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Although Eastfields didn't open this morning as planned, TFL report that
it opened at 16:00 today. For some reason, the BBC thought it wouldn't open until later this week: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7430762.stm -- Paul Terry |
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message ... Although Eastfields didn't open this morning as planned, TFL report that it opened at 16:00 today. For some reason, the BBC thought it wouldn't open until later this week: They probably went by the local council's announcement on Friday that a 'new date' would be confirmed later? Paul S |
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In message , at 16:20:11 on Mon, 2
Jun 2008, Paul Terry remarked: Although Eastfields didn't open this morning as planned, TFL report that it opened at 16:00 today. For some reason, the BBC thought it wouldn't open until later this week: At the time of writing (9am this morning) 4pm today *is* "later in the week". -- Roland Perry |
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[x-posted to uk.railway] On 2 Jun, 16:20, Paul Terry wrote: Although Eastfields didn't open this morning as planned, TFL report that it opened at 16:00 today. For some reason, the BBC thought it wouldn't open until later this week: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7430762.stm The LDB would certainly seem to indicate it has indeed opened now: http://www.southernrailway.com/news....66&u=index.php For the record, Southern had this to say - it was evidently written before 4pm... http://www.southernrailway.com/news.php?id=166 quote Mitcham Eastfields station to open today - LATEST June 2nd 2008 The new station at Mitcham Eastfields is now ready to open for passenger service. The first train to call at the station will be the 16:09 service to Epsom. This service is from London Victoria, and for those who are interested in being on the first train to call, the stop immediately before Mitcham Eastfelds is Balham (16:02). The first train to stop at Mitcham Eastfields on its way into London will be the 16:11. /quote So, was anyone on the first train to stop there?! I wonder what the delay was in opening the station - maybe it was just to keep 'first train enthusiasts' on their toes! (Or maybe just allow them a lie-in instead of a crack of dawn start...) |
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On 2 Jun, 17:51, Mizter T wrote:
I wonder what the delay was in opening the station - maybe it was just to keep 'first train enthusiasts' on their toes! (Or maybe just allow them a lie-in instead of a crack of dawn start...) I went down there last night for a look just as the builders were packing up (I wasn't expecting it to open as early as today). The only things amiss were a few noticeboards hadn't been put up and one segment of the down platform's canopy was missing. The official line was that regulatory safety checks hadn't been done. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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Mizter T wrote:
[originally posted to uk.transport.london] [x-posted to uk.railway] On 2 Jun, 16:20, Paul Terry wrote: Although Eastfields didn't open this morning as planned, TFL report that it opened at 16:00 today. For some reason, the BBC thought it wouldn't open until later this week: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7430762.stm The LDB would certainly seem to indicate it has indeed opened now: http://www.southernrailway.com/news....66&u=index.php For the record, Southern had this to say - it was evidently written before 4pm... http://www.southernrailway.com/news.php?id=166 quote Mitcham Eastfields station to open today - LATEST June 2nd 2008 The new station at Mitcham Eastfields is now ready to open for passenger service. The first train to call at the station will be the 16:09 service to Epsom. This service is from London Victoria, and for those who are interested in being on the first train to call, the stop immediately before Mitcham Eastfelds is Balham (16:02). The first train to stop at Mitcham Eastfields on its way into London will be the 16:11. /quote So, was anyone on the first train to stop there?! I wonder what the delay was in opening the station - maybe it was just to keep 'first train enthusiasts' on their toes! (Or maybe just allow them a lie-in instead of a crack of dawn start...) My train tonight, 18:31 London Bridge to Epsom had Eastfields on its internal display, but I'm afraid I missed the driver's announcement about whether or not the train was actually stopping there tonight. Martin J. |
