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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at
Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? I have occasionally been on a Circle or H&C service which has suddenly transformed itself into the other sort of service but have not previously seen this sort of presentation. http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...guage=en&type= stop&id=1000004 implies the Circle Line serves Aldgate East. Similar pages suggest the Circle goes as far as Barking. !! OTOH, it is not reported to go to Royal Oak - on the way to the Hammersmith sidings - or to Earls Court on the way to Wimbledon or Kensington Olympia. -- Walter Briscoe |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
Walter Briscoe wrote: At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of C-stock trains are berthed nightly. I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service. Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service! Chris |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:52:33 +0100, "Chris Read"
wrote: Walter Briscoe wrote: At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of C-stock trains are berthed nightly. I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service. Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service! Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching Liverpool Street/Tower Hill? |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
James Farrar wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:52:33 +0100, "Chris Read" wrote: Walter Briscoe wrote: At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching Liverpool Street/Tower Hill? Then people going to Notting Hill Gate would get off at Mile End unneccessarily... |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
John Rowland wrote:
James Farrar wrote: Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching Liverpool Street/Tower Hill? Then people going to Notting Hill Gate would get off at Mile End unneccessarily... They'd get there considerably quicker if they did. Colin McKenzie -- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:17:55 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? It is not unusual for a train to be taken from Circle Line service and out to Aldgate East or even Whitechapel and then sent on its way as if it had gone through Aldgate - the effect is to turn the train. The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably being turned. -- Phil Reynolds DON'T MAIL IN RESPONSE - I am unlikely to read it Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ Waltham 66, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
Phil Reynolds wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:17:55 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote: At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? It is not unusual for a train to be taken from Circle Line service and out to Aldgate East or even Whitechapel and then sent on its way as if it had gone through Aldgate - the effect is to turn the train. The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably being turned. Yeah. Have seen a C stock arrive at Mile End w/b on Circle Line duty early on a Sunday too. I just imagined it had started life at Plaistow/Barking. I also saw a C stock at Mile End one Saturday evening a few years back, but that was when Chelsea were playing West Ham. So it was some sort of special added for the football traffic I'd imagine. I didn't see the front of the train, but the indicator at the time said Wimbledon. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Jul 21, 6:59*pm, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
Phil Reynolds wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:17:55 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote: At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? It is not unusual for a train to be taken from Circle Line service and out to Aldgate East or even Whitechapel and then sent on its way as if it had gone through Aldgate - the effect is to turn the train. The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably being turned. Yeah. Have seen a C stock arrive at Mile End w/b on Circle Line duty early on a Sunday too. I just imagined it had started life at Plaistow/Barking. I also saw a C stock at Mile End one Saturday evening a few years back, but that was when Chelsea were playing West Ham. So it was some sort of special added for the football traffic I'd imagine. I didn't see the front of the train, but the indicator at the time said Wimbledon.- Years ago I saw a C stock train at Richmond with Edgware Road as the destination. I've never worked out why any such move would be necessary. Nowadays, the Barking sidings are mainly used for C stock, with the odd bit of D stock, but I think before the Jubilee extension and its effects on Neasden, there wasn't much C stock stabled at Barking, but some was stabled at Neasden. I wondered how they went into service from there, but I never saw it happening. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Jul 21, 8:24*pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article , (Phil Reynolds) wrote: The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably being turned. They only have the Wimbleware part of the District on their line diagrams. They used to oddly have Olympia, even though they didn't go there as far as I know. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote: On Jul 21, 8:24*pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Phil Reynolds) wrote: The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably being turned. They only have the Wimbleware part of the District on their line diagrams. They used to oddly have Olympia, even though they didn't go there as far as I know. I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:45:56 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote: I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time. ISTR that as well. What currently serves Olympia? Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:42 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
Nowadays, the Barking sidings are mainly used for C stock, with the odd bit of D stock, but I think before the Jubilee extension and its effects on Neasden, there wasn't much C stock stabled at Barking, but some was stabled at Neasden. I wondered how they went into service from there, but I never saw it happening. Via the Met and Baker St, surely? But did they go into service at Wembley Park (or Finchley Road, or the Met platforms at Baker Street), and if so were they advertised as Aldgate or Circle Line? |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:14:46 +0100, James Farrar wrote:
