thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

thankfully no motorways in Islington otherwise they would install speed
bumps every 30metres!

Why is Islington council closing schools but yet able to spend
thousands/millions on speed bumps?

If you wonder down the side streets they have installed about 3 different
kinds of bumps depending on the class of people living in the area - first
the standard dump 3 piles of tarmac in the road, travel 30 metres you will
discover a lovely granite stone bump which has taken 2/3 weeks to construct
and finally the 'table top' speed bump.

Islington council are now installing speed bumps along Liverpool Road also
known to be the B515 - a main road no a rat run!!!!!

Anyone know the cost of installing the various bumps and what budget
Islington coucil is prepared to spend?

Also which London council has decided to get rid of speed bumps?

daveF

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"df" typed


Also which London council has decided to get rid of speed bumps?

Barnet is blessed with Brian Coleman, a very 'anti-hump' councillor.

I don't think they've all decided to get rid of the humps.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

In message , df
writes
Islington council are now installing speed bumps along Liverpool Road
also known to be the B515 - a main road no a rat run!!!!!

Well a car speeding hitting a child or other person is not a pleasant
sight. I can vouch for that. So how do you suggest councils slow down
traffic? Police man (or woman) with a speed gun and sniper rifle to blow
out their tyres if they are speeding?
--
CJG

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

Why is Islington council closing schools but yet able to spend
thousands/millions on speed bumps?

If you wonder down the side streets they have installed about 3 different
kinds of bumps depending on the class of people living in the area - first
the standard dump 3 piles of tarmac in the road, travel 30 metres you will
discover a lovely granite stone bump which has taken 2/3 weeks to construct
and finally the 'table top' speed bump.

Islington council are now installing speed bumps along Liverpool Road also
known to be the B515 - a main road no a rat run!!!!!

Anyone know the cost of installing the various bumps and what budget
Islington coucil is prepared to spend?

Also which London council has decided to get rid of speed bumps?

daveF

Liverpool Road is technically part of a 20mph zone, and such zone have
to be self-enforced with traffic calming. Why they made the speed
limit on that road 20mph I have no idea.

It is not really a rat-run but is used as a convenient alternative to
the A1 avoiding Highbury Corner (and is also actually straighter).

Incidentally, Camden Park Road is part of the A5200 yet has a 20mph
speed limit and speed humps, and that's an A-road not a B-road.

Traffic is also not allowed to turn left from Torriano Avenue (also
part of the A5200) into the primary route which is Camden Road (A503),
and instead is diverted down a parallel road with humps. (This can be
avoided using some side-streets).

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

In article , ks (CJG) wrote:

Well a car speeding hitting a child or other person is not a pleasant
sight. I can vouch for that. So how do you suggest councils slow down
traffic? Police man (or woman) with a speed gun and sniper rifle to
blow out their tyres if they are speeding?

I believe the man with a red flag walking in front used to be quite effective.

--
Peter Beale

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

Liverpool Road is technically part of a 20mph zone, and such zone have
to be self-enforced with traffic calming. Why they made the speed
limit on that road 20mph I have no idea.


Where does it say 20mph zone?

daveF

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

CJG wrote in message
...
In message , df
writes
Islington council are now installing speed bumps along Liverpool Road
also known to be the B515 - a main road no a rat run!!!!!

Well a car speeding hitting a child or other person is not a pleasant
sight. I can vouch for that. So how do you suggest councils slow down
traffic? Police man (or woman) with a speed gun and sniper rifle to blow
out their tyres if they are speeding?
--
CJG

What they have always done, never repair the roads or partly dig up the
roads :-)

It has been proven that speed bumps cost more lives than what they are
saving.

daveF

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

df wrote:
It has been proven that speed bumps cost more lives than what they are
saving.

Hmmm. I've read somewhere that speed bumps create more pollution because of
the slow-down/speed-up/slow-down/speed-up driving pattern that results, but
never that they cause any deaths.

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In message , "I@n"
writes
Hmmm. I've read somewhere that speed bumps create more pollution
because of the slow-down/speed-up/slow-down/speed-up driving pattern
that results, but never that they cause any deaths.

Before someone else gets in there. The reason some councils are removing
speed bumps is because emergency service vehicles (especially)
ambulances are being delayed trying to get over the speed bumps. And I
think infact patients have been injured even more going over speed
bumps.
And deaths have been proved to a result of speed bumps. But not in a way
you were probably thinking of.
--
CJG

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:29:15 +0100, "I@n" wrote:

Hmmm. I've read somewhere that speed bumps create more pollution because of
the slow-down/speed-up/slow-down/speed-up driving pattern that results, but
never that they cause any deaths.