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On 2 Jun, 18:27, Mr Thant wrote: On 2 Jun, 17:51, Mizter T wrote: I wonder what the delay was in opening the station - maybe it was just to keep 'first train enthusiasts' on their toes! (Or maybe just allow them a lie-in instead of a crack of dawn start...) I went down there last night for a look just as the builders were packing up (I wasn't expecting it to open as early as today). The only things amiss were a few noticeboards hadn't been put up and one segment of the down platform's canopy was missing. The official line was that regulatory safety checks hadn't been done. HMRI (if it was the HMRI) evidently don't do sunday inspections then! When I passed by late on Friday I was half-hoping I might be able to get a ticket machine to spew out the first ever Mitcham Eastfields ticket - alas no, the place was still crawling with workmen! Can anyone say exactly how long this station took to be built - i.e. from the start the proper construction phase? It's certainly been fairly rapid - well under a year. And is there anywhere else in Greater London which is similarly deserving of a brand new railway station on an existing line? I suppose under that criteria my vote would go for a Brixton station on the South London Line (which will hopefully play host to ELLX trains to & from Clapham Jn in years to come) - but that would be an incredibly difficult and expensive station to build, unlike Eastfield's quick-and-cheapish new modular station. Is there anywhere else deserving that's like Eastfields in London - somewhere where the line is running more or less flat on the ground, not high up on an embankment or viaduct or low in a cutting or even in a tunnel - i.e. any *realistic* suggestions? |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 2 Jun, 18:27, Mr Thant wrote: On 2 Jun, 17:51, Mizter T wrote: I wonder what the delay was in opening the station - maybe it was just to keep 'first train enthusiasts' on their toes! (Or maybe just allow them a lie-in instead of a crack of dawn start...) I went down there last night for a look just as the builders were packing up (I wasn't expecting it to open as early as today). The only things amiss were a few noticeboards hadn't been put up and one segment of the down platform's canopy was missing. The official line was that regulatory safety checks hadn't been done. HMRI (if it was the HMRI) evidently don't do sunday inspections then! When I passed by late on Friday I was half-hoping I might be able to get a ticket machine to spew out the first ever Mitcham Eastfields ticket - alas no, the place was still crawling with workmen! Can anyone say exactly how long this station took to be built - i.e. from the start the proper construction phase? It's certainly been fairly rapid - well under a year. And is there anywhere else in Greater London which is similarly deserving of a brand new railway station on an existing line? I suppose under that criteria my vote would go for a Brixton station on the South London Line (which will hopefully play host to ELLX trains to & from Clapham Jn in years to come) - but that would be an incredibly difficult and expensive station to build, unlike Eastfield's quick-and-cheapish new modular station. Is there anywhere else deserving that's like Eastfields in London - somewhere where the line is running more or less flat on the ground, not high up on an embankment or viaduct or low in a cutting or even in a tunnel - i.e. any *realistic* suggestions? When I was a Guard learning the 'road' in 1980 I was told Eastfields station would be built and opening soon. |
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, at 11:58:08 on Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Mizter T remarked: Can anyone say exactly how long this station took to be built - i.e. from the start the proper construction phase? It's certainly been fairly rapid - well under a year. It would be interesting to know. East Midlands Parkeway, which is supposed to be open in December, is currently just a load of mud. It may have some foundations, or it may not, it's difficult to see, through the mud. -- Roland Perry |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote: And is there anywhere else in Greater London which is similarly deserving of a brand new railway station on an existing line? I suppose under that criteria my vote would go for a Brixton station on the South London Line (which will hopefully play host to ELLX trains to & from Clapham Jn in years to come) - but that would be an incredibly difficult and expensive station to build, unlike Eastfield's quick-and-cheapish new modular station. Is there anywhere else deserving that's like Eastfields in London - somewhere where the line is running more or less flat on the ground, not high up on an embankment or viaduct or low in a cutting or even in a tunnel - i.e. any *realistic* suggestions? Oh you've wrecked the criteria! I was going to suggest St Ann's Road / Seven Sisters Road on the GOBLIN as well as Forest Road, Winchester Road and Chingford Hatch on the Chingford - Liverpool St line. These extra stations would hugely increase the catchment areas for these lines even though I recognise they would slow overall journey times. If Network Rail were feeling suitably insane they could build an interchange station at Ferry Lane Estate where the GOBLIN cross the Lea Valley line via Tottenham Hale. Obviously not every Lea Valley train could stop as it's reduce line capacity but the locals to Hertford East could possibly provide a half decent service. Unfortunately they're all high up or down in dips! -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T wrote: And is there anywhere else in Greater London which is similarly deserving of a brand new railway station on an existing line? I suppose under that criteria my vote would go for a Brixton station on the South London Line (which will hopefully play host to ELLX trains to & from