At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of C-stock trains are berthed nightly. I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service. Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service! Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching Liverpool Street/Tower Hill? This reminds me of the late evening (and weekend, during engineering works) D Stock services from Ealing Broadway and Richmond to High St Kensington. This is impossible on the current Tube Map, so should they be advertised as Earl's Court as far as Earl's Court? (The light-box indicator at Acton Town actually does this, as it doesn't have HSK.) I'm also reminded of westbound H&C services at (e.g.) Farringdon, which are advertised as "Hammersmith via Shepherd's Bush" (both on the dot matrix indicators and the fronts of the trains), despite the current SSL service pattern making Hammersmith via Notting Hill Gate rather unlikely. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
"asdf" wrote in message ... This reminds me of the late evening (and weekend, during engineering works) D Stock services from Ealing Broadway and Richmond to High St Kensington. This is impossible on the current Tube Map ... That's why the drivers have to carry a copy of the London Connections map, where fortunately the route remains available... :-) Paul S |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Jul 21, 9:19*pm, asdf wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:42 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Nowadays, the Barking sidings are mainly used for C stock, with the odd bit of D stock, but I think before the Jubilee extension and its effects on Neasden, there wasn't much C stock stabled at Barking, but some was stabled at Neasden. *I wondered how they went into service from there, but I never saw it happening. Via the Met and Baker St, surely? But did they go into service at Wembley Park (or Finchley Road, or the Met platforms at Baker Street), and if so were they advertised as Aldgate or Circle Line? Yeah, I didn't mean physically how, but I was wondering what they did. For example, would everything entering service from Neasden run clockwise, or did some reverse etc etc. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Jul 21, 9:22*pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article , (Neil Williams) wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:45:56 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time. ISTR that as well. *What currently serves Olympia? D Stock on shuttles from High St Ken. I didn't remember C stock going to Olympia. Was it a very short period that service ran for? It wouldn't explain Olympia being on the C stock diagrams in any case because as far as I know it was on there consistently (and oddly) from about 1979 till the last couple of years. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Jul 22, 12:36*am, MIG wrote:
On Jul 21, 9:22*pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Neil Williams) wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:45:56 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time. ISTR that as well. *What currently serves Olympia? D Stock on shuttles from High St Ken. I didn't remember C stock going to Olympia. *Was it a very short period that service ran for? It wouldn't explain Olympia being on the C stock diagrams in any case because as far as I know it was on there consistently (and oddly) from about 1979 till the last couple of years. I certainly travelled in C stock to Olympia on several occasions in the early 1990s. My records show the first time was May '93 and the last Jan '94. By June '94 (and also 1st Jan '94), it was back to D Stock. As mentioned above, the service was Edgware Road - Olympia. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
Paul Corfield wrote:
I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time. In the timetable I have, it was morning rush hour only. Olympia had a D-stock shuttle to HSK at other times. |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:28:39 +0100, asdf
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:14:46 +0100, James Farrar wrote: At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street". Where might it have been parked? What wanderings do Circle Line services do? Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of C-stock trains are berthed nightly. I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service. Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service! Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching Liverpool Street/Tower Hill? This reminds me of the late evening (and weekend, during engineering works) D Stock services from Ealing Broadway and Richmond to High St Kensington. This is impossible on the current Tube Map, so should they be advertised as Earl's Court as far as Earl's Court? Arguably, although both Ealing Bdy - Earl's Court and Earl's Court - HSK are District line, I think it's OK. The Circle line never goes to Barking! |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
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Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:24:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Phil Reynolds) wrote: The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably being turned. They only have the Wimbleware part of the District on their line diagrams. Yes, as that is normally the only part of the District Line they serve (technically C77s rather than C69s). -- Phil Reynolds DON'T MAIL IN RESPONSE - I am unlikely to read it Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ Waltham 66, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 |
Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East
On Jul 22, 7:59*pm, Phil Reynolds
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:24:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Phil Reynolds) wrote: The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was probably being turned. They only have the Wimbleware part of the District on their line diagrams. Yes, as that is normally the only part of the District Line they serve (technically C77s rather than C69s). C77s were introduced to allow C stock to cover that bit of the District, but there was never any separation of fleets. The first C stock on the District was C69, and the first C77 stock went into service on the Hammersmith. |
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