There are a few in Milton Keynes (some on my estate, some in the
centre) where the speed bump is also a pedestrian crossing of a
footpath/cycleway, but is completely unmarked (other than the usual
speedbump markings). This often leads to pedestrians thinking a car
is going to stop and it does not - while, of course, the car driver
should be watching out and anticipating this, I can see how it could
lead to an accident if both parties were not paying full attention to
the situation.

The solution would either be to remove the speed bump and place it in
a more sensible location, or perhaps better turn it into a zebra
crossing to remove the potential confusion.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
is a valid email address, but is sent to /dev/null.
Try my first name at the above domain instead if you want to e-mail me.

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:29:15 +0100, "I@n" wrote:

Hmmm. I've read somewhere that speed bumps create more pollution because
of
the slow-down/speed-up/slow-down/speed-up driving pattern that results,
but
never that they cause any deaths.

There are a few in Milton Keynes (some on my estate, some in the
centre) where the speed bump is also a pedestrian crossing of a
footpath/cycleway, but is completely unmarked (other than the usual
speedbump markings). This often leads to pedestrians thinking a car
is going to stop and it does not - while, of course, the car driver
should be watching out and anticipating this, I can see how it could
lead to an accident if both parties were not paying full attention to
the situation.

Hmmm....given that the govt.'s own research suggests that speed is only the
primary factor in 6% of all road traffic accidents (some 80% being 'not
paying full attention') one wonders about the rationale for speed bumps and
the near hysterical anti-car campaigns at all.


Adrian

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:31:57 +0100 Adrian wrote:
}
} "Neil Williams" wrote in message
} ...
} On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:29:15 +0100, "I@n" wrote:
}
} Hmmm. I've read somewhere that speed bumps create more pollution because
} of
} the slow-down/speed-up/slow-down/speed-up driving pattern that results,
} but
} never that they cause any deaths.
}
} There are a few in Milton Keynes (some on my estate, some in the
} centre) where the speed bump is also a pedestrian crossing of a
} footpath/cycleway, but is completely unmarked (other than the usual
} speedbump markings). This often leads to pedestrians thinking a car
} is going to stop and it does not - while, of course, the car driver
} should be watching out and anticipating this, I can see how it could
} lead to an accident if both parties were not paying full attention to
} the situation.
}
} Hmmm....given that the govt.'s own research suggests that speed is only the
} primary factor in 6% of all road traffic accidents (some 80% being 'not
} paying full attention') one wonders about the rationale for speed bumps and
} the near hysterical anti-car campaigns at all.

It's soemthing to take their mind off the driving.

Matthew
--
Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar
ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho.
http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/

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"df" wrote in message ...

Liverpool Road is technically part of a 20mph zone, and such zone have
to be self-enforced with traffic calming. Why they made the speed
limit on that road 20mph I have no idea.


Where does it say 20mph zone?

daveF

Well it says so on the entrance from Holloway Road, plus I believe
from the entrance into Theberton Street from Upper Street and that
into Mackenzie Road off Caledonian Road, the 3 most common ways from
which I enter that road.

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

Hmmm. I've read somewhere that speed bumps create more pollution
because of the slow-down/speed-up/slow-down/speed-up driving pattern
that results, but never that they cause any deaths.

Before someone else gets in there. The reason some councils are removing
speed bumps is because emergency service vehicles (especially)
ambulances are being delayed trying to get over the speed bumps. And I
think infact patients have been injured even more going over speed
bumps.
And deaths have been proved to a result of speed bumps. But not in a way
you were probably thinking of.

Actually, one thing that sleeping policemen cause me to do is drive in
the middle of the road instead of the left hand side.

This is on the roads where there are 3 of them, and the one on the
left-hand side is obscured by parked vehicles, so I have to drive over
the middle one.

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

In article ,
(Robin May) wrote:

(nmtop40) wrote the following in:
om

Actually, one thing that sleeping policemen cause me to do is
drive in the middle of the road instead of the left hand side.

This is on the roads where there are 3 of them, and the one on the
left-hand side is obscured by parked vehicles, so I have to drive
over the middle one.

There's a road near me where the speed bumps (which are of the two
separate hump variety) are practically unnoticeable if you drive over
the middle of them between the two humps. As a result, everyone drives
over the middle of them (and therefore in the middle of the road) at
30mph.