Clapham Jn in years to come) - but that would be an incredibly difficult and expensive station to build, unlike Eastfield's quick-and-cheapish new modular station. Is there anywhere else deserving that's like Eastfields in London - somewhere where the line is running more or less flat on the ground, not high up on an embankment or viaduct or low in a cutting or even in a tunnel - i.e. any *realistic* suggestions? Oh you've wrecked the criteria! I was going to suggest St Ann's Road / Seven Sisters Road on the GOBLIN as well as Forest Road, Winchester Road and Chingford Hatch on the Chingford - Liverpool St line. These extra stations would hugely increase the catchment areas for these lines even though I recognise they would slow overall journey times. If Network Rail were feeling suitably insane they could build an interchange station at Ferry Lane Estate where the GOBLIN cross the Lea Valley line via Tottenham Hale. Obviously not every Lea Valley train could stop as it's reduce line capacity but the locals to Hertford East could possibly provide a half decent service. Unfortunately they're all high up or down in dips! There is an interesting tale in the Alan Williams column in the current Modern Railways. Apparently the NR plan for the rebuild of Effingham Junction with one of these modular stations, supposedly using permitted development rights, failed to gain the local planner's agreement down in rural Surrey. So the portakabins have disappeared from the car park, and the project has been cancelled. Back to the above 'brand new' part of the above discussion, perhaps if they have a modular metal clad footbridge and some prefab buildings earmarked waiting in a warehouse somewhere, they're actually far more likely to gain acceptance in a new build urban setting than a 150 yr old rural setting? Paul S |
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On Jun 2, 9:00 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
If Network Rail were feeling suitably insane they could build an interchange station at Ferry Lane Estate where the GOBLIN cross the Lea Valley line via Tottenham Hale. Obviously not every Lea Valley train could stop as it's reduce line capacity but the locals to Hertford East could possibly provide a half decent service. Why didn't they think of that when they were building the Victoria line? Tim |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:29:14 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote: There is an interesting tale in the Alan Williams column in the current Modern Railways. Apparently the NR plan for the rebuild of Effingham Junction with one of these modular stations, supposedly using permitted development rights, failed to gain the local planner's agreement down in rural Surrey. So the portakabins have disappeared from the car park, and the project has been cancelled. Back to the above 'brand new' part of the above discussion, perhaps if they have a modular metal clad footbridge and some prefab buildings earmarked waiting in a warehouse somewhere, they're actually far more likely to gain acceptance in a new build urban setting than a 150 yr old rural setting? Well I like the Alan Williams column in MR so it's usually the third thing I read after the Editorial column and Uncle Roger. I think the Effingham tale illustrates the lack of competence in NR (the planning problems), the arrogance (one size fits all and you'll get it eventually) and the lack of thought (one design solution). I particularly liked the comment about how can maintenance costs be reduced when no money has spent on the station in years. I think the basic idea of modular stations is good if it saves money but not when it delivers facilities that are not necessary (lifts compared to ramps for mobility access), increase whole life costs for NR *and* the operator and which are simply out of scale / sympathy. If TPE can win awards for sympathetic station refurbishment and repair why on earth can't NR take a similar cost effective approach at Effingham Junction? I expect the Eff Junc story to run and run because NR have managed to rouse a fair proportion of the local populace as well as a well known critic and other relevant organisations. I'd call it an own goal and I expect they'll end up having to compromise. -- Paul C |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote I think the basic idea of modular stations is good if it saves money but not when it delivers facilities that are not necessary (lifts compared to ramps for mobility access), increase whole life costs for NR *and* the operator and which are simply out of scale / sympathy. It's too early to pass judgment on the new design of modular stations, with Mitcham Eastfields the only example to date. But they will have to be much better than a previous attempt, the dreaded CLASP design. Peter |
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On 2 Jun, 21:27, "Peter Masson" wrote:
It's too early to pass judgment on the new design of modular stations, with Mitcham Eastfields the only example to date. But they will have to be much better than a previous attempt, the dreaded CLASP design. I think you can pass judgment now! Greenhithe is being rebuilt with the kit of parts - from what I can see it is virtually identical to Eastfields. Reminds me of the original DLR station concept, in as much as you rearrange and join the parts to fit the site, but around 90% of the construction is the same at any site. I think the modular station parts are more attractive than CLASP, but will be just as ubiquitous. |
