"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:05:48
on Sun, 6 Jul 2008, dB remarked:
I do live in London and use public transport every day. It's considerably
better than the public transport elsewhere in this country.

That's a fairly bold assertion. Having experienced both at close quarters,
I think the public transport in Nottingham is at least as good. And having
been many places in the World, there are plenty where public transport is
cheaper and cleaner than in London.
--
Roland Perry

A generalisation, yes. As always there are exceptions and Nottingham has
always had fairly good bus services. That's not true of some other large
cities though. If I had to live without a car, of all the places I've lived
in, London would be the easiest place to do it (followed by Nottingham). I
agree about the cleanliness, although to be fair that's not just a public
transport issue.

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:24:15 +0100, "dB" wrote
this gibberish:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:05:48
on Sun, 6 Jul 2008, dB remarked:
I do live in London and use public transport every day. It's considerably
better than the public transport elsewhere in this country.

That's a fairly bold assertion. Having experienced both at close quarters,
I think the public transport in Nottingham is at least as good. And having
been many places in the World, there are plenty where public transport is
cheaper and cleaner than in London.
--
Roland Perry

A generalisation, yes. As always there are exceptions and Nottingham has
always had fairly good bus services. That's not true of some other large
cities though. If I had to live without a car, of all the places I've lived
in, London would be the easiest place to do it (followed by Nottingham). I
agree about the cleanliness, although to be fair that's not just a public
transport issue.

Personally I've lived in Plymouth, York, Edinburgh, Newcastle and now
London and this is the only place I've been happy to not have a car so
I'm inclined to agree.
yes it could be better on oh so many ways.
yes it is already pretty good.
--
Mark Varley
www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
London, England.

On Jul 7, 12:14*am, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:24:15 +0100, "dB" wrote
this gibberish:







"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:05:48
on Sun, 6 Jul 2008, dB remarked:
I do live in London and use public transport every day. It's considerably
better than the public transport elsewhere in this country.

That's a fairly bold assertion. Having experienced both at close quarters,
I think the public transport in Nottingham is at least as good. And having
been many places in the World, there are plenty where public transport is
cheaper and cleaner than in London.
--
Roland Perry

A generalisation, yes. As always there are exceptions and Nottingham has
always had fairly good bus services. That's not true of some other large
cities though. If I had to live without a car, of all the places I've lived
in, London would be the easiest place to do it (followed by Nottingham). I
agree about the cleanliness, although to be fair that's not just a public
transport issue.

Personally I've lived in Plymouth, York, Edinburgh, Newcastle and now
London and this is the only place I've been happy to not have a car so
I'm inclined to agree.
yes it could be better on oh so many ways.
yes it is already pretty good.


In London, the transport system doesn't always do what it says on the
tin.

In most other UK towns and cities, it doesn't say anything on the
tin. Try to find a route diagram on display in most places, for
example. You wouldn't know how well the buses were running, because
they are kept such a good secret.

On Jul 7, 7:18 am, MIG wrote:
In most other UK towns and cities, it doesn't say anything on the
tin. Try to find a route diagram on display in most places, for

Unfortunately true, though at least some tram systems have sprung up
in the last decade or so in various places though these are hardly a
replacement for a proper metro. Personally I think the french VAL
system is a nice compromise - its cheaper to build than a conventional
metro and has at a guess the same capacity as a tram system , but is
fully automated with a very frequent service and naturally doesn't get
stuck in traffic. Though this would have meant previous governments
investing in public transport which neither labour nor the tories ever
really wanted to do. Ironic how in france a cities such as Rennes and
Lille have underground VAL systems when there populations are under
half a mil, yet a city like birmingham has one cut price tram line.
Says it all really.

B2003

wrote
On Jul 7, 7:18 am, MIG wrote:
In most other UK towns and cities, it doesn't say anything on the
tin. Try to find a route diagram on display in most places, for

Unfortunately true, though at least some tram systems have sprung up
in the last decade or so in various places though these are hardly
[...]

Huh ? I had no difficulty in Guildford, Woking, Andover, Bournemouth,
Bath, York and Lincoln. In every case I acquired a timetable booklet,
usually free - max 50p, with excellent maps and diagrams. The biggest
problem was when this said the last bus was 20:08.

--
Mike D

On Jul 8, 12:05*am, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
wrote

On Jul 7, 7:18 am, MIG wrote:
In most other UK towns and cities, it doesn't say anything on the
tin. *Try to find a route diagram on display in most places, for
Unfortunately true, though at least some tram systems have sprung up
in the last decade or so in various places though these are hardly

[...]

Huh ? I had no difficulty in Guildford, Woking, Andover, Bournemouth,
Bath, York and Lincoln. In every case I acquired a timetable booklet,
usually free - max 50p, with excellent maps and diagrams. The biggest
problem was when this said the last bus was 20:08.

(The Google archive is screwed at the moment so I don't know where we
are but ...)

That pretty much illustrates the point. I can't remember when I last
needed to get any kind of timetable booklet in London because,
firstly, I know that any route is likely to run frequently till late,
if not all night and, secondly, there will be timetables and diagrams
at the bus stop.

MIG wrote
On Jul 8, 12:05*am, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Huh ? I had no difficulty in Guildford, Woking, Andover,
Bournemouth,
Bath, York and Lincoln. In every case I acquired a timetable
booklet,
usually free - max 50p, with excellent maps and diagrams. The
biggest
problem was when this said the last bus was 20:08.

That pretty much illustrates the point. I can't remember when I last
needed to get any kind of timetable booklet in London because,
firstly, I know that any route is likely to run frequently till late,
if not all night and, secondly, there will be timetables and diagrams
at the bus stop.

Well *I* needed and got a booklet in Kingston (did you know it has
*two* bus stations) and because there are both Tfl and Surrey buses the
diagrams were confusing, in some respects wrong and also chopped off
at unhelpful points.

I was responding to "what is says on the tin" --- "there is no tin".

--
Mike D