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378 move and GOB to be DC?
On 24 Sep, 13:42, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, MIG wrote: On Sep 24, 1:40*am, Mizter T wrote: On 23 Sep, 21:56, Rupert Candy wrote: On Sep 22, 5:58*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: 'Rail Manager online' reporting the first 378 to travel south tomorrow, and the possibility of Third Rail electrification of the GOB line... http://91.186.0.3/~keepingt/rm/164/RMAN_164.pdf There's a sizeable feature in this week's Railway Herald (www.railwayherald.com) about the 378s, with several pictures. Anyone else struck by the lack of handles at useful heights for that massive standing space in between the seats? You'd think they'd have learnt their lesson from the 376s. I'd seen this photo and had a similar thought about the lack of handles:http://www.upmain.fotopic.net/p53614368.html However I wonder if the bars which are suspended from the ceiling might actually be low enough for many people to use. If not perhaps they might have to add straps or handles to those bars - indeed, perhaps that's already part of the plan? After the way the 376s were delivered, I could believe anything. I entirely accept the need for standing space, but surely by now it's bleedin obvious that this can't be achieved by mixing seating and standing space in the same part of the carriage. No. It would be better to have areas purely for standing either side of the doors (slighly bigger than in 376s, without obstructions and with plenty to hold on to) and short areas of transverse seating in between. Longitudinal seating may appear to leave standing space according to calculations, but in real life, space full of seated people's legs and heads can't realistically be used for anything like as much standing as a dedicated standing area. Have you ever actually used the tube? Specifically, C stock, which has the most comparable layout? The space between the seats can be and is used for plenty of standing. Of course I have. The layout on the Jubilee, for example, is awful, with space for one and half people to stand between the end of the seats and the first obstruction. The C stock has so many doors that it wouldn't really be possible to have both standing and sitting space between them. Of course the space between can be used for standing, but not as efficiently as it might. A similar layout was tried and abandoned (thank gawd) on the DLR, and the current DLR arrangement is pretty damn good. The problem with 376s (really a reply to Mizter T, sorry) is that the seated area is too long and the standing area too small and cluttered to be taken proper advantage of. |
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