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I noticed today - and I'm sure it was not like this yesterday - that FCC PIS three line displays north of the Thames had two lines of text something like: [ Mitcham Eastfields station ] [ .................................. ] [ Station will open during t ] And that was it. It was a scrolling and just end in the 't'. So Luton, Harpenden, West hampstead are held in suspense over when 't' day is. -- Nick |
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On Jun 3, 7:28*am, D7666 wrote:
Mitcham Eastfields I noticed today - and I'm sure it was not like this yesterday - that FCC PIS three line displays north of the Thames had two lines of text something like: [ Mitcham Eastfields station ] [ .................................. ] [ Station will open during t ] And that was it. It was a scrolling and just end in the 't'. So Luton, Harpenden, West hampstead are held in suspense over when 't' day is. This would be the dreadful CIS system that isn't properly synchronised with departures, much like that on the West London Line? I assume "...............................8" means the train is supposed to be formed of 8 coaches. The last time I was at Farringdon I saw this, but a 4 eventually rolled it. No announcement. Cue much swearing and running along platform. This isn't just travel. This is First transforming travel. Let us know if FCC have updated the system today... |
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On 3 Jun, 07:28, D7666 wrote:
And that was it. It was a scrolling and just end in the 't'. So Luton, Harpenden, West hampstead are held in suspense over when 't' day is. Probably "today" or Tuesday. They weren't calling yesterday as the platform cameras weren't working properly. I presume Southern had guards on duty. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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On 2 Jun, 19:58, Mizter T wrote:
On 2 Jun, 18:27, Mr Thant wrote: On 2 Jun, 17:51, Mizter T wrote: I wonder what the delay was in opening the station - maybe it was just to keep 'first train enthusiasts' on their toes! (Or maybe just allow them a lie-in instead of a crack of dawn start...) I went down there last night for a look just as the builders were packing up (I wasn't expecting it to open as early as today). The only things amiss were a few noticeboards hadn't been put up and one segment of the down platform's canopy was missing. The official line was that regulatory safety checks hadn't been done. HMRI (if it was the HMRI) evidently don't do sunday inspections then! When I passed by late on Friday I was half-hoping I might be able to get a ticket machine to spew out the first ever Mitcham Eastfields ticket - alas no, the place was still crawling with workmen! Can anyone say exactly how long this station took to be built - i.e. from the start the proper construction phase? It's certainly been fairly rapid - well under a year. And is there anywhere else in Greater London which is similarly deserving of a brand new railway station on an existing line? I suppose under that criteria my vote would go for a Brixton station on the South London Line (which will hopefully play host to ELLX trains to & from Clapham Jn in years to come) - but that would be an incredibly difficult and expensive station to build, unlike Eastfield's quick-and-cheapish new modular station. Is there anywhere else deserving that's like Eastfields in London - somewhere where the line is running more or less flat on the ground, not high up on an embankment or viaduct or low in a cutting or even in a tunnel - i.e. any *realistic* suggestions? Stations at Walworth and Camberwell on the line into Blackfriars would seem the obvious candidates. Re-instating Junction Road/Tuffnel Park on the GOBLIN. Barking Reach, on the Dagenham Dock line. I think there's also a case for a West Romford station between Romford and Chadwell Heath, probably on Jutsums Lane. But that really is getting into the realm of fantasy. Jonn |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:58:08 on Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Mizter T remarked: Can anyone say exactly how long this station took to be built - i.e. from the start the proper construction phase? It's certainly been fairly rapid - well under a year. It would be interesting to know. East Midlands Parkeway, which is supposed to be open in December, is currently just a load of mud. It may have some foundations, or it may not, it's difficult to see, through the mud. Mr Thant's blog reckons about 5 months for the build phase? http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ulse-hill.html Paul |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T wrote: And is there anywhere else in Greater London which is similarly deserving of a brand new railway station on an existing line? I suppose under that criteria my vote would go for a Brixton station on the South London Line (which will hopefully play host to ELLX trains to & from Clapham Jn in years to come) - but