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On 11 Apr, 18:13, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

sweek wrote:
I'm sorry if this is a bit of a stupid questions, but by Wimbledon
loop do people mean the one with Sutton on it, right?

Yes.

It variously gets called the Wimbledon Loop, the Sutton Loop and the
Sutton/Wimbledon (or indeed Wimbledon/Sutton) Loop. All the same thing.

And "the wall of death" - the Wimbledon-Sutton bit was IIRC built in the
1920s and electrified from the word go, so had fierce grades.

Regards

Jonathan

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news outlook wrote:
"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message
I'm sorry if this is a bit of a stupid questions, but by Wimbledon
loop do people mean the one with Sutton on it, right?

Yes. aka Wall of Death.


How did it come to be known by such a distinctive (and ominous) name?

The "Wall of Death" was a fairground attraction of the 1930s (when
Wimbledon to Sutton was built), where stunt motorcyclists rode around
the inside of a vertically mounted wooden cylinder using a combination
of speed and centri{fugal,petal} force to do tricks. Obviously named
after it because of the curves and gradients which resembled the path a
rider inside a Wall of Death took ! Now vanished along with other once
popular attractions like the Cakewalk.

Nick
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On 12 Apr, 15:07, "news outlook" wrote:
How did it come to be known by such a distinctive (and ominous) name?

Why does it have lawns on most of the platforms? I don't think I've
seen these anywhere else.

eg:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/monoledue/1591795147/

U

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Peter Masson wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Abigail Brady wrote:
On Apr 12, 12:00 am, Dave Nesbitt
wrote:
One delightful idiosyncrasy is that to get to Sutton direct from
Blackfriars you take a train indicated to Wimbledon, and vice versa.
This is one of these cases where the departure boards at Blackfriars
should probably lie about the destination, by giving 'St Helier via
Sutton' and 'Morden South via Wimbledon' (or whatever pair of stations
works out to be the best advice) as the destinations.
There will be several stations for which the best train from Blackfriars
will be the next loop train regardless of direction. If they reduce the
service frequency enough, this would cover the entire loop, removing all
confusion. ;-)

On the standard off-peak service this seems to apply to stations South
Merton to West Sutton inclusive - and on the basis that a train at the
platform is worth two on the departure board, that might well be extended at
least to Wimbledon Chase and Sutton.

The UKRTT does not in fact give any clues that through running takes place,
showing all trains in either direction as terminating at Sutton - and
presumably the xx05 and xx35 arrivals at Sutton via Wimbledon form, after
standing for minus one minute, the xx04 and xx34 departures via Hackbridge.

It plays havoc with the screens and announcements at Sutton.

"This train terminates here", when it is actually going to London in 1
min (though some really do terminate). The system also can't figure out
that if the arrival from Wimbledon is late, the departure for Hackbridge
will also be late.

If this happens, a Southern (pronounced "Sutton" by the tannoy) train
might be put through first. Both Southern and FCC trains can be in
Southern colours, so you have to be very careful when working out which
train you have in front of you :-)

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Meanwhile other people have aspirations for using the Sutton Loop
Quote

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n...nto_sutton.php

Tube and tram could extend into Sutton
Plans to 'stretch' the Northern Line and build a new station in Merton
have been included in a series of ambitious transport proposals
compiled by the leaders of south London councils.
The line would use the current sidings running through the south of
the borough and is part of a list of transport priorities presented to
Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson in the run up to the London Mayoral
elections.
The Tramlink has also been earmarked for an extension as part of the
proposals with Wimbledon being connected to Sutton.
"There's a real chance that these ideas will be taken seriously," said
Merton Council leader David Williams.
"Yes, it's aspirational but if you don't dare to dream it will never
happen."
Both Livingstone and Johnson have agreed to consider the plans after
recent visits to the borough where they were presented with the
proposals.
Mr Williams added: "It makes sense to do this because it won't require
tunnelling and while it may well cost tens of millions of pounds, it
will increase the connectivity of the area enormously by running the
Northern Line as far as St Helier.
"And the extension of the Tramlink to Sutton will make a huge
difference to the orbital network, improving accessibility and taking
cars off the road. It will also open up more job opportunities."
According to the leader of Merton Council, Greater London Authorities
statistics also suggest there is potential for economic growth in the
area but it is being "suffocated" by poor transport links.
7:21pm Wednesday 2nd April 2008
unquote

From looking at the map it seems an obvious link - but if so why has
this not been done before. IIRC the southern end of the Northern line
gets quite congested - Is this because the stations are too small, the
train frequency too low or the peak hour passenger demand too great.

