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On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 3:04*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.


Rubbish. *Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.


At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.


I've been to New York. The subway there is no better when it's crowded.

You need to get out more.


You need to shut up more.

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On May 22, 3:40*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:
On May 21, 3:04*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:


Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.


Rubbish. *Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.


At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.


I've been to New York. The subway there is no better when it's crowded.


Point taken.

You need to get out more.


You need to shut up more.

Manners.
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On Thu, 22 May 2008, 1506 wrote:

On May 22, 3:40*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:
On May 21, 3:04*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:


Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. *Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.


I've been to New York. The subway there is no better when it's crowded.


Point taken.

You need to get out more.


You need to shut up more.


Manners.


Yes, sorry.

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On 22 May, 20:06, 1506 wrote:
On May 22, 3:40*am, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:


You need to get out more.


You need to shut up more.


Manners.


"You need to get out more" was rather rude too, old boy. We don't need
another Polson here.

Ian
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Richard J. wrote:
1506 wrote:
Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.


Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.


I suspect he means that you have to mix with oiks, and people of
excessive skin pigmentation.

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On May 22, 7:38 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
1506 wrote:
Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.


Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.


I suspect he means that you have to mix with oiks, and people of
excessive skin pigmentation.


Is it an obsession with some people that they must accuse or imply
racism in someone no matter what the comment? Is there some quota that
has to be fullfilled by all paid up members of the right-on losers
club?

B2003

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Boltar wrote:
On May 22, 7:38 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
1506 wrote:
Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.
Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

I suspect he means that you have to mix with oiks, and people of
excessive skin pigmentation.


Is it an obsession with some people that they must accuse or imply
racism in someone no matter what the comment? Is there some quota that
has to be fullfilled by all paid up members of the right-on losers
club?

B2003

F!"£$% if I know: I'll check with the membership secretary. No, wait,
he's in hospital.

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1506 wrote:
On May 21, 10:19 am, The Real Doctor
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On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building society
account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?

Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian


Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

Dumb UK airport rules. One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

It would be very easy for another European City to replace London as
the US offshore City of choice. It would only take the right tax
regime, good accommodations and good transportation. Although
availability of English would also help.

When, Frankfort, or wherever, takes the initiative London will lose
jobs.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


Ok, but you'll first have to learn German and then Rhineland German.
Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.

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On May 22, 7:36 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Ok, but you'll first have to learn German and then Rhineland German.


Whats the difference?

Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.


Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

B2003


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On May 22, 11:13 am, Boltar wrote:
Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.


Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.


Yes, but if you're a Yank expat living in Germany for two years you
might occasionally want to chat to people who aren't bankers. Even if
it's just your cleaner and the people in the local shop...

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