that would be an incredibly difficult and expensive station to build, unlike Eastfield's quick-and-cheapish new modular station. Is there anywhere else deserving that's like Eastfields in London - somewhere where the line is running more or less flat on the ground, not high up on an embankment or viaduct or low in a cutting or even in a tunnel - i.e. any *realistic* suggestions? Oh you've wrecked the criteria! I was going to suggest St Ann's Road / Seven Sisters Road on the GOBLIN What, all of 2000 feet from South Tottenham station? as well as Forest Road, Winchester Road and Chingford Hatch on the Chingford - Liverpool St line. These extra stations would hugely increase the catchment areas for these lines even though I recognise they would slow overall journey times. Chingford is currently eight stops from Liverpool Street (assuming that trains skip Cambridge Heath and London Fields, which i think they still do). Your stops would make it eleven. By comparison, Buckhurst Hill, the station in the same zone on the Central line, is nine stops from Liverpool Street, and Becontree, the first station in that zone on the District, is 13. Eleven seems alright really. If Network Rail were feeling suitably insane they could build an interchange station at Ferry Lane Estate where the GOBLIN cross the Lea Valley line via Tottenham Hale. Obviously not every Lea Valley train could stop as it's reduce line capacity but the locals to Hertford East could possibly provide a half decent service. Everyone's suggestions so far: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...d 28a8d72cb01 Including one from me! tom -- 102 FX 6 (goblins) |
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:51:30 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T wrote: And is there anywhere else in Greater London which is similarly deserving of a brand new railway station on an existing line? I suppose under that criteria my vote would go for a Brixton station on the South London Line (which will hopefully play host to ELLX trains to & from Clapham Jn in years to come) - but that would be an incredibly difficult and expensive station to build, unlike Eastfield's quick-and-cheapish new modular station. Is there anywhere else deserving that's like Eastfields in London - somewhere where the line is running more or less flat on the ground, not high up on an embankment or viaduct or low in a cutting or even in a tunnel - i.e. any *realistic* suggestions? Oh you've wrecked the criteria! I was going to suggest St Ann's Road / Seven Sisters Road on the GOBLIN What, all of 2000 feet from South Tottenham station? Well yes. I'm sure a station used to exist here anyway and it's a big catchment area which has no direct link to South Tottenham by bus. Yes you can walk from the end of Seven Sisters Road but it just strikes me as a very sensible location right at a crossroads with several frequent bus services. as well as Forest Road, Winchester Road and Chingford Hatch on the Chingford - Liverpool St line. These extra stations would hugely increase the catchment areas for these lines even though I recognise they would slow overall journey times. Chingford is currently eight stops from Liverpool Street (assuming that trains skip Cambridge Heath and London Fields, which i think they still do). Your stops would make it eleven. By comparison, Buckhurst Hill, the station in the same zone on the Central line, is nine stops from Liverpool Street, and Becontree, the first station in that zone on the District, is 13. Eleven seems alright really. An interesting way of looking at it. Do people really count the number of stops as some sort of quality measure of their rail journey or commute? I'm very much of the view that there are gaping holes on the Chingford Line in terms of providing a convenient easy to use rail service. Trains rattle back and forth every 15 mins conveniently not serving large areas which are reliant on bus services that are often packed to capacity. That just seems a nonsense to me when rail could easily provide sufficient capacity for both local short journeys, railheading to Walthamstow for the tube (and Overground if they ever build a link to Queens Rd) as well as to Liverpool St for the traditional commute. I'd prefer to convert it to tram style operation to give better acceleration / journey times and I'd also build the Coppermill Lane curve tomorrow and provide a service to Stratford as a matter of urgency and reopen Lea Bridge Station. All of this would give Waltham Forest a good, frequent local rail service and allow some trimming of the bus network as people transfer to rail. The only bit I struggle with is maintaining sufficient capacity with a tram style vehicle for the commuter peaks into Liverpool St - perhaps the Karlsruhe model offers some options? Everyone's suggestions so far: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...d 28a8d72cb01 Including one from me! And you comment about me suggesting St Ann's Rd!?!?! -- Paul C |