Mwmbwls wrote:
Meanwhile other people have aspirations for using the Sutton Loop
Quote

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n...nto_sutton.php

Tube and tram could extend into Sutton
Plans to 'stretch' the Northern Line and build a new station in Merton
have been included in a series of ambitious transport proposals
compiled by the leaders of south London councils.
The line would use the current sidings running through the south of
the borough and is part of a list of transport priorities presented to
Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson in the run up to the London Mayoral
elections.

Getting from Morden depot to the Sutton line would at least perpetuate
the nickname for the Morden loop (the wall of death)
The trouble is if the Northern line were to use it would they share the
line, If not what would happen to the existing services?
Also has anybody consulted the mosque?

The Tramlink has also been earmarked for an extension as part of the
proposals with Wimbledon being connected to Sutton.
"There's a real chance that these ideas will be taken seriously," said
Merton Council leader David Williams.
"Yes, it's aspirational but if you don't dare to dream it will never
happen."
Both Livingstone and Johnson have agreed to consider the plans after
recent visits to the borough where they were presented with the
proposals.
Mr Williams added: "It makes sense to do this because it won't require
tunnelling and while it may well cost tens of millions of pounds, it
will increase the connectivity of the area enormously by running the
Northern Line as far as St Helier.

Why not go to Sutton?

"And the extension of the Tramlink to Sutton will make a huge
difference to the orbital network, improving accessibility and taking
cars off the road. It will also open up more job opportunities."
According to the leader of Merton Council, Greater London Authorities
statistics also suggest there is potential for economic growth in the
area but it is being "suffocated" by poor transport links.
7:21pm Wednesday 2nd April 2008
unquote

From looking at the map it seems an obvious link - but if so why has
this not been done before. IIRC the southern end of the Northern line
gets quite congested - Is this because the stations are too small, the
train frequency too low or the peak hour passenger demand too great.


--
Tony the Dragon

"Mwmbwls" wrote in message
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Meanwhile other people have aspirations for using the Sutton Loop
Quote


http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n...nto_sutton.php

Tube and tram could extend into Sutton
Plans to 'stretch' the Northern Line and build a new station in Merton
have been included in a series of ambitious transport proposals
compiled by the leaders of south London councils.
The line would use the current sidings running through the south of
the borough and is part of a list of transport priorities presented to
Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson in the run up to the London Mayoral
elections.

The Wimbledon & Sutton line was originally promoted by local landowners, who
obtained powers for it in 1910, though no steps to commence construction
were made. They intended to have District railway trains extended over their
line to Sutton (I don't know how they intended to cross the SWML). In 1922
there were proposals to extend the Northern Line to Sutton, using the
powers. The Southern resisted this, and agreed to build and work the line,
which opened in part in 1929 and throughout in 1930.

Peter

In message
Mwmbwls wrote:

[snip]

Tube and tram could extend into Sutton
Plans to 'stretch' the Northern Line and build a new station in Merton
have been included in a series of ambitious transport proposals
compiled by the leaders of south London councils.
[snip]

From looking at the map it seems an obvious link - but if so why has
this not been done before. IIRC the southern end of the Northern line
gets quite congested - Is this because the stations are too small, the
train frequency too low or the peak hour passenger demand too great.

IIRC the idea of extending the Northern Line southwards has been suggested a
number of times before. It didn't make it into the 1972 London Rail Study so
the economic case must have been poor at that time. However times change and
congestion now is a lot worse than it was then.

--
Graeme Wall
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Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On 13 Apr, 17:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
However times change and congestion now is a lot worse than it was then.

Especially on the Northern Line.

Looking at the South London RUS there's a plan for 4 trains an hour
each way, running Blackfriars-Wimbledon-Sutton-London Bridge. This
coincides with the service being separated from Thameslink. The
journey time should be competitive with the Northern Line.

As far as local connectivity goes, the nearest thing to a viable plan
would be Northern Line platforms for Morden South built within the
depot, without attempting to link to the two lines.

U

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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:26:35 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant
wrote:

On 12 Apr, 15:07, "news outlook" wrote:
How did it come to be known by such a distinctive (and ominous) name?

Why does it have lawns on most of the platforms? I don't think I've
seen these anywhere else.

I assume its cheaper than Tarmac and there are never enough passengers
to need the space anyhow.. Such lawns were a feature of the old Epsom
Downs station which only saw crowds on one or two days per year.
eg:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/monoledue/1591795147/

Which raises two points - why no yellow lines and why position a
signal half-way along the platfomr?
--
Peter Lawrence