Until a car is coming the other way, when they slow down, as intended.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

nmtop40 wrote in message
om...
"df" wrote in message
...

Liverpool Road is technically part of a 20mph zone, and such zone have
to be self-enforced with traffic calming. Why they made the speed
limit on that road 20mph I have no idea.


Where does it say 20mph zone?

daveF

Well it says so on the entrance from Holloway Road, plus I believe
from the entrance into Theberton Street from Upper Street and that
into Mackenzie Road off Caledonian Road, the 3 most common ways from
which I enter that road.

This must be a 'suggested' speed limit otherwise they would have to erected
speed limit signs in every entrance to Liverpool Road for people to obey the
permit speed limit.

daveF

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

Robin May wrote in message
...
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote the following in:


In article ,
(Robin May) wrote:

(nmtop40) wrote the following in:
om

Actually, one thing that sleeping policemen cause me to do is
drive in the middle of the road instead of the left hand side.

This is on the roads where there are 3 of them, and the one on
the left-hand side is obscured by parked vehicles, so I have to
drive over the middle one.

There's a road near me where the speed bumps (which are of the
two separate hump variety) are practically unnoticeable if you
drive over the middle of them between the two humps. As a result,
everyone drives over the middle of them (and therefore in the
middle of the road) at 30mph.

Until a car is coming the other way, when they slow down, as
intended.

Actually when a car is coming the other way the usual result is that
one car stays in the middle of the road while the other goes into their
side of the road to avoid the oncoming car. There is also the problem
that two sets of speed bumps are on corners with limited visibility.
This means that you'll often meet a car flying round the bend in the
middle of the road. Sound dangerous to you? It certainly looks it to
me.

--

If you decide to drive down the middle to avoid the speed bump peaks you are
more than likely to collide with an innocent car that is pulling out of a
side road and intends to travel in the opposite direction to you.

How would you explain to your insurance company that you were driving down
the middle of the road to avoid the bumps so you could maintain the maximum
speed.

daveF

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

"df" wrote the following in:


If you decide to drive down the middle to avoid the speed bump
peaks you are more than likely to collide with an innocent car
that is pulling out of a side road and intends to travel in the
opposite direction to you.

Me=innocent car at risk of collision.

How would you explain to your insurance company that you were
driving down the middle of the road to avoid the bumps so you
could maintain the maximum speed.

I don't know, it would be hard to explain something I wasn't doing.

--
message by Robin May, founder of International Boyism
"Would Inspector Sands please go to the Operations Room immediately."

Unofficially immune to hangovers.

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

This must be a 'suggested' speed limit otherwise they would have to erected
speed limit signs in every entrance to Liverpool Road for people to obey the
permit speed limit.

daveF

Which entrance to Liverpool Road does not have a sign?

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

There's a road near me where the speed bumps (which are of the two
separate hump variety) are practically unnoticeable if you drive over
the middle of them between the two humps. As a result, everyone drives
over the middle of them (and therefore in the middle of the road) at
30mph.

Longford Street / Drummond Street NW1 is like that.

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

nmtop40 wrote in message
om...
This must be a 'suggested' speed limit otherwise they would have to
erected
speed limit signs in every entrance to Liverpool Road for people to obey
the
permit speed limit.

daveF

Which entrance to Liverpool Road does not have a sign?

What is the road that connects Upper Street with Liverpool Road?

But you are right there is a sign from the Holloway Road entrance - how long
has it been there?

daveF

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

What is the road that connects Upper Street with Liverpool Road?

But you are right there is a sign from the Holloway Road entrance - how long
has it been there?

From Upper Street you can turn directly into Liverpool Road. I haven't
been through that side recently enough to check if there is a 20 Zone
sign there.

By law though, 20 mph zones have to be "self-enforced" through traffic
calming, so if you were stopped there driving down Liverpool Road at
say 27mph, you could probably contest it successfully in court.

thankfully no motorways in Islington!
 

nmtop40 wrote in message
om...
What is the road that connects Upper Street with Liverpool Road?

But you are right there is a sign from the Holloway Road entrance - how
long
has it been there?

From Upper Street you can turn directly into Liverpool Road. I haven't
been through that side recently enough to check if there is a 20 Zone
sign there.

By law though, 20 mph zones have to be "self-enforced" through traffic
calming, so if you were stopped there driving down Liverpool Road at
say 27mph, you could probably contest it successfully in court.

how?

daveF