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On 3 Jun, 18:27, "Paul Scott" wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:58:08 on Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Mizter T remarked: Can anyone say exactly how long this station took to be built - i.e. from the start the proper construction phase? It's certainly been fairly rapid - well under a year. It would be interesting to know. East Midlands Parkway, which is supposed to be open in December, is currently just a load of mud. It may have some foundations, or it may not, it's difficult to see, through the mud. Mr Thant's blog reckons about 5 months for the build phase? http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...-from-tulse-hi... OK, let's have a bash at this. An August '07 press release from LB Merton states that the council's "Planning Applications Committee [...] agreed the application [for Eastfields station] on 22 August" http://tinyurl.com/5fy249 In August Local councillor Martin Whelton said "work has commenced on the station already" on the comments on this blog entry... http://whelton.blogspot.com/2007/08/...head-from.html It would seem that this was preliminary work as on the 5th of October a uk.railway contributor posts that he noticed "a lot of clearance work going on" when driving past recently: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....ff2c98ee22755/ In November Councillor Whelton passes on information from a Transport Briefing article on his blog... http://whelton.blogspot.com/2007/11/...struction.html ....which includes this paragraph: "Civil engineering firm Dean Dyball is close to completing preliminary works for the new Eastfields station near Mitcham in the London borough of Merton. The station kit - which includes platform and canopy modules - will then be assembled on site to allow the station to open early in the New Year." The predicted opening date was obviously a bit out! Mr Thant picks up the story at the end of December (scroll down to the bottom for the first post about Eastfields): http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...bel/Eastfields An early January press release from LB Merton... http://tinyurl.com/6zv8bq ....states that "progress continues" on the new station before going on to say that "The 170m (eight coaches) long platforms were constructed in the traditional way, but the station building has been constructed off-site and is being lifted into place in ready-constructed sections." Mr Thant's photos from the end of December do show the platforms were partially in existence by this time, but they weren't yet finished (they weren't long enough apart from anything else!). So the 'build phase' would appear to have begun sometime in November or December and hence took something like 6 or 7 months. Preliminary works had apparently already started in late August but were definitely up and running by early October. |
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On 3 Jun, 19:25, Tom Anderson wrote:
Ah, now i think what needs doing here is an entirely new bit of line building, from Dagenham Dock, via what will be the Thames Gateway development area and Canning Town, into the City. It could perhaps be a more sensible route for the Docklands branch of Crossrail - after Isle of Dogs, i'd go Canning Town, City Airport, Gallions Reach, Creekmouth, Barking Reach, Dagenham Dock, and on to Grays. You could maybe build this as a branch of the DLR. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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Paul Corfield wrote: Oh you've wrecked the criteria! I was going to suggest St Ann's Road / Seven Sisters Road on the GOBLIN What, all of 2000 feet from South Tottenham station? Well yes. I'm sure a station used to exist here anyway and it's a big catchment area which has no direct link to South Tottenham by bus. Yes you can walk from the end of Seven Sisters Road but it just strikes me as a very sensible location right at a crossroads with several frequent bus services. There was a station at St Ann's Road from October 2nd 1882 to August 9th 1942. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband www.davidhwild.me.uk |
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On Jun 3, 8:18 am, EE507 wrote:
This would be the dreadful CIS system Yep ... .... the rest of your paragraph is superfluous ... its just dreadful (and not in the crankworthy sense). I assume "...............................8" means the train is Indeed. Let us know if FCC have updated the system today... ROFLOL. It took them 3 months to get the two side by side summary screens above the barrier line to not show the same list of trains ... for those unfamiliar its two side by side in order to provide enough area for a the list of trains ... for weeks and weeks we had 2 screens with identical information of not enough lines to even show the next train on 5 different platforms (because of the need to display buses from outside). On the platforms the rectangular TV-type flat sumarry screens show different predictions to the individual platform indicators - usually adrift by 1 minute. Even though a delay may increase or decrease, they still show 1 minute apart. Mostly. When I heard First had won the TL franchise I was dreading it based on reports of certain other group TOCs. But in general they've been OK, nothing to rave about but little to rant about either. The PIS is the exception that proves the rule. Crap hardware, crap installation, and currently crap information. -- Nick |
