On Jun 1, 7:43 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 31 May, 20:08, D7666 wrote:

On May 31, 8:46 am, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

How about just rebuiding Euston Square in front of Euston and making
it into a proper interchange.

If I'm getting my bearings right, the entrance is all that would need
rebuilding - the other end of the platforms are damn near Euston
station compared with where the entrance currently is.

Yep - its a blindingly obvious thing to do.

But not perhaps as blindingly simple as one might like it to be!

There were some recent murmurs of a significant redevelopment at
Euston, replete with an air rights development in place of the parcel
deck, and I'm sure I recall some vague notion that this would also
entail linking up Euston Square with Euston.

In the meantime Euston Square is a useful is a little secret for those
in the know, far from the madding crowd.

Maybe Euston Sq could have two entrances, the existing one renamed
Warren Street and a new Eastern one direct to Euston concourse?

wrote:

Maybe Euston Sq could have two entrances, the existing one renamed
Warren Street and a new Eastern one direct to Euston concourse?

Er, why have 2 names for the station? Just call it Euston, and have
it connected to the existing LUL station in some way (preferably
inside the barriers) at the Euston end and also have an exit onto the
Euston Road.

There is a bit of a rebuild going on at Euston[1] at the moment to
provide lifts to the LUL concourse (presumably with a later plan for
some to the platforms, else that's a bit pointless) - could something
not be done as part of that work, I wonder?

[1] Among other things this is to provide retail space off the
concourse so the shops in the middle of it can be removed to create
more circulating space. Finally!

Neil

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Neil Williams wrote:

wrote:

Maybe Euston Sq could have two entrances, the existing one renamed
Warren Street and a new Eastern one direct to Euston concourse?

Er, why have 2 names for the station? Just call it Euston, and have
it connected to the existing LUL station in some way (preferably
inside the barriers) at the Euston end and also have an exit onto the
Euston Road.

There is a bit of a rebuild going on at Euston[1] at the moment to
provide lifts to the LUL concourse (presumably with a later plan for
some to the platforms, else that's a bit pointless)

Where are these lifts going in? I've been through Euston quite a bit
lately, but was obviously too asleep to notice.

- could something not be done as part of that work, I wonder?

The subterranean space between the existing station and the Circle line
platforms is not exactly uncluttered, though - there are the foundations
of the two office blocks in front of the station slap bang in the way, and
an extensive underground car-park and taxi rank. You can get to the
car-park if you turn left instead of right at the bottom of the escalator
down to the tube station booking hall.

Thinking about it, the car-park must be underneath the tower blocks. That
means you could convert some of that space into a passageway to get as far
as Euston Square itself (the grassy bit along Euston Road), from where i
assume construction would be quite easy. You'd want to plonk another
entrance in there, so people could go from the corner of Gordon Street and
Euston Road to the Circle platform. The tunnel would, with the present
layout, be outside the gateline a la the Khyber Pass of yore - it could
perhaps similarly double as a pedestrian subway.

Would that cut off road access to the underground bits, though? At what
level is that? I have a vague idea that the floor level of the taxi rank
is higher than of the LU booking hall, so a passageway could go underneath
it. There is definitely car-park at that level, though, and i don't know
where the access to that is. Loss of some or all car-park would not be a
disaster, though; i can't think of any good reason for people to be
parking at Euston anyway.

How does the level of the Euston booking hall compare to the Circle
platforms, though? You'd need to build a new bridge over the platforms to
terminate this new passageway, which would thus be at the same height as
the existing Euston Square booking hall (such as it is). Would that be at
the same level as the Euston hall, or higher?

Also, exactly how far east do the Circle platforms go? The westernmost
point of the existing station is, i reckon, about level with the eastern
edge of the Network Rail tower block.

Perhaps when we have our utl meet, we can all pop down there and take some
measurements. It'd be interesting to see how much we could get before the
anti-terror squad turned up and shot us all.

tom

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