passengers who end their journey at an intermediate station served by the bus? Unless it is made clear that they must touch out when they leave the tube (although other passengers are encouraged not to) they will get an unresolved journey. Peter |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On 27 Apr, 22:28, "Peter Masson" wrote: "G" wrote I can support that with my experience on the Piccadilly line with a replacement bus between H&I and Seven Sisters - the tube barriers were open to exit and enter the stations and no one touched in on the buses. I'm not quite sure when the Piccadilly Line served Seven Sisters. Leaving the barriers open is fine for passengers who transfer from tube to replacement bus then back to tube, but what about passengers who end their journey at an intermediate station served by the bus? Unless it is made clear that they must touch out when they leave the tube (although other passengers are encouraged not to) they will get an unresolved journey. I'm a little unclear as to what exactly "G" experienced, but if one looks upthread one can read my account and in the case of what I experienced - a replacement bus service between Acton Town and Hammersmith - the gates were *not* open, so one had to touch-out/in as appropriate. However what had happened was that the Oyster system had been configured so as to mean that two legs of travel on the Tube were counted and charged as if they were just one through journey. |
London Overground ticket machines & Oyster
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:28:56 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote: I can support that with my experience on the Piccadilly line with a replacement bus between H&I and Seven Sisters - the tube barriers were open to exit and enter the stations and no one touched in on the buses. I'm not quite sure when the Piccadilly Line served Seven Sisters. No, neither am I ! Think Victoria, type Piccadilly... (I got the stations correct though) Leaving the barriers open is fine for passengers who transfer from tube to replacement bus then back to tube, but what about passengers who end their journey at an intermediate station served by the bus? Two options - touch out before you get on the bus or go into the destination station. Neither are really acceptable though because you have to break normal routine to do it. |
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