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"Mr Thant" wrote in message ... On 3 Jun, 19:25, Tom Anderson wrote: Ah, now i think what needs doing here is an entirely new bit of line building, from Dagenham Dock, via what will be the Thames Gateway development area and Canning Town, into the City. It could perhaps be a more sensible route for the Docklands branch of Crossrail - after Isle of Dogs, i'd go Canning Town, City Airport, Gallions Reach, Creekmouth, Barking Reach, Dagenham Dock, and on to Grays. You could maybe build this as a branch of the DLR. DLR are applying, under Transport & Works Act, for powers to build a line from Gallions via the Barking Riverside Development Area to Dagenham Dock. http://developments.dlr.co.uk/pdf/ex...ham%20dock.pdf Peter |
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Mr Thant wrote:
On 3 Jun, 19:25, Tom Anderson wrote: Ah, now i think what needs doing here is an entirely new bit of line building, from Dagenham Dock, via what will be the Thames Gateway development area and Canning Town, into the City. It could perhaps be a more sensible route for the Docklands branch of Crossrail - after Isle of Dogs, i'd go Canning Town, City Airport, Gallions Reach, Creekmouth, Barking Reach, Dagenham Dock, and on to Grays. You could maybe build this as a branch of the DLR. Blimey, i mean, i've got quite a bit of meccano, but that's a bit of a big job even for me. tom -- For me, thats just logic. OTOH, Spock went bananas several times using logic. -- Pete, mfw |
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Peter Masson wrote:
"Mr Thant" wrote in message ... On 3 Jun, 19:25, Tom Anderson wrote: Ah, now i think what needs doing here is an entirely new bit of line building, from Dagenham Dock, via what will be the Thames Gateway development area and Canning Town, into the City. It could perhaps be a more sensible route for the Docklands branch of Crossrail - after Isle of Dogs, i'd go Canning Town, City Airport, Gallions Reach, Creekmouth, Barking Reach, Dagenham Dock, and on to Grays. You could maybe build this as a branch of the DLR. DLR are applying, under Transport & Works Act, for powers to build a line from Gallions via the Barking Riverside Development Area to Dagenham Dock. Those route-stealing *******S! That was MY hare-brained scheme! http://developments.dlr.co.uk/pdf/ex...ham%20dock.pdf Okay, so they're going south of where i would have. I assume there are good engineering reasons for this, because it puts the stations in less useful locations. I really wish this wasn't going to be a DLR scheme, though. Surely it's now painfully obvious that the DLR, while a wonderful local service and a crucial step in getting Docklands going in the first place, is just not up to the job of moving huge numbers of commuters? Making the DLR the public transport backbone of London's flagship development area is planning to fail. tom -- For me, thats just logic. OTOH, Spock went bananas several times using logic. -- Pete, mfw |
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TimB wrote:
On Jun 2, 9:00 pm, Paul Corfield wrote: If Network Rail were feeling suitably insane they could build an interchange station at Ferry Lane Estate where the GOBLIN cross the Lea Valley line via Tottenham Hale. Obviously not every Lea Valley train could stop as it's reduce line capacity but the locals to Hertford East could possibly provide a half decent service. Why didn't they think of that when they were building the Victoria line? At the time the Goblin was probably earmarked for closure, like the North London Line. |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
Oh you've wrecked the criteria! I was going to suggest St Ann's Road / Seven Sisters Road on the GOBLIN as well as Forest Road, Winchester Road and Chingford Hatch on the Chingford - Liverpool St line. These extra stations would hugely increase the catchment areas for these lines even though I recognise they would slow overall journey times. You could decrease journey times to Chingford by builiding a new terminus on the south side of Kings Road. This new station would have a catchment area which was 100% houses, whereas the current station's catchment area is 70% trees. You could also make a fortune by building houses on the line north of Kings Road. If Network Rail were feeling suitably insane they could build an interchange station at Ferry Lane Estate where the GOBLIN cross the Lea Valley line via Tottenham Hale. Obviously not every Lea Valley train could stop as it's reduce line capacity but the locals to Hertford East could possibly provide a half decent service. Since the Goblin largely parallels the Victoria Line, with which the line interchanges at Tottenham Hale, I don't see this one stacking up. A station at Pickett's Lock was proposed for a while in connection with the 2005 World Athletics Championships, but it would also be the nearest station for a fair number of houses. An Enfield Highway station on Carterhatch Lane. Station ideas which have been bounced around by official bodies include Wingletye Lane Little Ilford Ventnor Road, Sutton Brent Cross Thameslink "Great West Road" between Kew Bridge and Brentford Mitre Bridge, North Pole, Stamford Bridge (Fulham Road), and Battersea High Street on the WLL Old Oak on the NLL |
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